You can really have two kind of end game dynamics.
Method 1
-This is where you reach the level cap within a month or two and then spend your remaining time respecing, min-maxing and getting the very best gear. Then once in a while there is a new major expansion where you add a handful of levels. People spend a few weeks getting to the cap, they toss their old gear and start over on maxing everything. If you can upgrade your entire set of equipment it's basically a no-brainer. Everyone are going to do it.

Method 2.
- This is where few levels are added on more regular basis. While you will spend some time at the cap, and trying to min-max your stuff, you will still need to move on within too long when the next level is added. So making that full set of legenday armor is no longer going to be a no-brainer. Maybe you want to go for max power at the next cap instead.

Method 1 is really common in MMO's but it seems that here we are going more for method 2. Method 2 comes with harder decisions for the players and more uncertainty as things evolve constantly. Maybe we wont see that many V12 players with legenday sets because many will save them for V13 or V15. But the ones who did upgrade the set at V12 would have a nice advantage... for a while. Tough choices. Thats what ESO is all about!

netsike wrote: »

Moonraker wrote: »

Looks like another OP that doesn't read the available information before posting another angry reaction to content not even released.

Looks like another commenter that doesn't read the opening comment. I did not write it's in the 1.1 patch.

So you base your argument on that fact that in sometime at a future date they will increase VR to 13 or even 20 someday? Given that they already confirmed that they raise VR to 12 in 1.1? OK.

Moonraker wrote: »

netsike wrote: »

Moonraker wrote: »

Looks like another OP that doesn't read the available information before posting another angry reaction to content not even released.

Looks like another commenter that doesn't read the opening comment. I did not write it's in the 1.1 patch.

So you base your argument on that fact that in sometime at a future date they will increase VR to 13 or even 20 someday? Given that they already confirmed that they raise VR to 12 in 1.1? OK.

My basic problem is the leveling. Doesn't matter when they increase the level cap...When I started the game what I knew was VR10 is the maximum. I accepted it. But I don't agree the continuous lvl increases.

NOTHING HAS BEEN CONFIRMED HERE! THIS THREAD IS 100% FALSE!

That video was a demo video. Taken from NDA, in house ZeniMax testers, situationaly controled enviroment. They could be VR100000000000 for all I care. It doesn't make anything OFFICIAL.


Once again...

NOTHING HAS BEEN CONFIRMED HERE! THIS THREAD IS 100% FALSE!

TheGrandAlliance wrote: »

That video was a demo video. Taken from NDA, in house ZeniMax testers, situationaly controled enviroment. They could be VR100000000000 for all I care. It doesn't make anything OFFICIAL.

1. You think they stop at VR12? Why that number?
2. Before VR12 was announced, there was a video with a VR12 character in it. What happened? Around 2 weeks later they made it official.

TheGrandAlliance wrote: »

netsike wrote: »

1. You think they stop at VR12? Why that number?
2. Before VR12 was announced, there was a video with a VR12 character in it. What happened? Around 2 weeks later they made it official.

I am saying that NOTHING is OFFICIAL yet. They haven't even released 1.1 yet! It may be months before VR13 even exists!


Getting a whole forum worked up over something that isn't likey to even happen for months only servers to /grief the forums.

But it will happen and that's the point. I hope you understand now.

netsike wrote: »

But it will happen and that's the point. I hope you understand now.

Aha, so suddenly a MMO rising its level caps in the past, present, or future is a bad thing? I knew this was only ZOS' fault. Again.

ZOS, I still haven't forgiven you for making my T1 Giantstalker set obsolete back in '06. I loved that set, dammit!

KhajitFurTrader wrote: »

netsike wrote: »

But it will happen and that's the point. I hope you understand now.

Aha, so suddenly a MMO rising its level caps in the past, present, or future is a bad thing? I knew this was only ZOS' fault. Again.

ZOS, I still haven't forgiven you for making my T1 Giantstalker set obsolete back in '06. I loved that set, dammit!

Not a fair point. ESO has been out a month.

I dont see a problem with the pve aspect of VR levels as u get ur levels as u do pve content. U finish a map from one of the other allies, here u get ur reward, a new VR lv. Most likely with carglon thing would end up being the same, once u finish all carglon content ull end up VR 12 and with future content it will end up like this as well.

