Agree.

First step would be making blightbones and ghost into just a visuals, same thing that they did with mad tinkerer summon.

Second, reduce amount of corpse generated as well as increse potency of corpse consumers to match slower generation?
Or look for a ways to make corpses not an npc but its own object instead thus removing a limits for them?
Or overhaul necros class unique resourse into something else?
Souls/ black soul gems would be a good thematic alternative, maybe lich crystals, like the ones from caluurions proc.

this may have to do with it being overpowered in the future with the next patch

BananaBender wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

francesinhalover wrote: »

That way pve can stop being ruined by pvp.

This limit was changed because the game started freaking out in certain PvE fights with lots of corpses, preventing Blastbones from spawning.

This bug is still happening on PTS btw, so if that really was the cause they didn't fix it properly. Or likely it wasn't the cause to begin with.

Good to know that corpse consumers really are being killed for no reason

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

francesinhalover wrote: »

That way pve can stop being ruined by pvp.

Are you really commenting this on a post of an example of PvE ruining PvP? This limit was changed because the game started freaking out in certain PvE fights with lots of corpses, preventing Blastbones from spawning.

Changes affect both, and it always goes both ways. Sometimes PvE affects PvP and sometimes PvP affects PvE.

And despite what happens with Vengeance, Battlegrounds and IC will still be regular skills as far as we know, so this stuff is still important.

I would love for them to balance PvP and PvE completely separately by removing PvE sourced sets from PvP and vice versa (with crafted sets available to both), and same with skill lines (undaunted and psijic would be PvE only, assault/support would be PvP only, world and guild skills would be shared).

Then maybe y'all could get the balance and gameplay you deserve and the two sides would stop fighting as though PvP vs PvE balance were two sides of the 3 banners war (werewolves are the third faction in this fight).

Deimus wrote: »

francesinhalover wrote: »

hopefully pvp and pve will be separate this year.
vengeance systems gives me hope.

That way pve can stop being ruined by pvp.

I'd like for ZOS to use systems like Battle Spirit to balance PvP without touching PvE and vise versa, but this is a purely PvP issue. In PvE you can have 10 pets which lets you easily use every Necro corpse consumer to its full potential except the class mastery, but with all the npcs you'll kill in PvE that's not really an issue.

In PvP you will literally be unable to play a Necromancer and use your multi corpse consumers at full power, even if you drop all the class pets (Mender, Minion, and BB) you still won't be able to use Bitter Harvest at full power.

necro_the_crafter wrote: »

Agree.

First step would be making blightbones and ghost into just a visuals, same thing that they did with mad tinkerer summon.

Second, reduce amount of corpse generated as well as increse potency of corpse consumers to match slower generation?
Or look for a ways to make corpses not an npc but its own object instead thus removing a limits for them?
Or overhaul necros class unique resourse into something else?
Souls/ black soul gems would be a good thematic alternative, maybe lich crystals, like the ones from caluurions proc.

They could use the lich crystal visual addition to the corpse system of absorbing souls from corpses to use later. Maybe when an unused corspe expires within 28 meters of the player they passively collect them to a max of 4 and can use them as a corpse in combat. This could be PvP only as it could work as a solution to the very restrictive pet cap affecting the corpse mechanic and be a solution to the tethers issue with LoS and high mobility in PvP letting the Necromancer use a lich crystal to attach Shocking Siphon or Restoring Tether to themselves.


Also taps mic @ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler is this thing even on?

The devs have never commented on necromancer changes outside of one reddit ask us anything post mentioning giving necro major brutality/sorcery. Don't know why people still ping them on the forums when it's a wasted effort. I tried for years and especially when they were reworking stalking blastbones.

necro_the_crafter wrote: »

Agree.

First step would be making blightbones and ghost into just a visuals, same thing that they did with mad tinkerer summon.

Second, reduce amount of corpse generated as well as increse potency of corpse consumers to match slower generation?
Or look for a ways to make corpses not an npc but its own object instead thus removing a limits for them?
Or overhaul necros class unique resourse into something else?
Souls/ black soul gems would be a good thematic alternative, maybe lich crystals, like the ones from caluurions proc.

I love the ability to kill blastbones before it nukes me tho. My offense is my defense.

IncultaWolf wrote: »

Deimus wrote: »

francesinhalover wrote: »

hopefully pvp and pve will be separate this year.
vengeance systems gives me hope.

That way pve can stop being ruined by pvp.

I'd like for ZOS to use systems like Battle Spirit to balance PvP without touching PvE and vise versa, but this is a purely PvP issue. In PvE you can have 10 pets which lets you easily use every Necro corpse consumer to its full potential except the class mastery, but with all the npcs you'll kill in PvE that's not really an issue.

In PvP you will literally be unable to play a Necromancer and use your multi corpse consumers at full power, even if you drop all the class pets (Mender, Minion, and BB) you still won't be able to use Bitter Harvest at full power.

necro_the_crafter wrote: »

Agree.

First step would be making blightbones and ghost into just a visuals, same thing that they did with mad tinkerer summon.

Second, reduce amount of corpse generated as well as increse potency of corpse consumers to match slower generation?
Or look for a ways to make corpses not an npc but its own object instead thus removing a limits for them?
Or overhaul necros class unique resourse into something else?
Souls/ black soul gems would be a good thematic alternative, maybe lich crystals, like the ones from caluurions proc.

They could use the lich crystal visual addition to the corpse system of absorbing souls from corpses to use later. Maybe when an unused corspe expires within 28 meters of the player they passively collect them to a max of 4 and can use them as a corpse in combat. This could be PvP only as it could work as a solution to the very restrictive pet cap affecting the corpse mechanic and be a solution to the tethers issue with LoS and high mobility in PvP letting the Necromancer use a lich crystal to attach Shocking Siphon or Restoring Tether to themselves.


Also taps mic @ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler is this thing even on?

The devs have never commented on necromancer changes outside of one reddit ask us anything post mentioning giving necro major brutality/sorcery. Don't know why people still ping them on the forums when it's a wasted effort. I tried for years and especially when they were reworking stalking blastbones.

It's a shame that they don't and that's a big reason for a lot of the problems they've finally decided to tackle exist. Wouldn't have gotten nearly as bad and saved them a lot more money if they communicated their intentions and listened to player feedback before they wasting time developing bad or unpolished skills, designs, or systems.

They said they want to be better with communication this year so a change implemented to improve performance unexpectedly killing multiple skills and unique resource system of one of your paid DLC classes is the perfect time to chime in and say "Our Bad we're going to find a solution maybe a temporary one or just roll this change back until we find a way that doesn't break this class." Everyone's happy, the threads and posts stop, they build trust with their customer base.

It's easy for a company to say they want be better at communication and only chime in on positive or low stake things that don't really have larger impact, but if there is integrity behind that claim then this is something they should address as it impacts a lot more than their reasons for this change implies their goal was. Especially since it involves the same class they had an extremely controversial change to the previous year and decided to bury their heads in the sand instead of rolling up their sleeves, acknowledging their customers, and taking action.

tl;dr Pinging them puts the ball in their court, lets us know if their actions will match their words, and removes the ability to claim they were unaware.

Gilvoth wrote: »

this may have to do with it being overpowered in the future with the next patch

Ok maybe you're talking about pve, but it's still very far behind arcanist

Edit : Wait maybe he's joking. Please don't send me to r/woosh, please

Necro is the worst at fullfilling its themes out of all the classes in the game.