This might be the worst golden pursuit so far

PDarkBHood · May 7

First, thank you for the weather control item and the notable house - very much appreciated!!! I liked this Golden pursuits this time manly for the huge choice we had in selecting activities. One suggestion, the group/solo of the main dungeons (eg Complete Wayrest Sewers I, 3 times, etc) was way too much (time wise, and difficulty on some), so I did not do any of them. I generally solo the content, and doing these dungeons solo would take a bit more time (for me), but doing the same dungeon three times would take a long time, so it was a non-starter. Thanks for the sheer number of choice, that was appreciated and I was able to get the house, and especially the weather control item, solo.

liliub17_ESO · May 7

@ZOS_Kevin

Another note or observation:

It is my understanding that "kill 5 delve bosses in X map" is likely designed to mean "go do the delves in that zone and you'll have at least 3 of the 5 automatically taken care of for your character/account as you play". And that is great, up to a point. However, as is evidenced on this and every other thread ever regarding killing a certain foe in a zone, people instead camp a single location and then complain about the respawn time. This is obviously partly because so many veteran players have already cleared the delves (like I have on my main). But on younger accounts, the current Pursuits require a more leveled character who got to X map naturally or a 'ferry' to the zone. For example, my main NA accounts which have existed for several years can easily travel, but my EU aren't naturally able to get there (Malabal Tor or Deshaan - or, for that matter, Grahtwood (close) or Rivenspire or Eastmarch or Stormhaven) yet.

Likewise, the public dungeons. I have a young necro in Crow Wood - and it is highly challenging, not enjoyable.

I can hear some of you say to just load in a companion. Ok. Except, by nature of the addition of companions, they too are in maps not generally reached through regular gameplay until much later. (I'm remedying that, but I shouldn't have to do so.)

Please do not think I'm saying I want everything to be super easy or that it's all about me. But surely there's some way to balance things between what veteran players and newer players (characters/accounts) can achieve without ruining an activity for both.

Having said all that, at least this Pursuits doesn't necessitate ToT or killing NPCs for fun or the Archives or PvP for the end reward. ::goes back to working on the tasks::

Edit to add: I'm aware of the "preview house" shortcut and am using it to get places. My point is, shouldn't have to use the bypass cheats to complete tasks. Once? Sure. Twice? Maybe. But half dozen or more times? Lazy design.

spartaxoxo · May 7

This week pursuit/endeavors lead me to using home tours and I saw some incredible houses. My favorites were one that looked like the Flintstones completed with a dino blender using their tails (!!!) and a modern day urban apartment building with an elevator and a window that you could look out and see an actual neighborhood with people! There's so many cool designers out there. I highly recommend using home tours for this!

joergino · May 8

liliub17_ESO wrote: »

Edit to add: I'm aware of the "preview house" shortcut and am using it to get places. My point is, shouldn't have to use the bypass cheats to complete tasks. Once? Sure. Twice? Maybe. But half dozen or more times? Lazy design.

To my knowledge, the "preview house" shortcut only works the way you described when you travel there and actually buy the house. Unless you do that, the "leave home" dialogue takes you back to the location you were before you entered the house, i.e. you don't travel at all.

Previewing an unowned house is incredibly useful in the annoying situation which won't be fixed at all by the imminent change to the survey system: If you have multiple copies of a survey, the game nevertheless only allows you to get the yield of the first copy.

For other copies in your stack, you either have to travel away a certain distance and return for the next batch of nodes to load - or you log out and reload - or you travel to an unowned house, leave said house and find yourself back in the survey location, only with fresh nodes to harvest around you.

Al_Ex_Andre · May 8

It takes something like 5 hours to complete. It is okay enough IMO. Yes you do content you already did, but what else to do instead? Chain the dungeons for this one month lasting Golden Pursuit and you are set. You can do this with alts for free, and get new skill points for them.

Lugaldu · May 8

For me, these were the best Golden Pursuits ever, thanks ZOS! I'm still working on realizing my dream of owning my own city - Riften New Town - and I haven't had this much fun in a long time!

Elsonso · May 8

Al_Ex_Andre wrote: »

It takes something like 5 hours to complete. It is okay enough IMO. Yes you do content you already did, but what else to do instead? Chain the dungeons for this one month lasting Golden Pursuit and you are set. You can do this with alts for free, and get new skill points for them.

5 hours? Considering that some of this involves time related factors outside of the control of the player, I would imagine that 99.9% of players will take longer than that. A lot more people will need a lot more time.

