Very stark contrast between ESO reddit and ESO forum
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spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »There's a mix of reasons. But, anyone on a game's forums tends to be a more invested user regardless of skill level. So, they are more likely to be more critical of the game since they tend to have more interaction with it.
AWA is a good example. Most users aren't making tons of characters with different paths and identities. They have 1 main character. They may have an alt or two but they don't get the same type of use. So, when they do something with that character, they like that it gets tracked for their main. This is why outside the forums, AWA was a success with plenty of praise. Whereas someone who does play with multiple alts that they have invested significant time in were more likely to be here and voice their displeasure at their playstyle being so negatively impacted.
The endgame community was annoyed by AwA and we aren't that small! But we are certainly smaller now than we were back then.
The endgame community is and has always been small.0 -
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✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »There's a mix of reasons. But, anyone on a game's forums tends to be a more invested user regardless of skill level. So, they are more likely to be more critical of the game since they tend to have more interaction with it.
AWA is a good example. Most users aren't making tons of characters with different paths and identities. They have 1 main character. They may have an alt or two but they don't get the same type of use. So, when they do something with that character, they like that it gets tracked for their main. This is why outside the forums, AWA was a success with plenty of praise. Whereas someone who does play with multiple alts that they have invested significant time in were more likely to be here and voice their displeasure at their playstyle being so negatively impacted.
The endgame community was annoyed by AwA and we aren't that small! But we are certainly smaller now than we were back then.
The endgame community is and has always been small.
There's 6500 people who are engaged enough with endgame to be posting their clears in endgame raiding discords just on PC NA.
Small is relative. When you factor in all platforms "small" is still at least 15000 players.0 -
FoJul✭✭✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »Its so interesting to me - 80% of the posts on the ESO subreddit are very positive uplifting whereas the opposite is true on the official forum; best example currently - vengeance campaign
On reddit all posts, how great the campaign is, how people are enjoying it - forum, opposite....very curious why this is; why the community is so different on the two platforms...
Forums = Vets
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✭Most of the game decisions are made for the audience that is on Reddit or replies to their Tweets.
Forum users tend to be bitter and complain about everything.
A good example is to compare the ‘mounts can swim now’ from yesterday’s stream. On Reddit and socials these changes are liked or loved or at least people are neutral about it. On the forum we get mostly negative reactions like ‘why are they not focusing on server performance/my specific bug/balance because I never asked for this’2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »There's a mix of reasons. But, anyone on a game's forums tends to be a more invested user regardless of skill level. So, they are more likely to be more critical of the game since they tend to have more interaction with it.
AWA is a good example. Most users aren't making tons of characters with different paths and identities. They have 1 main character. They may have an alt or two but they don't get the same type of use. So, when they do something with that character, they like that it gets tracked for their main. This is why outside the forums, AWA was a success with plenty of praise. Whereas someone who does play with multiple alts that they have invested significant time in were more likely to be here and voice their displeasure at their playstyle being so negatively impacted.
The endgame community was annoyed by AwA and we aren't that small! But we are certainly smaller now than we were back then.
The endgame community is and has always been small.
There's 6500 people who are engaged enough with endgame to be posting their clears in endgame raiding discords just on PC NA.
Small is relative. When you factor in all platforms "small" is still at least 15000 players.
There are 25 million accounts. Even if only 10% of those are active players, that's still less than 1% of the playerbase. 15k people is like 30 guilds across 3 platforms.Edited by spartaxoxo on July 2, 2025 5:17PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭licenturion wrote: »Most of the game decisions are made for the audience that is on Reddit or replies to their Tweets.
Forum users tend to be bitter and complain about everything.
