SilverBride wrote: »

TheMajority wrote: »

...you need to think of the broader cultural meaning of it in context to certain groups then you would understand why it's bad/insulting that they use it.

I never knew a puzzle piece had any meaning beyond just being a puzzle piece. I was against using it because it feels out of place.

Then I googled it and found out something I wasn't aware of. Now I feel even more strongly that it should be changed.

whitecrow wrote: »

I have seen it used for autism awareness but I don't see why that makes it offensive here.

TheMajority wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

TheMajority wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

TheMajority wrote: »

I HATE the puzzle symbol and wish they would not use something so modern looking and pointless to the game

Jigsaw puzzles are significantly less modern than robots.

Anyway I love the puzzle symbol. I'm so incredibly glad they added a way to quickly and easily see what I don't know in traders. Now if they could just let me filter for it, that would be great

whose even talking about robots?

it's a bad symbol with bad associations and should not be in the game

Dwemer constructs and Clockwork fabricants are robots. A puzzle piece is not too modern to the things that are already canon. They've been around for hundreds of years. I don't know what associations you're talking about but I'm sick of letting hateful groups takeover the most innocuous things.

Puzzles are just collectible toys. Puzzle pieces are parts to a greater whole. And to that extent, a puzzle is fitting.

you need to think of the broader cultural meaning of it in context to certain groups then you would understand why it's bad/insulting that they use it.

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

What is the purpose of this icon? To show that we haven't learned it yet?

I don't learn everything on every character. I have one main character for that. There are some provisioning recipes I learn on all of them but otherwise I don't need to be prompted to learn something on a character I never intend to learn it on.

At first I didn't like it, because I didn't understand what it was for. But once I realized what its purpose is, I like it!

In addition to being displayed in our characters' inventories, our account bank account, our storage containers, and our guild bank accounts, it also shows up in guild stores, which is very helpful for quickly spotting crafting motif pages that we haven't learned yet.

Edit: Typo

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

TheMajority wrote: »

Ragnarok0130 wrote: »

TheMajority wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

TheMajority wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

TheMajority wrote: »

I HATE the puzzle symbol and wish they would not use something so modern looking and pointless to the game

Jigsaw puzzles are significantly less modern than robots.

Anyway I love the puzzle symbol. I'm so incredibly glad they added a way to quickly and easily see what I don't know in traders. Now if they could just let me filter for it, that would be great

whose even talking about robots?

it's a bad symbol with bad associations and should not be in the game

Dwemer constructs and Clockwork fabricants are robots. A puzzle piece is not too modern to the things that are already canon. They've been around for hundreds of years. I don't know what associations you're talking about but I'm sick of letting hateful groups takeover the most innocuous things.

Puzzles are just collectible toys. Puzzle pieces are parts to a greater whole. And to that extent, a puzzle is fitting.

you need to think of the broader cultural meaning of it in context to certain groups then you would understand why it's bad/insulting that they use it.

Puzzle pieces as a cultural usage predates Austism awareness by decades. No you can't steal the benign meaning of a symbol and restrict its usage; ZOS did nothing wrong using this symbol and it is 100% fitting to use it in the context of ESO.

I didn't steal it organizations did and it's an offensive symbol that should not be used anywhere any more due to the nature of those organizations. I also don't personally have anything to do with it I am simply making ZOS aware of an offensive social issue,

Thor's hammer (an ancient pagan symbol) has been cooped by some people to mean things that are offensive. In the pagan community the repsonse has been to use it *more*. To push back and not the symbol be corrupted. If you stop using a symbol for the innocent things then it's only remaining use will be offensive. Something is lost then.

code65536 wrote: »

TheMajority wrote: »

I didn't steal it organizations did and it's an offensive symbol that should not be used anywhere any more due to the nature of those organizations. I also don't personally have anything to do with it I am simply making ZOS aware of an offensive social issue,

That is asinine.

There's been a recent campaign in the software development community to rename "whitelist" and "blacklist" to "allowlist" and "blocklist". The reason for this is because these kinds of uses of "white" and "black" were implying that light is desirable and that dark is not, and that notion can (and historically has) spilled into racial contexts.

But there is no campaign to remove "white" and "black" from our language entirely. For example, a widespread power outage is called a "blackout", because here, "black" just means "things are dark because all the lights are extinguished". It's a use of "black" that is appropriately descriptive, and so nobody is trying to find a new word to replace "blackout".

In other words, context matters. Using "black" to convey "undesirable" is different than using "black" to convey "actual darkness".

Similarly, puzzle pieces have long been used in software to mean something that can be part of something bigger. For example,

And those are perfectly appropriate uses of puzzle pieces because puzzle pieces are themselves literally part of something bigger. It's a use that is completely unrelated to any group of people. If the examples above were using puzzle pieces to refer to a group of people, then that would be different, but that's not the case here.

(Finally, I think it's very ironic that you are protesting the inappropriate association between puzzle pieces and autism by attacking the usage of the puzzle piece imagery for other, more appropriate things. The best way to ensure that it's not strongly associated with autism is to make sure that it is strongly associated with something else.)

TheMajority wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

TheMajority wrote: »

I didn't steal it organizations did and it's an offensive symbol that should not be used anywhere any more due to the nature of those organizations. I also don't personally have anything to do with it I am simply making ZOS aware of an offensive social issue,

That is asinine.

There's been a recent campaign in the software development community to rename "whitelist" and "blacklist" to "allowlist" and "blocklist". The reason for this is because these kinds of uses of "white" and "black" were implying that light is desirable and that dark is not, and that notion can (and historically has) spilled into racial contexts.

But there is no campaign to remove "white" and "black" from our language entirely. For example, a widespread power outage is called a "blackout", because here, "black" just means "things are dark because all the lights are extinguished". It's a use of "black" that is appropriately descriptive, and so nobody is trying to find a new word to replace "blackout".

In other words, context matters. Using "black" to convey "undesirable" is different than using "black" to convey "actual darkness".

Similarly, puzzle pieces have long been used in software to mean something that can be part of something bigger. For example,

And those are perfectly appropriate uses of puzzle pieces because puzzle pieces are themselves literally part of something bigger. It's a use that is completely unrelated to any group of people. If the examples above were using puzzle pieces to refer to a group of people, then that would be different, but that's not the case here.

(Finally, I think it's very ironic that you are protesting the inappropriate association between puzzle pieces and autism by attacking the usage of the puzzle piece imagery for other, more appropriate things. The best way to ensure that it's not strongly associated with autism is to make sure that it is strongly associated with something else.)

please don't use bad words when speaking in a civil manner. I am not reading this post because you began in a hostile manner.