Veteran Rank 13 confirmed - OMG why? :(

netsike · May 2014

In the grouping tools video the characters are VR13... And I also read, that the max. is VR20. For me it destroys the game...I would like to reach max level and enjoy the endgame: get a nice gear, than gear sets, refine them to legendary, participate in dungeon or raid runs and when I'm bored of it, roll a new character. But like this:

- I'm just VR6 but I'm already bored of the endless questing
- I don't want to make a new char and try a new class and grind through everything again to reach V10
- It's pointless to craft a legendary armor and use 56 dreugh wax for example for refining .... and a lot of stuff what ppl already complained about.

What's the sense to raise the cap so often? Cause there is no real endgame content? I would stop the cap at V10 and release raids, dungeons with special sets, what ppl can collect together and I would start a token system, cause like this it's kinda pointless to repeat the veteran dungeons... I could write so much about a better endgame... Maybe it's just me, but I really don't like the future plans now.

KerinKor · May 2014

netsike wrote: »

Maybe it's just me, but I really don't like the future plans now.

At first sight I'm the same. Given VR11-VR12 content is group-only I fear this means ESO is to become a 1990s group-or die affair.

Dita · May 2014

I couldn't agree more ! Almost word for word, what I wrote not so long ago, sorry for a copy/paste.
I'm VR6 and bored out of my mind now, can't even get alts - because I already went trough the majority of the quest for alternative faction. Logging now only to feed a horse.
When started - easy 4/5 almost 5/5.
Bots, bugs, repetitiveness of the quests, very, very, very, very poor customer service, all this in sum - turned me away from the game.

Reevster · May 2014

Its a MMO not a single player game....there is no "Endgame"

Osi · May 2014

Dita wrote: »

very, very, very, very poor customer service, all this in sum - turned me away from the game.

Just honestly had to say I have had quite good customer service. I don't know where people get the horror stories from, and I think it's their phrasing of the problem that is the root cause, not the customer service reps...

But anyway, on the topic of the thread, yes VR is becoming repetitive. It might be less so once I get a good build established, but the constant dying doesn't help either. We will see how far they take VR ranks, but hopefully not too much further.

At least the difference in stats between a VR 1 and VR 10 piece of gear isn't that great? It's not something to ignore, but going from VR 1 to VR 10 and using a gold lvl 50/VR 1 piece of gear probably wouldn't be too detrimental. VR is more about strategy than a few points of DPS.

Nazon_Katts · May 2014

Yep, they should just add any content that's coming without increasing the VR cap. That way you could mix and match between solo, group, pve and pvp. With the current setup it's just a very linear solo grind, followed by a group grind to finally come to what should have been center of the game.

Amfijakerwb17_ESO · May 2014

Have they actually confirmed VR20? Maybe i just missed that.

Osi · May 2014

Amfijakerwb17_ESO wrote: »

Have they actually confirmed VR20? Maybe i just missed that.

Yes, I haven't heard anything about VR 20? Where did you (OP) see that? They said VR levels would be raised by 2 or 3 with Craglorn, that's all I heard.

KhajitFurTrader · May 2014

Forgive my asking, but... isn't the level cap still 50? Won't it stay that way until the first, real expansion?

With levels being vertical, I always thought of Veteran Ranks as an orthogonal, or horizontal way of improvement, not unlike Master Ranks in DAoC or Paragon Levels in D3. I'd like to hear your thoughts about this matter.

As for your idea of special dungeon sets, that's exactly the way WoW did it for the past 9 years: raid tiers with according sets. Each level cap had several tiers, before being replaced by the next level cap of a new expansion. In a way, raid tiers are horizontal improvement as well, there were times even when the possession of a tier set Tn was absolutely needed to acquire tier set Tn+1. Only disadvantage was that tier sets were only available through PvE raiding. But this requirement has been softened somewhat in recent times.

Shillen · May 2014

KhajitFurTrader wrote: »

With levels being vertical, I always thought of Veteran Ranks as an orthogonal, or horizontal way of improvement, not unlike Master Ranks in DAoC or Paragon Levels in D3. I'd like to hear your thoughts about this matter.

My thoughts are, it's just wrong. Yeah, you don't get skillpoints or attribute points for VR ranks but the gear progresses the same as any other level. VR10 gear is substantially better than VR1 gear. A VR10 against a VR1 is like a level 50 against a level 40. No contest.

edit: Add in the fact that someone at max level is much more willing to upgrade his gear fully and it becomes even more lopsided.

netsike · May 2014

"Pre-launch VR when up to VR L20 so I’m guessing as soon as they finish working out the issues with VR L15 – VR L20 they be adding that in as well." That's what I read...