A good example is to compare the ‘mounts can swim now’ from yesterday’s stream. On Reddit and socials these changes are liked or loved or at least people are neutral about it. On the forum we get mostly negative reactions like ‘why are they not focusing on server performance/my specific bug/balance because I never asked for this’
MOUNTS CAN SWIM NOW?!?!?! Yesssssss 🙌🙌🙌🙌1 -
sarahthes✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »There's a mix of reasons. But, anyone on a game's forums tends to be a more invested user regardless of skill level. So, they are more likely to be more critical of the game since they tend to have more interaction with it.
AWA is a good example. Most users aren't making tons of characters with different paths and identities. They have 1 main character. They may have an alt or two but they don't get the same type of use. So, when they do something with that character, they like that it gets tracked for their main. This is why outside the forums, AWA was a success with plenty of praise. Whereas someone who does play with multiple alts that they have invested significant time in were more likely to be here and voice their displeasure at their playstyle being so negatively impacted.
The endgame community was annoyed by AwA and we aren't that small! But we are certainly smaller now than we were back then.
The endgame community is and has always been small.
There's 6500 people who are engaged enough with endgame to be posting their clears in endgame raiding discords just on PC NA.
Small is relative. When you factor in all platforms "small" is still at least 15000 players.
There are 25 million accounts. Even if only 10% of those are active players, that's still less than 1% of the playerbase. 15k people is like 30 guilds across 3 platforms.
15K people is the currently active minimum number. 25 million includes the hundreds of thousands of bot accounts created when epic accounts were free, and every account created since the game was launched. Given we are sitting at just 15K concurrent on Steam as the daily high right now, it's still a respectable number.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »There's a mix of reasons. But, anyone on a game's forums tends to be a more invested user regardless of skill level. So, they are more likely to be more critical of the game since they tend to have more interaction with it.
AWA is a good example. Most users aren't making tons of characters with different paths and identities. They have 1 main character. They may have an alt or two but they don't get the same type of use. So, when they do something with that character, they like that it gets tracked for their main. This is why outside the forums, AWA was a success with plenty of praise. Whereas someone who does play with multiple alts that they have invested significant time in were more likely to be here and voice their displeasure at their playstyle being so negatively impacted.
The endgame community was annoyed by AwA and we aren't that small! But we are certainly smaller now than we were back then.
The endgame community is and has always been small.
There's 6500 people who are engaged enough with endgame to be posting their clears in endgame raiding discords just on PC NA.
Small is relative. When you factor in all platforms "small" is still at least 15000 players.
There are 25 million accounts. Even if only 10% of those are active players, that's still less than 1% of the playerbase. 15k people is like 30 guilds across 3 platforms.
15k is whole steam daily population, which is all info we have more or less.1 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »There's a mix of reasons. But, anyone on a game's forums tends to be a more invested user regardless of skill level. So, they are more likely to be more critical of the game since they tend to have more interaction with it.
AWA is a good example. Most users aren't making tons of characters with different paths and identities. They have 1 main character. They may have an alt or two but they don't get the same type of use. So, when they do something with that character, they like that it gets tracked for their main. This is why outside the forums, AWA was a success with plenty of praise. Whereas someone who does play with multiple alts that they have invested significant time in were more likely to be here and voice their displeasure at their playstyle being so negatively impacted.
The endgame community was annoyed by AwA and we aren't that small! But we are certainly smaller now than we were back then.
The endgame community is and has always been small.
There's 6500 people who are engaged enough with endgame to be posting their clears in endgame raiding discords just on PC NA.
Small is relative. When you factor in all platforms "small" is still at least 15000 players.
There are 25 million accounts. Even if only 10% of those are active players, that's still less than 1% of the playerbase. 15k people is like 30 guilds across 3 platforms.
15K people is the currently active minimum number. 25 million includes the hundreds of thousands of bot accounts created when epic accounts were free, and every account created since the game was launched. Given we are sitting at just 15K concurrent on Steam as the daily high right now, it's still a respectable number.
