I want my ESO back

TX12001rwb17_ESO · May 9

The problem with adding harder "toggable" content

Is they may go back and change achievments a lot of players are already struggling to get to then require them to be done in this "optional" Hardmode, it has happened before.

I am 100% sure the Worm Wizard and Beast Personalities did not require Hardmode before Stonethorn when you know Hardmode was actually added as a thing to the game.

Cazador · May 9

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

The problem with adding harder "toggable" content

Is they may go back and change achievments a lot of players are already struggling to get to then require them to be done in this "optional" Hardmode, it has happened before.

I am 100% sure the Worm Wizard and Beast Personalities did not require Hardmode before Stonethorn when you know Hardmode was actually added as a thing to the game.

So those hardmodes were already required at the time. They were just the equivalent of reading a scroll on the final boss which had been in the game for far longer. I think you might just be mistaking that for when they started adding hardmodes for non final bosses.

Grega · May 9

SilverBride wrote: »

ESO has become unrecognizable to me with the changes happening this year. It actually started last year with Gold Road, and scribing, and the long tedious World Bosses and Incursions. But things are moving much faster this year in a direction that I don't feel a part of any more.

It feels like some of the changes are in response to things that players have asked for throughout the years, only they aren't all being implemented the way we expected.

Players asked for spellcrafting and we got scribing. (Which basically is spellcrafting I guess but not exactly.)
Players asked for a furniture crafting bag and we got the furniture vault. (Which is a step in the right direction.)
Players asked for a class change token and we got subclassing. (I won't go into that here.)
Players asked for a difficulty option for overland and we are told they have a team working on that. (I'm afraid to see how that gets implemented.)

Then there are Seasons instead of Chapters and DLCs. I actually don't see much difference because the first content is coming in June just like new Chapters did. I don't know what will come after that, but it's costing more and taking more away from ESO+. I personally am not going to purchase it because I have no idea what the new zone will be about, or what it will have. Will there be questing? Or World Bosses? Or Delves? Or Public Dungeons? Or is it a completely new format, too?

I just don't feel like I am playing the same game any more and I want my ESO back.

It’s not really “your” ESO. If you read TOS, your account, and everything with it, including any money and time you sink in - is not yours and by default you do not own any of it.

You are paying, investing - and spending time to play the game, with “right to access”.

The “right to access”, can be revoked at any time, for any reason described in TOS, and any and all features from patch U01 to U46 and future, are not guaranteed, can be changed and or removed at any time. As a matter in fact, they don’t need to provide even prior notice if it is being shut down. They can, but don’t need to.

Furthermore, including feedback (which I assume is the reason for you or anyone posting here, ever) there is 0 control anyone has anywhere. Feedback itself, per TOS, also does not need to be acknowledged in any way or capacity.

These are terms of service you agreed to when installing this game.

Orbital78 · May 9

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Orbital78 wrote: »

We don't really get companions

Hopefully new Companions will be added in one of next year's Seasons!

They'll probably just be crown store items like the last.

SilverBride · May 9

Grega wrote: »

It’s not really “your” ESO. If you read TOS, your account, and everything with it, including any money and time you sink in - is not yours and by default you do not own any of it.

You are paying, investing - and spending time to play the game, with “right to access”.

The “right to access”, can be revoked at any time, for any reason described in TOS, and any and all features from patch U01 to U46 and future, are not guaranteed, can be changed and or removed at any time. As a matter in fact, they don’t need to provide even prior notice if it is being shut down. They can, but don’t need to.

Furthermore, including feedback (which I assume is the reason for you or anyone posting here, ever) there is 0 control anyone has anywhere. Feedback itself, per TOS, also does not need to be acknowledged in any way or capacity.

These are terms of service you agreed to when installing this game.

The "my" ESO I was referring to was ESO the way I have enjoyed it for the past several years. I realize I don't own it and I realize it can be changed at any time.

I also never asked for any response to my feedback, but feedback is a big feature of what the forums are for.

Nor did I asked that anything be changed, or not be changed. I was just expressing how I feel about the direction the game is taking.

Daoin · May 9

i guess when op is ready to pluck thier other toons dry of skill lines to suit one charachter while having the game rules changed under thier feet in typical player feedback fashion we'll know that too then. companies can call it what they want the customer buys the product plays by the rules its owned by the buyer. and just as it works one way they break any big selling features the company goes or should go bust. and right now they sold a product with parts from another maker that even if one person said no to its use should have been listened to and if all on forums are to be believed they are also selling a faulty product. simple question, is the broke and does it need constantly fixing and changing. sure everyone is made to resign the rules every so often but thats the plaster i guess, its like changing where the goalposts are then everyone signing blindly to agree and get on with it, and in this case completely removing the netting too and it being alright along with the ball seemingly taking on different forms from time to time

Warhawke_80 · May 9

Mark my words...