But the main problem is that there no alternatives to VR lvs other than pve. Maybe i woulndt mind much if vr 1-10 was still under my own alliance or if getting vr lv in pvp was more viable.

But i dont like the idea of being force to play the other allies content, specially when half the time im fighting my own alliance. Why should i do that? The DC got ur city? let me help them by killing u and ur friend here so that u cant get it back, thats what i should be doing, not acepting a quest that demands me to kill my fellow comrades.

Now that i think about it. It would have been more interesting to play on the other maps as and invading force taking over their land, helping my king rule over all tamariel than doing their campaign as if i just started a toon on that alliance

Evergreen wrote: »

KerinKor wrote: »

netsike wrote: »

Maybe it's just me, but I really don't like the future plans now.

At first sight I'm the same. Given VR11-VR12 content is group-only I fear this means ESO is to become a 1990s group-or die affair.

You bring up an interesting point and I hope ESO does not go down the same treadmill for elitists design that SW TOR had. Be geared and know fights Anyone who has played TOR knows this basic elitist requirement for the harder group content.

I really hope we don't just have an end game consisting of a typical treadmill progression of doing Daily and Weeklies properly geared and knowing fights for group content.

The difference to WoW and SWTOR is, that grouping in those games only works for premades.

You either have a guild or you get into a pug from the chat. In both cases you will have someone in charge who is "elite" so to speak. Someone who has a very special idea how you MUST be if you want to enter. This makes the whole group content so difficult to access at these games.

ESO works different. The Dev´s answered my question at the last "ask us all" and they said, that everyone can go to the new Adventure Zones alone. You will be able to quest just like you do now at VR´s. No premade grouping required, but yes it will be hard, very hard.

Since it is so hard in the open world there, you can either use the group tool to find players, or you just tag along with others - no invite button needed or "proving your weight" necessary.

The trials and dungeons will be for your group, but you will be able to use the group tool for those as well.

They have a video up which explains this very well, three players are from the friend list and the fourth is a random form the tool. This will make that whole VR content accessible for players who might not have the time for a premade group.

We will need to see how this works out, I honestly hope that people will accept and adjust to the difficulty there and that they use the tool to group with others. If it works out, then ZO will have fixed one of the biggest issue´s at WoW, SWTOR & co. the Elite club that denies "casuals" content.


Besides that,

the Dev´s said we will get content for solo gamers as well, spell crafting, new NPC factions like Dark Brotherhood and Thieves, Dyeing, Crafting overhaul ... They want variety and not a new raid every 5 months only. Yes they could also tell us that we will never see Panda´s and then they come, but I honestly believe them. Maybe in one year I will think different and be proven wrong, but right now I give them a chance to prove their word and so far they have not disappointed me at all. (just housing is missing --> minor whine"

I am not looking forward to the VR grind. Why?
Because Im thinking of making a new character, but I wont because VR grind diminishes the fun in that completely.

I HOPE they will add a way around the VR in the future when making a new character, either speed the exp up, or make something like DAoc (you could get your character instantly to lvl 20ish or something, if your main was max level, something like that).

I'm enjoying VR content. I disagree that the quests are bland etc as stated above, as they are exactly the same quests you would have received if you had played that Faction initially, but with higher difficulty.

I've been playing MMO's since UO beta, and I've never been into the 'endgame' repeat raid / daily quests ad nausium. I'm one of the more casual players, and will play till level cap. If I'm forced to repeat the same content repeatedly , then I quit and find another game (and never post complaints about it on the games forums!). No biggie.

To me, adding more VR levels will probably keep me subbing. Especially if more content gets added on a fairly quick schedule as ZO has already stated they would

Vil wrote: »

OkieDokie wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

I am level 33 and play minimum 12 hours a day. I have yet to have a single SECOND of boredome. I love this game.

That's exactly why you don't get it. You still have good quests to do. Quests at VR1 are, let's say, at least 80% poor plots that give you no desire to go on

This doesn't make much sense, because the VR1+ quests you do are in the other factions, and those quests should be the same quality as the pre vr game.

This is exactly what I thought. The quests are really well done. And uh, no, I dont need another wow-clone-raid-fest. If youre seeking that youd be welcome by a gazillion of copies of that game. But i guess youre playing ESO because its different and awesome :-)

Maybe they should just take away levels and ranks completely and let people enter the hardest dungeon in the game the moment they finish creating thier character.....