That's why I mentioned even if it was only 10% active players. Steam is used by very little of the playerbase. 15k is like 0.6 percent of 2.5 mil.Edited by spartaxoxo on July 2, 2025 5:38PM0 -
sarahthes✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »There's a mix of reasons. But, anyone on a game's forums tends to be a more invested user regardless of skill level. So, they are more likely to be more critical of the game since they tend to have more interaction with it.
AWA is a good example. Most users aren't making tons of characters with different paths and identities. They have 1 main character. They may have an alt or two but they don't get the same type of use. So, when they do something with that character, they like that it gets tracked for their main. This is why outside the forums, AWA was a success with plenty of praise. Whereas someone who does play with multiple alts that they have invested significant time in were more likely to be here and voice their displeasure at their playstyle being so negatively impacted.
The endgame community was annoyed by AwA and we aren't that small! But we are certainly smaller now than we were back then.
The endgame community is and has always been small.
There's 6500 people who are engaged enough with endgame to be posting their clears in endgame raiding discords just on PC NA.
Small is relative. When you factor in all platforms "small" is still at least 15000 players.
There are 25 million accounts. Even if only 10% of those are active players, that's still less than 1% of the playerbase. 15k people is like 30 guilds across 3 platforms.
15K people is the currently active minimum number. 25 million includes the hundreds of thousands of bot accounts created when epic accounts were free, and every account created since the game was launched. Given we are sitting at just 15K concurrent on Steam as the daily high right now, it's still a respectable number.
That's why I mentioned even if it was only 10% active players. Steam is used by very little of the playerbase. 15k is like 0.6 percent of 2.5 mil.
While daily logins are higher than 15K I am not sure there are 2.5 million active players right now.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »There's a mix of reasons. But, anyone on a game's forums tends to be a more invested user regardless of skill level. So, they are more likely to be more critical of the game since they tend to have more interaction with it.
AWA is a good example. Most users aren't making tons of characters with different paths and identities. They have 1 main character. They may have an alt or two but they don't get the same type of use. So, when they do something with that character, they like that it gets tracked for their main. This is why outside the forums, AWA was a success with plenty of praise. Whereas someone who does play with multiple alts that they have invested significant time in were more likely to be here and voice their displeasure at their playstyle being so negatively impacted.
The endgame community was annoyed by AwA and we aren't that small! But we are certainly smaller now than we were back then.
The endgame community is and has always been small.
There's 6500 people who are engaged enough with endgame to be posting their clears in endgame raiding discords just on PC NA.
Small is relative. When you factor in all platforms "small" is still at least 15000 players.
There are 25 million accounts. Even if only 10% of those are active players, that's still less than 1% of the playerbase. 15k people is like 30 guilds across 3 platforms.
15K people is the currently active minimum number. 25 million includes the hundreds of thousands of bot accounts created when epic accounts were free, and every account created since the game was launched. Given we are sitting at just 15K concurrent on Steam as the daily high right now, it's still a respectable number.
That's why I mentioned even if it was only 10% active players. Steam is used by very little of the playerbase. 15k is like 0.6 percent of 2.5 mil.
While daily logins are higher than 15K I am not sure there are 2.5 million active players right now.
I remember this streamer did his own estimate using some pretty sound tactics and came out to a higher number than that iirc. Google tells me about 2.8 mil? Idk0 -
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✭The Reddit of today has lost any semblance of what that place used to be. It is an echo chamber for opinions with a dash of sanctimonious moderation. It is rare for worthwile things to happen there. While this forum is not so fundamentally different, the feedback is at least consolidated in one place and easier to find for the Devs. Most people here are not trying to convince other players, but rather to make their voices be heard and to drum up some support for their ESO related issues.3 -
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✭✭The official forums here are primarily people complaining whereas ESO Reddit is mostly people just playing the game.
When people want to complain about something they want to do it where they think a dev might see their complaining.
Also a lot of posts on this forum are from a small group of the same people posting.6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I think it's because people in general are more likely to post if they're unhappy about something than if they're happy about something.