Sadras · May 8

I absolutely love the house, and I really wanted it, so I did this pursuit (I rarely ever finish those normally because I don't enjoy to-do-lists and battle-pass-esque content).

The good: It's doable; I could even let my all-new character chip in here and there. And the reward is indeed awesome. So first of all, thanks for that. In the wake of the Oblivion remaster, this is exactly what I'm in the mood for, too, so that's excellent timing to that.

The bad in a broad subjective way: I really do not like the Golden Pursuit system, which is a matter of taste, but as others have mentioned too, I much preferred the way it was done with e.g. the Alpine Gallery back in the day, have a big generous community event going (with the strong assumption that we'll get the shiny thing anyway); that felt much better. We worked towards something together, and it wasn't so much individual busywork.

The bad, on the small scale: Like with many, my life is busy, and time is in short supply and a bit irregular, so if I wanted to be sure I get the house, I had to go for efficiency a bit. And some tasks are a miserable grind. Doable yes, but:
Camping in front of delve and public dungeon bosses in a crowd and running the same dungeon 3 times are those classic "What am I doing with my life?" moments.

For future events, I'd personally like a bit more freedom, like others have said, "do 3 dungeons", or e.g. one time Spindleclutch should be enough too; less mandatory tasks overall to get more flexibility; and definitely a faster respawn interval for those bosses during the event.
Of course one can theoretically move from delve to delve. But let's be real, how many players do that, and in the end you still need to get your kill in from between a waiting crowd.

Al_Ex_Andre · May 8

Elsonso wrote: »

Al_Ex_Andre wrote: »

It takes something like 5 hours to complete. It is okay enough IMO. Yes you do content you already did, but what else to do instead? Chain the dungeons for this one month lasting Golden Pursuit and you are set. You can do this with alts for free, and get new skill points for them.

5 hours? Considering that some of this involves time related factors outside of the control of the player, I would imagine that 99.9% of players will take longer than that. A lot more people will need a lot more time.

Yes but it took me ~5 hours^^

I chained the specific dungeons in LFG, and I did not even wait for doing the part with the login days ones, I jumped to kill boss in public dungeons, which didn't take very long. The queue in LFG was fast, probably because it was fresh , and there were lots of people queuing the day the Golden Pursuit was available.

So yes, 5 (maybie 6...) hours.

Also..when you grind effortless, listen to music on youtube or something. The grind is then faster, somewhat...

Cheers

AzuraFan · May 8

Sadras wrote: »

The bad, on the small scale: Like with many, my life is busy, and time is in short supply and a bit irregular, so if I wanted to be sure I get the house, I had to go for efficiency a bit. And some tasks are a miserable grind. Doable yes, but:
Camping in front of delve and public dungeon bosses in a crowd and running the same dungeon 3 times are those classic "What am I doing with my life?" moments.

This made me chuckle because I know exactly what you mean.

When things are really boring (waiting for bosses to spawn and having to do the same thing X times is boring), I wonder why I'm not doing something else that's fun or useful to me. I start thinking about my game backlog on Steam. It's often then that I think about reducing my time in ESO, or even leaving.

I also agree with you that I would much prefer community events for something like a house, over golden pursuits. Things like "Kill X bosses in Y PD" pit the community against each other because there's competition for the boss. That never feels good. I like it better when the community is working together. A much better feeling.

Elsonso · May 8

AzuraFan wrote: »

Sadras wrote: »

The bad, on the small scale: Like with many, my life is busy, and time is in short supply and a bit irregular, so if I wanted to be sure I get the house, I had to go for efficiency a bit. And some tasks are a miserable grind. Doable yes, but:
Camping in front of delve and public dungeon bosses in a crowd and running the same dungeon 3 times are those classic "What am I doing with my life?" moments.

This made me chuckle because I know exactly what you mean. When things are really boring (waiting for bosses to spawn and having to do the same thing X times is boring), I wonder why I'm not doing something else that's fun or useful to me. I start thinking about my game backlog on Steam. It's often then that I think about reducing my time in ESO, or even leaving.

I also agree with you that I would much prefer community events for something like a house, over golden pursuits. Things like "Kill X bosses in Y PD" pit the community against each other because there's competition for the boss. That never feels good. I like it better when the community is working together. A much better feeling.

On XBox and PC, I was never in a position where I felt I was competing with players for Delve and PD bosses this time. Yes, there were cases where I was 10 seconds late getting to the boss because the group had already killed it, but I don't see this as competition as much as the way the dungeons are designed.