Cogo · May 2014

Its called "expanding" the game. BECAUSE of the subscription and the AWESOME job Zenimax is doing, they are not sitting in sweden, sipping on a cola with a blond on their side. They are working to improve, enhance, add features and make the game grow.

I wonder, how many players here just have 1 goal? Highest level then quit? I do not understand that.

ESO is gaining players, either you want to understand that or not, so Zenimax is working to extend the game. And you complain?!?!

ShintaiDK · May 2014

VR20, that sounds good. I love it.

GossiTheDog · May 2014

Only VR12 is confirmed in the Craglorn videos. Craglorn content adds two more VRs.

Amfijakerwb17_ESO · May 2014

Cogo wrote: »

Its called "expanding" the game. BECAUSE of the subscription and the AWESOME job Zenimax is doing, they are not sitting in sweden, sipping on a cola with a blond on their side. They are working to improve, enhance, add features and make the game grow.

I wonder, how many players here just have 1 goal? Highest level then quit? I do not understand that.

ESO is gaining players, either you want to understand that or not, so Zenimax is working to extend the game. And you complain?!?!

You misunderstand why some think of this as a bad thing. I think we are all for expanding the game. The problem is that as of now they have a very weak end game. Odds are that Craglorn will not be the perfect package. When they for instance release Craglorn, the VR10 dungeons will be obsolete. It is harder to make a great endgame if you keep expanding the levels.

dps42514 · May 2014

How are people getting to these levels so quickly? it's taken me 3 weeks to get to level 27 and I play 15 hours a day.

dennissomb16_ESO · May 2014

Game will always (hopefully) continue to add and grow. New levels are part of that growth. It is how they do it that matters and it is up to the customer base to give constant feedback to help with those decisions. If they add Craglorn with V10-12 in June, and then added V13-20 in July, I am guessing there will be a rebellion LOL.

crowfl56 · May 2014

I feel very sorry for most of you folks that ran thru the game to be VR10 in a week or less. The game has endless entertainment for all. Relax, this game has addressed most all of the things that just made all other game's a bust.
CS has been awesome, content of the game awesome, graphic's awesome.
IMO, all you haters need slow down and enjoy.
Its the best MMO ever.

zeuseason · May 2014

We don't need more end game levels, we need more end game content. We all know in other games like WoW the game doesn't even start until you hit max level.

KhajitFurTrader · May 2014

Shillen wrote: »

My thoughts are, it's just wrong. Yeah, you don't get skillpoints or attribute points for VR ranks but the gear progresses the same as any other level. VR10 gear is substantially better than VR1 gear. A VR10 against a VR1 is like a level 50 against a level 40. No contest.

edit: Add in the fact that someone at max level is much more willing to upgrade his gear fully and it becomes even more lopsided.

My thanks for your assessment. Seems it's the "age-old" MMO design problem again, about the level difference being big enough to make PvE improvement feel meaningful, and OTOH the relative player "power level" being small enough to not let PvP interaction get totally one-sided, all of the time. I don't have a solution for this, either, but I'm curious about how they'll handle it.

dennissomb16_ESO · May 2014

zeuseason wrote: »

We don't need more end game levels, we need more end game content. We all know in other games like WoW the game doesn't even start until you hit max level.

That is just one perspective. For me the journey to max level is always far more fun then end game raiding/min maxing etc. The hard part for any developer is that balance as they add new content

teox76 · May 2014

KerinKor wrote: »

At first sight I'm the same. Given VR11-VR12 content is group-only I fear this means ESO is to become a 1990s group-or die affair.

Uh so now in a Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game the need to group with other people is demodé ?

danteafk · May 2014

This is their way in order to keep players playing this game since there is no real endgame progression.

Craglorn is not even a challenge, nor does it last long enough.

Cogo · May 2014

dps42514 wrote: »

How are people getting to these levels so quickly? it's taken me 3 weeks to get to level 27 and I play 15 hours a day.

Same here, and I started on 1 day in 5 days early access.

Do you have any addons? There are quite a few that helps you get the best EXP. I would NEVER use those....then it wasn't me who got highest lvl. Was the addons.

Even the addon which is very very good. The skyshard addon which shows you exectly where the skyshards are. I don't use that.
Why? Because EVERY time I find a skyshard, I get happy as hell! And there are a bunch good tips in the lorebook where they are located, so hunting for skyshards is one of the many things I do....maybe not give me much exp, but it gives me a HELL of a good playing experience.