In two years time the game will either be shut down or it will return to the original content pace....

Currently...everyone I talk to is unhappy...I fail to understand why the devs insist on giving us things we never asked for.

Daoin · May 9

there comes a time even die hard football fans look outside the stadium and ask themselves, how fair would this game be if we could just keep moving the goalposts when we wanted to

Erickson9610 · May 10

Orbital78 wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Orbital78 wrote: »

We don't really get companions

Hopefully new Companions will be added in one of next year's Seasons!

They'll probably just be crown store items like the last.

Because they were added in the Crown Store one time? As opposed to being in the premium content three times?

It's like Skill Styles. They were introduced in premium content, then people were upset when new Skill Styles entered the Crown Store. But we still continued getting Skill Styles from premium content, too.

katanagirl1 · May 10

I know you and I have been on opposite sides of patch changes in the past. You saw no changes with U35, I did. It affected my characters greatly. You argued that it wasn’t a big deal.

Now it’s coming again and both you and I will feel the pain. Now you understand. It’s only an issue if it affects you.

No hard feelings (I mean it), just the way it is.

SilverBride · May 10

I started this thread to give my feedback on the direction I see the game going and how it is affecting me. Others may have a different perspective and they are welcome to share that here.

Yudo · May 10

El_Borracho wrote: »

Hybridization has resulted in exactly what ESO said would not happen: pure cosmetics. Subclassing will be the final nail. I'm not a lore guy or a strict rules guy, but the game is not what I started playing 10 years ago. Choosing a class was a conscious choice of weighing pros vs cons and what your play style was. Now, none of that will matter.

This is not to say that the game hasn't improved. It has in a lot of areas. The trials, the dungeons, and the gear has definitely improved the game. But that has fallen victim to power creep, mythics relegating monster sets to near uselessness, and one overarching meta. All the while PVP gets worse and worse and worse.

I know there are many who disagree. That's fine. But when a DK with 50k health streaks all over Cyrodiil while slapping you for 10K a hit, or a NB hits you with multiple arrow procs before streaking away, we all know we'll be hearing about how unfair it is on these threads

I was already laughing (and crying internally) about hybridization destroying identity.
For me who plays mage archetype it went from Altmer magicka characters in light armor with staves to orcs in medium armor wielding duel daggers and 2h sword casting stronger spells than ever. (no offence orcs)
Now these subclass abominations will have your class flavour and skills, and be many factors stronger. The blasphemy!

Mesite · May 10

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Orbital78 wrote: »

We don't really get companions

Hopefully new Companions will be added in one of next year's Seasons!

Hopefully free with the base game, for free. More people who just get the base game would be encouraged to stick around if they can get a companion straight away to accompany them on their travels. It can change the whole way of playing for new players who can't aren't sure what to do about joining guilds, or don't have discord, and it'll encourage new players to invest in the game.

Erickson9610 · May 10

Mesite wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Orbital78 wrote: »

We don't really get companions

Hopefully new Companions will be added in one of next year's Seasons!

Hopefully free with the base game, for free. More people who just get the base game would be encouraged to stick around if they can get a companion straight away to accompany them on their travels. It can change the whole way of playing for new players who can't aren't sure what to do about joining guilds, or don't have discord, and it'll encourage new players to invest in the game.

I've personally hoped we'd get a Companion in the Infinite Archive, since that place is base game and is built to support Companions. Maybe they would have Arcanist skills to fit the theme of the Infinite Archive, or perhaps they'd have mixed Class skill lines to appeal to a variety of players. Maybe even let the player swap this specific Companion's skill lines to better suit the player in the Infinite Archive.

Such a Companion could be added in a future Season as base game content. We don't really know what future Seasons will contain, so they may or may not have new zones — sometimes they'll contain new story content in existing zones.

Hotdog_23 · May 10

Phen0meenal wrote: »

I don't think the game should stagnate and do the exact same thing forever just because of one person. Things need to change sometimes.

ZOS has the data, they know what they're doing.

It's not the changing that's the problem. It's the less content, less value for ESO+ and charging more for it.

Stay safe

dazza1033 · May 10

When I started with the beta and before one Tamriel, my character died soloing a dark anchor. I specced up but still needed at least another player to help out. It was great fun!! Now we have an interactive story, like a sierra kings quest game, the only challenge is the dlc world bosses, dungeons and trials/arenas. We are playing for the story and collectables.

