Reimplement back bar passives for Oakensoul

virtus753 · June 8

barney2525 wrote: »

I'm not understanding this.

Why are passives being put on the back bar? Aren't passives 'always on' ?

I checked the description which says passive buff does not require being slotted on a bar.

what is the OP talking about here?

That's too general a statement to be correct. Not all passive buffs in game come from things that don't have to be slotted. Passive skills (the ones with circular icons) do not have to be slotted - in fact, they can't - but they are not the only passives in game. Some passive buffs are granted just for slotting an active skill. These buffs can also rightfully be called passives because you are not required to activate the associated skills to get them.

Originally Oakensoul was bugged so that any skill slotted on the back bar that gave its passive buff across both bars worked when it was slotted on the bar that Oakensoul was intended to make unusable. ZOS fixed that issue, which meant anything slotted on the back bar is now completely disabled when using Oakensoul. When Oakensoul is equipped, these back bar skills cannot be activated and do not provide their passive buffs even when they say they apply to both bars while being slotted only on one.

Erickson9610 · June 8

If back bar "while slotted on either bar" buffs are allowed to work with Oakensoul, please also allow them to work while in Werewolf form. Those were incredibly useful buffs that Werewolf couldn't otherwise use.

ADarklore · June 8

As someone who only runs Oakensoul builds... I disagree. Why should 'easy mode' one-bar builds be competitive with people having to frantically swap bars?!? It makes no sense. If you want easy mode, then you have make sacrifices.

Cooperharley · June 8

DenverRalphy wrote: »

There are already one bar builds using subclassing to hit 138k. You wanna buff on top of that?

Link the one bar oakensoul build hitting that please - I haven't seen that anywhere.

I believe you're referring to Hyperoxies' build where he uses the new mythic shoulder piece that buffs heavy attacks. He utilizes most skills on the backbar being buffs as that's been proven for a while to be stronger than oakensoul.

Pixiepumpkin · June 8

ADarklore wrote: »

As someone who only runs Oakensoul builds... I disagree. Why should 'easy mode' one-bar builds be competitive with people having to frantically swap bars?!? It makes no sense. If you want easy mode, then you have make sacrifices.

Did you even read any of the thread?

Pro-tip. Not everyone can run 2 bar builds either due to physical problems or latancy. High latancy and bar swapping is extremely unreliable and a massive DPS killer.

As I have stated a handful of times now, using Oakensoul does not mean someone is "lazy" and not willing to push buttons. Due to the games design of bar swapping, and due to the nature of the internet and the fact that not everyone the game is sold to can live next door to the server farm, reliable DPS is not achievable with two bars. One bar builds help eliminate this and Oakensoul is a solid way to use one bar to play the game.

RealLoveBVB · June 8

Asikoo wrote: »

Here’s why I beliIt’s just how I feel: “We're not allowed to have fun anymore.”

You are simply not allowed to have godmode in a multiplayer game. And players had just fun because they had said godmode.
Adding oakensoul ring in the first place was a huge mistake by ZOS, same as multiclassing.

HA Sorc had everything. 30k HP, high shield, high burst heal and all you had to do is holding the left mouse button to deal high damage. I can imagine you all had fun, but ask yourself if that was balanced and fair at all.

tomofhyrule · June 8

I think one of the issues here are Oakensoul players resolutely demanding to stick with Oakensoul as the only way to do a HA or one-bar build.

You all do know that you can make a HA build without Oakensoul and just still heavy attack, right? You can make a one-bar build without Oakensoul and just not swap bars, right? People did both of those kinds of builds before Oakensoul was a thing.

At this point, there are enough "while slotted on either bar" skills between all of the Subclass lines that you can make a build that has only passive "while slotted" on the backbar, and then you never switch to it and still get those buffs. That frees you to take a different mythic instead of Oakensoul too.

master_vanargand · June 8

Add Minor and Major Slayer to the Oakensoul.
(Increases damage done to Dungeon, Trial and Arena Monsters by 5% and 10%).
Buffs that don't affect PvP shouldn't be a problem.

kevkj · June 8

Oakensoul is a family heirloom, if it is unequipped or lost the world turns upside down.

Cooperharley · June 8

master_vanargand wrote: »

Add Minor and Major Slayer to the Oakensoul.
(Increases damage done to Dungeon, Trial and Arena Monsters by 5% and 10%).
Buffs that don't affect PvP shouldn't be a problem.

I agree this would be a great buff! Good thinking.

Oblivion_Protocol · June 9

DenverRalphy wrote: »

If accessibility is a consideration, without airing my personal situation I can confidently state that I am uniquely qualified to fully understand the need for accesibility options. And it really bothers me when people chime in with this line of reasoning willy nilly. There ARE other one bar builds that don't require Oakensoul. There's nothing magical about Oakensoul that makes it mandatory for one bar builds.

I’m not using this reasoning “willy nilly”. It’s the reasoning that many people have given when this argument came up in the past. Yes, there are one bar builds that don’t require Oakensoul. But those builds still require buff management, which means more buttons to press. I’m glad that your situation doesn’t limit your ability to press things rapidly, but not everyone has that experience with their own situation.

Furthermore, I genuinely fail to understand this weird ‘bootstrap’ argument people have against Oakensoul.

“I work harder than you, so I deserve better results.”

I can somewhat understand that from a PvP perspective. But when talking about PvE, it’s ridiculous.

Did the boss die?
Are the mechanics being done correctly?
Did everyone get their rewards?

If the answer to all of these is “yes”, then what’s the problem? It’s not like OP is saying they want Oakensoul to be the most powerful item in the game. They don’t want to parse 1 million dps. They just want to be able to keep up with competitive builds.

I see no problem with that when it doesn’t affect anything everyone else is doing. You can still have your “hyper mega ultra score-pusher 9000” two-bar build that parses ♾️ dps and get the big numbers you want, while others can play at their own pace and keep up. Not surpass you. Not embarrass you. Just keep up.

BretonMage · June 9

I don't use Oakensoul as a HA mythic. I use it for its flexibility and protection. It buffs HA without penalising LA. It gives you buffs without having to micromanage all your skills, which other one-bar/HA builds require. I appreciate it not because it's the "lazy" option, but because it's the reliable option. It always works. It is a fantastic set-and-forget piece, and it frees you up to focus on mechanics. It got me through vMA as well as a number of DLC dungeons solo.

I wouldn't mind Oakensoul builds being a little bit behind top builds, but with meta soaring the way it is with subclassing, I agree it should be buffed.

And so what if there are other one-bar or HA builds? It's still a popular mythic and Oakensoul players would appreciate being able to keep up.