Also, do you spend time talking to others, building a guild, exploring, tradeskillng or a bunch of other none combat things I can think of.

Maybe you help friends? (You only get exp and loot from mobs 5 levels lower then you....which is awesome!)

I am level 33 and play minimum 12 hours a day. I have yet to have a single SECOND of boredome. I love this game.

Oh, I spend quite some time sorting the guildbank, but its worth it because my guild actually works quite well regarding guildbank. Take out something, tradeskill, make stuff, put in. After someone been out adventuring, they put stuff in GB where someone else can use it.

I am HAPPY spending1-2 hours sorting things out when it works so well.

Also, those who reached highest level like in a week, most are not playing anymore. Also, those who are reaching it are "bored". They dont know it or admit it, but they missed more then half the game because of "grinding".

I rather have fun, do different things. Find one of thousands odd things around Tamriel which most are not in any "guide" yet. In short, most people (not all) who are highest level are using the "WoW" model. How to get the best exp as fast as possible. Sure....you can do that, if you are not interested in finding a quest like a dark elf asking to pay for your soul. I stumbled into this one while exploring and 500 gold at the time was much to me (still is), but since I am an Orc and proud and honor guides me, I would never sell my soul. So I didn't. I am still curious what would happend! Hehe.

KhajitFurTrader · May 2014

danteafk wrote: »

Craglorn is not even a challenge, nor does it last long enough.

How do you know? You're on the PTS?

Blackwidow · May 2014

crowfl56 wrote: »

I feel very sorry for most of you folks that ran thru the game to be VR10 in a week or less.

Translation: You guys don't play like me? You guy aren't playing ESO the right way!

The game has endless entertainment for all.

If you even tried to read the forums or /zone chat you know that is simply not true.

Relax, this game has addressed most all of the things that just made all other game's a bust.

Bad and limited GUI options
Bad banking system
Lack of guild options
No dueling
Can't reply in mail
Crappy guild store, lack of any real AH
No underwater swimming
Bug ridden game
No crime system. (might be in some day)
Difficult to play in groups.
Bad LFG system
Can't even fix some bugs that have been in the game for over a year
Bad communication with customers
Laggy combat

Just to list a few things ESO might not have fully addressed yet.

IMO, all you haters need slow down and enjoy.

People don't come here because they hate the game. They come here becuase they love the game and want it fixed.

Fanbois need to stop calling others haters. Haters just leave the game. We are here to try to salvage the game from the rubble.

Its the best MMO ever.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I have to say, you sure set that bar pretty low.

I will say there are aspects of the game that are nice, but overall they have a long way to go before they can be looked at as a great MMO, IMHO.

Axewaffle · May 2014

I wont lie, I am alittle confused about this aswell.. Most other MMos have the problem of not having enough endgame content for their playerbase a few weeks after launch, which results in a demand for more content. ESO seems to have prempted this and made more content... except over 75% of their playerbase hasnt even hit vet 10 yet... and they arent asking for more content, they are asking for fixes to their current content...

Gisgo · May 2014

Guys just look at Tamriel map: its like a puzzle and a few pieces are missing.
Now they will start releasing those pieces, and with each one of them the level cap will be raised by two levels.
The first piece is Craglorn.

Im not bothered by them raising the level cap, im bothered by having to do even more PVE to get there.

esoone · May 2014

dps42514 wrote: »

How are people getting to these levels so quickly? it's taken me 3 weeks to get to level 27 and I play 15 hours a day.

Thats prob cause you enjoy the game anno 2014 that isnt allowed anymore shame on you.

My advice exploit to v10 in 3 days or go find yourself another game to enjoy.

netsike · May 2014

I can't take this game as an ES game, so I play it as an MMO, but it's not a good MMO. For me it's not a goal, to always level up, cause it's not fun, not at all. Instead I would like to see some interesting raids and dungeons, what also gives rewards.

SaibotLiu · May 2014

The problem is not with game design. The problem is with people who absolutely need to be max level to get every advantage possible to lord over everyone else. Here's a thought. Maybe attempt PVP and some group content without your precious max level and full set of gold gear, whilst playing the most OP flavor of the month class no doubt. You know, actually play the game?

You're really gonna cry when they bring actual balance to this game..and maybe a class you're not playing gains a distinct advantage over you. Then you'll look at all those vet levels...oh what misery, you have to reroll. Your tears will be delicious.

Actually that's when you'll just quit, when you can't win. Then you'll sulk off to some forum somewhere and bash this game for "making it easy so all the noobs could win" or some such nonsense.

Wait and see, this will all happen before the first expansion.