I find that ESO quests have no challenge for a levelled up player. Some of the mechanics are fun (which is why I keep playing) but ESO its turned a now a chill out game, just something to play when Im bored.

My view is bring back instances (where your quest changes the area your completed. Some of the building structures, NPCs and visuals used to change when completing a quest.), and increase the difficulty level (but increase the buffs on potions/food if the game is to hard in areas instead, of making it to easy).

I think ESO was the answer to multiplayer version players wanted after playing Elderscrolls:Oblivion, currently the mechanics say otherwise.

ankeor · May 10

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/623463/i-enjoy-eso/p1

Do you remember this post?
It seems you are slowly coming to the other side.

Rungar · May 10

i dont want eso back.. i want it to be the best it can be and worthy. Because it can.

colossalvoids · May 10

Rungar wrote: »

i dont want eso back.. i want it to be the best it can be and worthy. Because it can.

Hypothetically we can live peacefully, cure entire populations from decreases, prevent a lot of bad stuff and man can already have farms on the moon but here we are, slicing lands like a pie.

We observed the teams actions throughout the decade and can have educated guesses how it will turn out eventually. Every year we have another point on a graph, a lot of us remember too much to expect anything different. Feedback pieces about wanting something that's feels missing is quite important imo, the changes train already claimed a ton of people from our friend lists and didn't brought anything to the table in return and it's getting ridiculous at some point, some stuff might be in dire need of scaling back like homogenisation, loss of class identity and it's killing in next update. Those are unbaked, not though out and no one knows when being implemented fully even. It's been yeas already from the start of it and we're still under construction instead of moving on.

Rungar · May 10

colossalvoids wrote: »

Rungar wrote: »

i dont want eso back.. i want it to be the best it can be and worthy. Because it can.

Hypothetically we can live peacefully, cure entire populations from decreases, prevent a lot of bad stuff and man can already have farms on the moon but here we are, slicing lands like a pie.

We observed the teams actions throughout the decade and can have educated guesses how it will turn out eventually. Every year we have another point on a graph, a lot of us remember too much to expect anything different. Feedback pieces about wanting something that's feels missing is quite important imo, the changes train already claimed a ton of people from our friend lists and didn't brought anything to the table in return and it's getting ridiculous at some point, some stuff might be in dire need of scaling back like homogenisation, loss of class identity and it's killing in next update. Those are unbaked, not though out and no one knows when being implemented fully even. It's been yeas already from the start of it and we're still under construction instead of moving on.

i figure this game has a lower population and poor retainment not because they make unpopular changes, every mmo does that, but because they refuse to make certain base systems like dungeons and the combat system more player friendly. Now that the game is winding down they might see opportunity here to get some new blood to the game but they need to make fundamental changes to do that. Subclassing aka choose your own class is one of those needed fundamental changes. Nobody who is new will know what homogenization or class identity is.. not that they are real issues anyway.

crap dungeon design and the craptactlar combat design are real issues. Zos knows as well i do that higher end content is a poor performer in eso. Players quit as soon as they get there aka 6 weeks.

twisttop138 · May 10

Grega wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

ESO has become unrecognizable to me with the changes happening this year. It actually started last year with Gold Road, and scribing, and the long tedious World Bosses and Incursions. But things are moving much faster this year in a direction that I don't feel a part of any more.

It feels like some of the changes are in response to things that players have asked for throughout the years, only they aren't all being implemented the way we expected.

Players asked for spellcrafting and we got scribing. (Which basically is spellcrafting I guess but not exactly.)
Players asked for a furniture crafting bag and we got the furniture vault. (Which is a step in the right direction.)
Players asked for a class change token and we got subclassing. (I won't go into that here.)
Players asked for a difficulty option for overland and we are told they have a team working on that. (I'm afraid to see how that gets implemented.)

Then there are Seasons instead of Chapters and DLCs. I actually don't see much difference because the first content is coming in June just like new Chapters did. I don't know what will come after that, but it's costing more and taking more away from ESO+. I personally am not going to purchase it because I have no idea what the new zone will be about, or what it will have. Will there be questing? Or World Bosses? Or Delves? Or Public Dungeons? Or is it a completely new format, too?

I just don't feel like I am playing the same game any more and I want my ESO back.

It’s not really “your” ESO. If you read TOS, your account, and everything with it, including any money and time you sink in - is not yours and by default you do not own any of it.

You are paying, investing - and spending time to play the game, with “right to access”.

The “right to access”, can be revoked at any time, for any reason described in TOS, and any and all features from patch U01 to U46 and future, are not guaranteed, can be changed and or removed at any time. As a matter in fact, they don’t need to provide even prior notice if it is being shut down. They can, but don’t need to.

Furthermore, including feedback (which I assume is the reason for you or anyone posting here, ever) there is 0 control anyone has anywhere. Feedback itself, per TOS, also does not need to be acknowledged in any way or capacity.

These are terms of service you agreed to when installing this game.

I know that the op is famous for being denigrating to others who are unhappy with the games direction, almost gleefully so, but you're kind of being purposely obtuse here. It is quite obvious that this is not at all what they are talking about but rather their feelings about what ESO means to them. Something I would hope we can all understand and even if in disagreement, cheer on them starting a conversation about it and maybe learn from it. I hope they are able to find joy in the game again. I think their fear about the new content of the update is misplaced. While they may not want spoilers, they can rest assured that solstice will contain the usual quests, selves, public dungeons and world bosses that every new zone has contained since the beginning, craglorn gold coast hews bane and so on. There is also antiquity digs, new furniture plans to hunt, new homes etc. Hopefully they will give it a shot.

colossalvoids · May 10

Rungar wrote: »

colossalvoids wrote: »

Rungar wrote: »

i dont want eso back.. i want it to be the best it can be and worthy. Because it can.

Hypothetically we can live peacefully, cure entire populations from decreases, prevent a lot of bad stuff and man can already have farms on the moon but here we are, slicing lands like a pie.

We observed the teams actions throughout the decade and can have educated guesses how it will turn out eventually. Every year we have another point on a graph, a lot of us remember too much to expect anything different. Feedback pieces about wanting something that's feels missing is quite important imo, the changes train already claimed a ton of people from our friend lists and didn't brought anything to the table in return and it's getting ridiculous at some point, some stuff might be in dire need of scaling back like homogenisation, loss of class identity and it's killing in next update. Those are unbaked, not though out and no one knows when being implemented fully even. It's been yeas already from the start of it and we're still under construction instead of moving on.

i figure this game has a lower population and poor retainment not because they make unpopular changes, every mmo does that, but because they refuse to make certain base systems like dungeons and the combat system more player friendly. Now that the game is winding down they might see opportunity here to get some new blood to the game but they need to make fundamental changes to do that. Subclassing aka choose your own class is one of those needed fundamental changes. Nobody who is new will know what homogenization or class identity is.. not that they are real issues anyway.

crap dungeon design and the craptactlar combat design are real issues. Zos knows as well i do that higher end content is a poor performer in eso. Players quit as soon as they get there aka 6 weeks.

They definitely moving towards the direction you want them to go it seems to me. Instead of embracing what they've done throughout the years, the different populations of players with different tastes and preferences they're moving towards the great unified field where everyone is equalised and having one particular type of fun or they don't. Instead of veneration of the combat, PvP, group PvE and improvements to overland questing which were the staples of the game it's getting watered down and consolidated, one design to rule 'em all. It might be a search for a leveled playing field or an attempt to Skyrimify the game for a much broader appeal. The most accessible point would be point and click mobile game like Blades, wonder how long it would take to make ESO into that.

Elvenheart · May 10

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

Phen0meenal wrote: »

I don't think the game should stagnate and do the exact same thing forever just because of one person. Things need to change sometimes.

ZOS has the data, they know what they're doing.

It's not the changing that's the problem. It's the less content, less value for ESO+ and charging more for it.

Stay safe

Yesterday I went out to breakfast at my favorite breakfast place only to discover that the menu had been “restructured” and that my favorite three egg breakfast had now become a two egg breakfast and the price had gone up. Instead of leaving, I still ordered breakfast because it is still my favorite breakfast place, and I’m sure they had their reasons for the change.

SilverBride · May 10

ankeor wrote: »

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/623463/i-enjoy-eso/p1

Do you remember this post?
It seems you are slowly coming to the other side.

That thread is 3 years old and the game was very different from what is is now. That is the game I want ESO to be again.

Blood_again · May 10

SilverBride wrote: »

ESO has become unrecognizable to me with the changes happening this year. It actually started last year with Gold Road, and scribing, and the long tedious World Bosses and Incursions. But things are moving much faster this year in a direction that I don't feel a part of any more.

...

I just don't feel like I am playing the same game any more and I want my ESO back.

Congrats! After 40+ major patches you've noticed, that the 'game as a service' is not a static thing

11 years is a really long way.
Level 50 was the highest. Then veteran level 10 was. Today it is not.
vCoA HM was a real challenge and the Slimecraw or Bloodspawn were dps dummies. It is in the past.
DK tank and templar healer were canonic. Now it is far from the best.
Fully crafted endgame build... Far from endgame this days.
PvE, PvP, questing, crafting, PR - every aspect of the game was affected by updates many many times. Some of the aspects like housing even didn't exist before those updates.

I remember it all. These memories fill me with a slight nostalgy.
Meanwile I don't want any of those changes be rolled back, because past is past.

When the game is changing - adapt or leave.
The day I moan about "turn it back" I would say the same to myself.
Because this game is not my backyard project.

SilverBride · May 10

twisttop138 wrote: »

I know that the op is famous for being denigrating to others who are unhappy with the games direction, almost gleefully so, but you're kind of being purposely obtuse here. It is quite obvious that this is not at all what they are talking about but rather their feelings about what ESO means to them. Something I would hope we can all understand and even if in disagreement, cheer on them starting a conversation about it and maybe learn from it. I hope they are able to find joy in the game again. I think their fear about the new content of the update is misplaced. While they may not want spoilers, they can rest assured that solstice will contain the usual quests, selves, public dungeons and world bosses that every new zone has contained since the beginning, craglorn gold coast hews bane and so on. There is also antiquity digs, new furniture plans to hunt, new homes etc. Hopefully they will give it a shot.

It is natural for someone to defend something that they love when it is being criticized. I have defended ESO through the years because I do love this game, and I tried to point out the good things about it and keep a positive attitude.

I'm not fearful about the changes but rather concerned about how these changes are diminishing my desire to play, and I don't want to lose that.

Daoin · May 10

well, when developers are finished really breaking the classes just for the sake of it and just because they just can, and based on player feedback so it looks like this is good for everyone overall over on the harvester server (pts) and this rubbish goes live, eso still wont be going back to any glory days sorry to say. you either patchwork together a few classes you like now or play the old busted and harvested classes. choice is yours. lets admit it we all know this is a terrible update but the question is can you tolerate it and hope things get better ? worst case scenerio people just take a well deserved break from the game and find something better in the future or just work with what is at hand. i dont enjoy being blunt but this update kills the game so may aswell be. i would just like to add for people that want to step back quietly but still feel strong how ugly this update is but enjoy visiting the forums just add positive opinions of the update so atleast the update looks like its going to be good for other players or is going to turn into a great thing. i mean someone has to stick around now while others leave. i know ive been convinced to come into eso again after a few months away and not really wanting to and ended up just getting on with things again. so rather than worry about this update just take a step back and see for yourself how fast the logging in habit dissipates and if theres a dusty game in the library, it just dissapears. for example another game of mine which i have around 3500 hours playtime is getting a more realistic update soon and will be time consuming enough to forget eso for a bit and then theres any upcoming games that may need a try. eso is a very old game now and all games peter out eventually. and its plain to see the devs even with drastic measures like this update are just trying to keep the game alive for those who it can. wanting a roll back to the good days is a nice thing to say but a rather moot point. do you want to end up a pvp'er that continually returns to forum complaining about balance or a pve'er that simply cannot find a nice group to do content with ? and with nothing ever set in stone in eso theres a good chance those that may not be happy now will enjoy a future version of the game

SilverBride · May 10

Blood_again wrote: »

Congrats! After 40+ major patches you've noticed, that the 'game as a service' is not a static thing

A game has to evolve to stay successful. But evolve, not completely change.

These aren't the first changes I've not been happy with and spoke out about (AWA for one) but they are the first changes that make ESO not feel like ESO to me any more.

BenTSG · May 10

Desiato wrote: »

Here's what's in the new zone, Solstice:

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Solstice

That's the first half of the season. The next half won't be released until later in the year.

Is that for real? That is *tiny*. Really is less content this way. Oh well, saves me more money, especially since Subclassing is going to be free.

Rungar · May 10

SilverBride wrote: »

Blood_again wrote: »

Congrats! After 40+ major patches you've noticed, that the 'game as a service' is not a static thing

A game has to evolve to stay successful. But evolve, not completely change.

These aren't the first changes I've not been happy with and spoke out about (AWA for one) but they are the first changes that make ESO not feel like ESO to me any more.

you have to be realistic. Not everyone has endless time to play the game and for most players awa was the only possible way to collect achievements. There is so much stuff to do in eso its not reasonable to expect normal players to do it all on multiple characters.. even 1 is a task! The whole game should be account wide like cp is imo.

unfortunately for ESO there are a lot of player unfriendly systems. Hopefully theyll continue to look into that.