An amusing side note... it is obvious who does delves and who does not. There is an Ogrim boss in Malabal Tor that has to be released by interacting with three Daedric thing-a-ma-bobs. Then he can be killed. Before that, he just squirms on the ground. The others there just stood around waiting, probably wondering if the game was glitched or bugged because the boss could not be hit. I explained it four times, left after my five. Some of those people are probably still waiting for someone to come along and release the boss.

ob1ken0bi · May 8

Not sure why people are complaining. This was easy. I did one dungeon 3x (FG1) and the rest were easy. I had to do one dungeon only because my toons are all maxed on skill levels so the 5/10 skill levels didnt apply to them.
And you get a giant home.

Complaining about free stuff is wild. Especially when you have 26 days to do 25 of the 38. Do one a day. It's not that hard to get the free house.

SeaGtGruff · May 8

BretonMage wrote: »

not a fan of running old dungeons several times over

It looks like they chose easy base-game dungeons, no "version 2" dungeons and no DLC dungeons. They might even have some analytics showing that those particular dungeons are the ones that get run the most for the daily Undaunted pledges. When I'm checking the day's pledges, I usually just skip any "version 2" dungeons, although there are a couple of them that I can solo without too much trouble.

karthrag_inak · May 8

Khajiit did 1 bg along with the other pursuits, and as a former 3 team bg player and lover....that one bg was the most disgusting, unfun, depressing experience this ine has had in eso since he started in beta.

There wss infnite armorbreak and snare even after frequent 1shot kills. Khajiit did not hurt anyone but died instantly

It was the most unfun and upsetting experience khajuit has.had in a game in 40 years of gaming

So thanks Zos. One more thing that this one used to love that he will never do again

Khajiit feels old.

AzuraFan · May 8

Elsonso wrote: »

An amusing side note... it is obvious who does delves and who does not. There is an Ogrim boss in Malabal Tor that has to be released by interacting with three Daedric thing-a-ma-bobs. Then he can be killed. Before that, he just squirms on the ground. The others there just stood around waiting, probably wondering if the game was glitched or bugged because the boss could not be hit. I explained it four times, left after my five. Some of those people are probably still waiting for someone to come along and release the boss.

Funny you should say that, because that's the delve I chose for Malabel Tor. It was quiet - nobody around. I killed the three hoarvars (I think that's what they were), then wondered where the boss was. It took me a while to clue in that I needed to destroy the daedric things, but I finally did. I've completed all the delves in the game, so I do delve. But it had probably been several years since I'd gone into that one.

Syldras · May 8

Elsonso wrote: »

An amusing side note... it is obvious who does delves and who does not. There is an Ogrim boss in Malabal Tor that has to be released by interacting with three Daedric thing-a-ma-bobs. Then he can be killed. Before that, he just squirms on the ground. The others there just stood around waiting, probably wondering if the game was glitched or bugged because the boss could not be hit. I explained it four times, left after my five. Some of those people are probably still waiting for someone to come along and release the boss.

And in some cases it's lazyness. If there's that weekly endeavor about "killing x group event open dungeon bosses", you'll always see groups of people camping at the one group event in the Forgotten Crypts in Deshaan where you have to kill kwama for the bosses to spawn. Some will not move a finger to kill the kwama but just wait for the bosses. Can't be having no clue about how it functions either as they usually stay for 7 or 8 rounds (or how many you need to complete the endeavour), so it's impossible they don't understand at some point how it works.

Carcamongus · May 8

I can see why this golden pursuit might be bad if the person isn't much into housing, since the rewards would hardly be worth the increased effort. To be honest, I was a bit grumpy about the tasks involved but that changed when I visited the house. Holy bovine, that place is breathtaking (though my one big complaint is the lack of water).

In the future, though, I'd suggest adding a bit more flexibility to the tasks: for example, instead of requiring completing a dungeon 3 times, group the dungeons into a pursuit, as in "complete FG1, DC1 or BC1 3 times". That way it won't be too repetitive. The same can be done with the public dungeon pursuits, so it would be like "defeat 10 public dungeon bosses in Stonefalls and Deshaan". I should note, though, that I found the requirement of killing 10 bosses a bit too much, which is why I skipped those pursuits.

JemadarofCaerSalis · May 9

Monte_Cristo wrote: »

What I did for the delve bosses was play another game on a portable device while waiting. Finished my Pokemon Blue game while doing these pursuits (was in Victory Road when I started).
Park yourself by the boss, play the other game while keeping an eye on this game, spam an area attack when the boss spawns.