And if you're going to complain, would you rather complain in the official forum, where you know ZOS will be watching? Or in some third-party forum like reddit where you're mostly venting to other players?
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Thumbless_Bot✭✭✭✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »Its so interesting to me - 80% of the posts on the ESO subreddit are very positive uplifting whereas the opposite is true on the official forum; best example currently - vengeance campaign
On reddit all posts, how great the campaign is, how people are enjoying it - forum, opposite....very curious why this is; why the community is so different on the two platforms...
They may monitor reddit, but we know they do here.
We come here because we care and we love the game and we are trying to be constructive... usually this manifests itself as complaints.2 -
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✭This thread may be in trouble....
ZOS:
"After further review, we've decided to go ahead and close this thread. Being civil and constructive confuses us, leaving this thread with no good category suitable for the topic. If you are still being nice to everyone, try the troubleshooting steps linked below that a three year old would automatically try without being prompted. Thank you for understanding".
It's a joke ZOS. It's only a jokeEdited by Stridig on July 4, 2025 2:19AMEnemy to many
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That's assuming each player is in one guild. Since it can be 5 per player, that number can be up to 150 total guilds. Assuming all the guilds are full.spartaxoxo wrote: »
15k people is like 30 guilds across 3 platforms.spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »There's a mix of reasons. But, anyone on a game's forums tends to be a more invested user regardless of skill level. So, they are more likely to be more critical of the game since they tend to have more interaction with it.
AWA is a good example. Most users aren't making tons of characters with different paths and identities. They have 1 main character. They may have an alt or two but they don't get the same type of use. So, when they do something with that character, they like that it gets tracked for their main. This is why outside the forums, AWA was a success with plenty of praise. Whereas someone who does play with multiple alts that they have invested significant time in were more likely to be here and voice their displeasure at their playstyle being so negatively impacted.
The endgame community was annoyed by AwA and we aren't that small! But we are certainly smaller now than we were back then.
The endgame community is and has always been small.
There's 6500 people who are engaged enough with endgame to be posting their clears in endgame raiding discords just on PC NA.
Small is relative. When you factor in all platforms "small" is still at least 15000 players.
Not that that's likely to happen. I just got caught up in the math for some insane reason.Edited by DenverRalphy on July 4, 2025 2:39AM1 -
Estin✭✭✭✭✭I used to go to the reddit daily, but some time in 2023-2024, the posts gradually became less about game discussion and more "X zone/character appreciation post" or someone showing off their RP character. Any post asking a game question always ends up having comments recommending something very old like dolmens, alcast, xynode, oakensoul, etc. Honestly suspect that 80% of the posts there are bots recycling content for karma farming based off what rated the highest overall and now it got itself stuck in a loop. The forums, while much stricter, at least guarantees you're talking to someone real due to needing to own the game to make an account.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭A major functoin of this forum is trying to reach the devs. Though it feels futile at time, this is their forum, and they should be coming here for feedback. As such, it would tend to draw more complaints and suggestions. And people rarely use the suggestion box when they're happy--which is why there's a lot of pro-Vengeance comments on anti-Vengeance threads but not a lot of pro-Vengeance threads. The people who like it don't feel the need to create their own thread echoing what's already been said in a half-dozen other threads.
An unofficial forum would tend to draw fewer conversations specifically intended for the devs to read and hopefully take to heart. It would draw a more general type of post, a more casual and less pointed form of conversation.
Does it work this way in practical application? It rarely feels like we're heard here, but sometimes it does. While I strongly dislike Account Wide Achievements, AWA was suggested and strongly requested on this forum many times over the years. ZOS seemed to hear the people asking for that. Can't think of any reason anyone would have made a post requesting AWA on Reddit, though.
Always remember: People who hate the game don't make request or complaint posts. They just leave. Only people who enjoy the game care about it being better.Edited by MasterSpatula on July 4, 2025 3:06AM"A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle3