Please Lock Subclassing

Horace-Wimp · April 24

Please lock subclassing behind ESO+ so that ONLY players with an active ESO+ have access to subclassing. And give subclassers a third ability bar.

Do NOT let subclassing be a 'FREE' addition to the base game.

Thank you.

Ragnarok0130 · April 24

Horace-Wimp wrote: »

Please lock subclassing behind ESO+ so that ONLY players with an active ESO+ have access to subclassing. And give subclassers a third ability bar.

Do NOT let subclassing be a 'FREE' addition to the base game.

Thank you.

I’m an ESO+ subscriber so your plan wouldn’t affect me but what problem would that truly solve? I’m sure such a move would attract rightful accusations of subclassing being “pay to win” given the large amount of power creep from multiclassing. I’m not white knighting subclassing as I think it will be bad for the game if launched in its current form but I don’t see anything but downsides to your course of action.

licenturion · April 24

Good joke. Made me chuckle.

DenverRalphy · April 24

So turn ESO into Pay2win?

amig186 · April 24

Jokes aside, can you imagine switching between 3 skillbars in combat? I can't.

robpr · April 24

amig186 wrote: »

Jokes aside, can you imagine switching between 3 skillbars in combat? I can't.

People did back when Overload was giving 3rd bar, so they will learn how to manage it now too.

Cooperharley · April 24

DenverRalphy wrote: »

So turn ESO into Pay2win?

I don’t agree with OP, but if you’re viewing P2W like this, then arcanist being the best dd currently inherently makes ESO p2W since it’s not a free class. People use this term so loosely it’s crazy lol

OP this absolutely solves nothing

Soarora · April 24

Cooperharley wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

So turn ESO into Pay2win?

I don’t agree with OP, but if you’re viewing P2W like this, then arcanist being the best dd currently inherently makes ESO p2W since it’s not a free class. People use this term so loosely it’s crazy lol

OP this absolutely solves nothing

Don’t need to be an arcanist to win. Dungeons don’t care and trials have supports that aren’t arcanist (including support DPS).

The real pay to win though is housing

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Cooperharley · April 24

Soarora wrote: »

Cooperharley wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

So turn ESO into Pay2win?

I don’t agree with OP, but if you’re viewing P2W like this, then arcanist being the best dd currently inherently makes ESO p2W since it’s not a free class. People use this term so loosely it’s crazy lol

OP this absolutely solves nothing

Don’t need to be an arcanist to win. Dungeons don’t care and trials have supports that aren’t arcanist (including support DPS).

The real pay to win though is housing .

I know that, I’m just saying people that say whole features added to games with expansions being considered pay to win is silly because every live service game with updates would be pay to win then lol

DenverRalphy · April 24

Cooperharley wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

So turn ESO into Pay2win?

I don’t agree with OP, but if you’re viewing P2W like this, then arcanist being the best dd currently inherently makes ESO p2W since it’s not a free class. People use this term so loosely it’s crazy lol

OP this absolutely solves nothing

Arcanist isn't P2W because it's not a superior version of a base Arcanist. It's Pay 2 Play Different, but not Pay 2 Win.

In this case, the P2W aspect comes into play when any class becomes inferior to a paid/subscriber version of the same class.

Danikat · April 24

Why? What problem would this solve?

Subclassing is the new chapter feature, so it's not free now, everyone who wants it would have to pay for it.

Oh, wait. Now I get it: if it was part of ESO+ then subscribers would get it for 'free' because it's part of something they already pay for, whereas now they have to pay extra for it.

If you want it for free you probably just need to wait a year, until the new chapter pass is rebranded as DLC and included in ESO+.

DenverRalphy · April 24

Danikat wrote: »

Why? What problem would this solve?

Subclassing is the new chapter feature, so it's not free now, everyone who wants it would have to pay for it.

Oh, wait. Now I get it: if it was part of ESO+ then subscribers would get it for 'free' because it's part of something they already pay for, whereas now they have to pay extra for it.

If you want it for free you probably just need to wait a year, until the new chapter pass is rebranded as DLC and included in ESO+.

Incorrect. Subclassing is a base game feature that everyone will get with U46. Regardless whether they paid for the content pack or not. The OP is calling for a base game feature to be locked behind an ESO+ subscription.

Scaletho · April 24

MORE micro-transaction? MORE????

This is a joke, isn't it?

wolfie1.0. · April 24

Horace-Wimp wrote: »

Please lock subclassing behind ESO+ so that ONLY players with an active ESO+ have access to subclassing. And give subclassers a third ability bar.

Do NOT let subclassing be a 'FREE' addition to the base game.

Thank you.

Nah, need yo go harder. Lock subclasses behind annual eso plus renewal, requiring 3600 cp, emperor achievements, and 10,000+ hours of gameplay.

Subclassing should be for the elite of the elite only.

Also give them 10 skill bars....

huntgod_ESO · April 24

So just to be clear, what happens if you let your sub expire, do you get locked out of your characters?

Gotta be one of the dumber things I've seen posted...

valenwood_vegan · April 24

OP forgot to include the "why", which is kinda the important part. Anyway, they already announced that it's a base game feature, so good luck with that I guess?

Mesite · April 24

I wouldn't mind if sub-classing was ESO+ as it would make my game less confusing. If sub-classing is base game then companions should be base game too. I
like the idea of bringing a third bar back. I didn't play enough to enjoy it when it was available.

spartaxoxo · April 24

Cooperharley wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

So turn ESO into Pay2win?

I don’t agree with OP, but if you’re viewing P2W like this, then arcanist being the best dd currently inherently makes ESO p2W since it’s not a free class. People use this term so loosely it’s crazy lol

OP this absolutely solves nothing

ESO+ getting an exclusive gameplay feature for continuous subscription than dlc packs.

Hypertionb14_ESO · April 24

DenverRalphy wrote: »

So turn ESO into Pay2win?

this.

kevkj · April 24

I fully agree with this suggestion, ZOS clearly are looking for ways to boost their ESO+ subscriber count as evidenced by their recent *discount* of ESO+.

* Discount applied only in marketing material and not at checkout.

Horace-Wimp · April 24

Ragnarok0130 wrote: »

...subclassing being “pay to win”...

I do not see how subclassing is a 'win' in any way. Maybe I don't fully understand it yet. But from what I have read and seen on YouTube I see it negatively impacting existing class abilities as players find combinations that make them OP which ALWAYS leads to the devs 'tweaking' abilities to bring them in balance with everyone elses' play style.

Locking subclassing behind ESO+ would incentivize players to subscribe, yes but it would also limit the number of players using this new unnecessary feature and if they don't pay then their subclassing is simply turned off and they go back to playing normal like we do now.

I fully expect that I will give subclass a shot when it goes live and maybe then I might change my tune when I have actual experience with it. And even then I know that I will not HAVE to subclass if I don't want to. It's a choice.

But with how players are now with ESO and their "nothing is ever good enough" attitude and how so many of them treat this Massively MULTI-PLAYER Online Role Playing Game like it's their own personal SOLO game I do not see subclassing helping with the MULTI-PLAYER aspect of ESO.

Bottom line for me is I agree with everyone calling for subclassing NOT to be brought to the live game in it's current form. I know it's coming but not now nor June 2025. /shrug

JustLovely · April 24

I wonder what effect subclassing is going to have on Cyrodiil performance and balance. I don't see how this ends well for PvP mains.

old_scopie1945 · April 25

Not an idea that I agree with at all, there is too much monitorization as it is. All I want is that subclassing is balance with pure classes somehow. The last thing I want is for pure classes to become irrelevant. This has got my Ice Mage lass very worried.

Jestir · April 25

I'm extremely surprised that subclassing is going to be a base game feature

Even if it isn't what I wanted I'm glad for it to be coming the way it is, free

LalMirchi · April 25

Horace-Wimp wrote: »

Please lock subclassing behind ESO+ so that ONLY players with an active ESO+ have access to subclassing. And give subclassers a third ability bar.

Do NOT let subclassing be a 'FREE' addition to the base game.

Thank you.

Absolutely no thank you.

peacenote · April 25

I think this idea would divide the playerbase too much, given how dramatically it is going to change combat.

Soarora · April 25

Horace-Wimp wrote: »

Ragnarok0130 wrote: »

...subclassing being “pay to win”...

I do not see how subclassing is a 'win' in any way. Maybe I don't fully understand it yet. But from what I have read and seen on YouTube I see it negatively impacting existing class abilities as players find combinations that make them OP which ALWAYS leads to the devs 'tweaking' abilities to bring them in balance with everyone elses' play style.

Locking subclassing behind ESO+ would incentivize players to subscribe, yes but it would also limit the number of players using this new unnecessary feature and if they don't pay then their subclassing is simply turned off and they go back to playing normal like we do now.

I fully expect that I will give subclass a shot when it goes live and maybe then I might change my tune when I have actual experience with it. And even then I know that I will not HAVE to subclass if I don't want to. It's a choice.

But with how players are now with ESO and their "nothing is ever good enough" attitude and how so many of them treat this Massively MULTI-PLAYER Online Role Playing Game like it's their own personal SOLO game I do not see subclassing helping with the MULTI-PLAYER aspect of ESO.

Bottom line for me is I agree with everyone calling for subclassing NOT to be brought to the live game in it's current form. I know it's coming but not now nor June 2025. /shrug

A lot more people have ESO+ than I think you’re realizing.

Pevey · April 25

It would be amazing if we found out subclassing was one of those experiments they were talking about, and in about 6 months they lock in a vault somewhere.

Juju_beans · April 25

JustLovely wrote: »

I wonder what effect subclassing is going to have on Cyrodiil performance and balance. I don't see how this ends well for PvP mains.

Someone will come up with BIS skill lines for the ultimate damage and everyone will copy it.

Horace-Wimp · April 26

Pevey wrote: »

It would be amazing if we found out subclassing was one of those experiments they were talking about, and in about 6 months they lock in a vault somewhere.

Works for me. In fact, I FULLY support this action!

Thorncrypt · April 26

They would do that if they want the game's player population to dwindle. Sub-classes massively boost DPS. needing an eso+ subscription to be competitive in raiding or pvp would cause many players to leave the game behind and give it negative reviews.