This is exactly what I do.

I also do this during events when WBs give out boxes. Park myself at a WB, play a game on my phone, attack when WB spawns, collect box, repeat.

SpiritofESO · May 9

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

For those complaining: You only need to do 25 tasks to unlock the last reward. The house.
Which means there are 13 tasks you can ignore entirely.

It's a free house + A weather control item

Yes, I agree completely.

I accomplished the list to get the house fairly easily without much trouble. Plenty of things to choose from. And the house is truly magnificent! I love Kynareth's Icon of Storm Control which is a nice companion piece to the Sacred Hourglass of Alkosh which changes the time of day.

Aggrovious · May 9

Elsonso wrote: »

Aggrovious wrote: »

Having to wait 5 minutes for a boss to spawn is fun to you guys? Its easy to knock out? Yeah if I have a couple of hours sure, but wow is this boring just waiting for a boss to spawn. Terrible game design

Tbe game is designed for players to be spending a few hours doing these pursuits. I doubt that the intent is to stand around twiddling thumbs while a boss spawns. Of course, you can. If you want.

There are enough delves in a zone to just go do all the zones, which yes, may take longer but it more interesting. Doing each public dungeon twice will get the 10 for that.

Well you HAVE to if you're doing the delve bosses. If you go to another delve, the boss will be dead.

Aggrovious · May 9

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Aggrovious wrote: »

Having to wait 5 minutes for a boss to spawn is fun to you guys? Its easy to knock out? Yeah if I have a couple of hours sure, but wow is this boring just waiting for a boss to spawn. Terrible game design

You don't have to. You can go off and do whatever you want between kills. Heck, they gave everyone nearly a month to complete the GP. So do it at your leisure.

What I want is the reward. To get the reward I have to wait for the boss to respawn. It took me a couple of days to complete 25 golden pursuits, but I did get the house. So I did it at my own leisure, but I did not have fun doing it.

Barovia87 · May 9

I agree that the Delve and Public Dungeon Boss objectives were poorly thought through. Kill 10 Public Dungeon Bosses in a single base game zone...? Where there's only a single Public Dungeon...? With, like, 6 total bosses...? And everyone on the server doing their Golden Pursuit objective will ALL be there camping those 6 spots, huh...? Same basic problem in the Delves. Just... braindead design.

That said: I found this Golden Pursuit otherwise pretty painless. I didn't rush. I took a few days, went at off hours if I anticipated competition, and only did a couple things a day. They gave me more than enough time to be lazy and antisocial, and the rewards are spectacular. I have no serious complaints, and while I can see room for tweaks and improvement, I hope they continue to reward and structure Golden Pursuits similarly in the future. I greatly enjoyed the ability to cherry-pick from a longer list of choices, for example.

scrappy1342 · May 9

Syldras wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

An amusing side note... it is obvious who does delves and who does not. There is an Ogrim boss in Malabal Tor that has to be released by interacting with three Daedric thing-a-ma-bobs. Then he can be killed. Before that, he just squirms on the ground. The others there just stood around waiting, probably wondering if the game was glitched or bugged because the boss could not be hit. I explained it four times, left after my five. Some of those people are probably still waiting for someone to come along and release the boss.

And in some cases it's lazyness. If there's that weekly endeavor about "killing x group event open dungeon bosses", you'll always see groups of people camping at the one group event in the Forgotten Crypts in Deshaan where you have to kill kwama for the bosses to spawn. Some will not move a finger to kill the kwama but just wait for the bosses. Can't be having no clue about how it functions either as they usually stay for 7 or 8 rounds (or how many you need to complete the endeavour), so it's impossible they don't understand at some point how it works.

do ppl not know about the alik'r public dungeon group event? you spawn it yourself with the puzzle, so there's no big long wait. you can respawn it within 30-60 secs of killing the mobs. it's the best for when they ask for group events for the weekly. you don't even have to hit anything to get credit as long as you are in the vicinity. a couple times while i've been doing it on mine and my husband's account, i was not quick enough to get a hit in going from the desktop to the laptop. still got credit on both accounts.

Syldras · May 9

scrappy1342 wrote: »

do ppl not know about the alik'r public dungeon group event? you spawn it yourself with the puzzle, so there's no big long wait. you can respawn it within 30-60 secs of killing the mobs. it's the best for when they ask for group events for the weekly. you don't even have to hit anything to get credit as long as you are in the vicinity. a couple times while i've been doing it on mine and my husband's account, i was not quick enough to get a hit in going from the desktop to the laptop. still got credit on both accounts.

Dont't those pressure plates cause problems if different people keep pushing them uncoordinatedly? I can remember there had been problems in the past, so if lots of people were present, you couldn't really do anything because there was always someone who got on a wrong plate and then you'd have to start all over.

Juju_beans · May 9

I didn't challenge myself to complet all the objectives in one day.
Every day I do a little something towards it.

scrappy1342 · May 9

Syldras wrote: »

scrappy1342 wrote: »

do ppl not know about the alik'r public dungeon group event? you spawn it yourself with the puzzle, so there's no big long wait. you can respawn it within 30-60 secs of killing the mobs. it's the best for when they ask for group events for the weekly. you don't even have to hit anything to get credit as long as you are in the vicinity. a couple times while i've been doing it on mine and my husband's account, i was not quick enough to get a hit in going from the desktop to the laptop. still got credit on both accounts.

Dont't those pressure plates cause problems if different people keep pushing them uncoordinatedly? I can remember there had been problems in the past, so if lots of people were present, you couldn't really do anything because there was always someone who got on a wrong plate and then you'd have to start all over.

only if someone is purposely trolling or doesn't know what's going on. saying the order in /say usually gets them to stop. i've only run into this a handful of times and only had one person who absolutely would not stop. most ppl are there to get credit for it also. i'm fairly certain the one person who would not stop either did not see chat or could not understand it

ImmortalCX · May 9

I didn't have much of a strategy, yet was able to complete it in about 8 hours the first day.

I wasted a couple hours doing dungeons that I ultimately didn't need, under the theory that instant queue pops would be better than queueing for specific subset.

The only strategy was realizing that players camping bosses in delves were doing ones closest to the wayshrines, so I relocated to delves farthest from wayshrine and had the boss to myself.

Its a great house BUT all the vegitation furnishing makes it have less capacity than a medium house. You either have to own ESP+ or gut the house of many detail items.

UrQuan · May 9

Aashiana wrote: »

Lastly for skill lines don't forget that crafting has skill lines and there will surely be one of your chars that doesn't have them all leveled up yet.

Ummm... I *might* have all 20 characters on all 3 accounts (60 total) with fully leveled crafting skills for doing writs...

But I was still able to easily do the level up skill lines endeavor easily by finally getting around to leveling the Psijic skill line on a couple of characters I'd been meaning to get around to leveling it on, because:

Aashiana wrote: »

Some of the fun of these endeavors for me is figuring out how to do them in the most efficient manner or to further some other goal I have, even if at first it doesn't look like a fun task...

This. Because I do this too. I check the endeavors to see which can be done the quickest and easiest, and I also look for ones that I can do while progressing some goal I have, like leveling legerdemain on a particular character, or grabbing skill points (from skyshards, quests, public dungeon group bosses, etc.), or working towards an achievement, and so on.

tsaescishoeshiner · May 9

It's pretty daunting, but I wish they would remove the "delve boss" objectives. Sitting a delve boss for 5 minutes waiting for respawns, up to 15 times, is not fun gameplay. You can't "explore" new delves to get boss kills, because they're down when you get there. Many of the delve bosses have trigger points that respawn the boss when a new player arrives, but they get killed before you get there.

If it was "Kill X Enemies in Delves" or "Use an Ultimate in Delves X Times", it would be a lot more manageable.

The public dungeon boss objectives are better, because there are multiple and you can at least go on a loop, but they sort of have the same problem, just to a lesser extent.

LalMirchi · May 9

Vrienda wrote: »

What are these pursuits? Do the same specific dungeon 3 times? Kill 30 random enemies in these super specific zones? I thought this was a housing themed golden pursuit what the hell is this?

Sometimes it's good to go back to the root of the discussion. I'm personally against what I call the "Shock_Jock" approach to forum topics. Vitriol & hyperbole are not conducive to constructive threads.

Doing 25 tasks of a grand total of 38 varied objectives is very generous, it's almost as if the vast majority of player will be able to complete this as the event rather long. What's not to like?

What I'm curious about is when, if ever, was this Golden Pursuit designated "a housing themed golden pursuit" as OP stated. Perhaps I missed that announcement?

This was a very enjoyable event and I'm now wasting an inordinate amount of time on decorating that magnificent final reward... (Finally got up onto the towers and placed some braziers there so they feel more alive), The Grand Gallery of Tamriel is very Grand indeed!