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BOTS and gameplay

  • Catflinger
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    GreySix wrote: »
    Then like i've said. Remove the need for so much gold. No repair bills, all valuable stuff bind to account, low cost horses and respecs. GW2 respec costs are minor without the sky falling in.

    At the moment any cure, no matter how drastic is better than the disease.

    Good point: Other than kit repair and mounts, what the heck costs so much gold in this particular MMO?

    Bank space.

    But the cost of horses alone is ridiculously high. Lowering this (And I mean lowering it substantially, cutting it in half, at the least) would IMO take a good bit of pressure off.



  • Syzmicke
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    I get the feeling Bots = Money to Zenimax, less Bot's = Less money to Zenimax.

    May as well just have made the game for all the bots because normal players are going to be out numbered prety soon.


  • steveb16_ESO46
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    Bank and storage space - good point. all these pointless gold sinks contribute nothing to the game other than create a demand for gold-seller services.
    Edited by steveb16_ESO46 on May 14, 2014 4:19PM
  • IronMaiden_burnout
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    Sylv3r wrote: »
    Maybe a way is to accord only one char during a certain time, the time to let devs find a way to resolve this. I will not like it too much cause i have 4 char i like to play with but if its for a time and to be sure that TESO will take this seriously with force i will accept it.

    If some have solution to propose, constructive one, i know dev are looking forums and may be can find one that can sit with their strategy, post it :)

    This problem is killing the reputation of TESO at a fast rate :smile:
    http://www.pcgamer.com/2014/04/23/elder-scrolls-online-game-address/

    I have search what kind of people is doing this kind of grinding .. took me 5 mn to find it :smile:
    Here is :
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IebefCcdpgU

    Some said it is from china or russian ? Nope .. whois answer where this site is etablished :smile:
    m78ciibgfjn3.png

    That answer some question ?




    You do know *** use VPN's right? they are in Taiwan but tracking them will give you some random America location.
  • Sylv3r
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    @IronMaiden_burnout‌
    They may use VPN but as they are register there so its doable to cut this link.
    They can maybe repair another one with another site but if this job is done regulary maybe that can slow them (not stop them i agree)
    There are tools to track VPN connections so theses can be refused if they are used. VPN is NOT secure anymore until they are highly secured and i doubt they use theses technologies.

    @Syzmicke‌
    I can't let you say that.
    I am pretty sure that this bot phenoména is completly out of control.
    The problem for me is the open code. Zeni choose the possibility to do like for Skyrim : add ons. Goldsellers then used this way to program bots and links.
    Second the game is new, Goldsellers are killing it and i doubt Zeni like to see all 7 years effort down.

    But as customers we need actions done and reporting. We pay for a service and need to have this service done.
    With all theses bots this service is partially done, not completly.

    Just an idea :smile:
    Maybe we can do all together something to help them ?
    Maybe we can create groups to steal the mobs to theses botters and then steal their money ?
    But to do this we need to be in mass and it take time to organise that.

    But a GM can organize events about it and i am sure that can really give hard time to those who organize this cheatery and botting.

  • Arsvita
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    Well the bots were definitely worse and en-mass, far outnumbering the players, causing me to log off as I could not get any resources for crafting my new Sorceress' gear.

    I have been reporting since the early play time, seeing the same names all the while, and still reporting. Sort of like calling 911, it's too late, they will arrive to take notes after the damage is done.

    Like I said, they were so bad that I just logged off the game and stopped playing.

    That means that my enjoyment to play a game, that I too pay for, was ruined by a computer coded system that has run amok and has free reign.

    This was even after they had some GM announce they were in game to zap the bots. Either didn't do anything, the bots broke the GM, or the bots actually got a tea break before returning like locusts.
  • KerinKor
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    GreySix wrote: »
    Savinder wrote: »
    There need to be some "reality checks" programmed into this game, and they had to be put in before the game launched. Flying and tunneling bots should not be present, and yet they still are and the former are also very visible, zipping in the sky in straight lines and all.
    Not sure if this is the case, but had read somewhere that much of the game is controlled by clients, which facilitates the hacking we see.
    No idea if that's true or not, but clearly there's no server-side sanity checking and given the dire state we're in with bots I can certainly believe it could be due to ZOS naive software design that offload much of the logic to the client.

    That said, FFXIV V1 was entirely server-based, pos-hacking was nigh on impossible, but the price was a game that played like a dog.

    There is a happy medium but ZOS seems to have failed to learn from 15+ years of MMO infestation by RMT and bots and we, the paying customers, are suffering as a result.
  • Chirru
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    I am so sick of this I want to vomit!!
    I log on (Bal Foyen) to quietly play a few minutes..really just to hang about and what is that I see? BOTS! not one, not two ,not three, not four, there are at lest eight or so running like mad in the little area I can see. All in prison clothes, all with these funny names and all running way-points, and all sprinting all the time.

    DEV's WHAT ARE YOU DOING!
    sitting on your backside, sipping Soda and putting as yet another band-aid on a hemorrhage? This game is sitting in pools of Blood and you do not even the basics of First Aid?

    This Game is Good and has all the potential marks to be Great. However, from me the Development Team get 'thumbs down' and a - 10 in score. Why? Because they have lost the Control over their own product.
  • Sylv3r
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  • Sylv3r
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    Seen some chain questing in Eastmarch.
    Packed by 6 to 8 ... all reported of course


    Edited by Sylv3r on May 15, 2014 9:21AM
  • gladen5rwb17_ESO
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    I know that EQ2 has something (I am not tech savvy) in place that monitors your characters. They can tell if you gained anything that was not legitimate. Upon this discovery, you are banned for life. This is advertized and very well known amongst the player community and why bots have left this game alone. No one is buying anymore.

    As much as I dislike to admit it, the onus is upon the company to tell the paying customers with some degree of threat that any self gaining interaction with bots or gold sellers will cause a ban upon your account.
  • Chirru
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    Oh...yes, there are plenty of ways to get rid of these Bot-cheaters. However, as someone did mention (i think correctly) there are so many cheating players in the game that the revenue impact of banning their accounts would be hurting sales revenue.
    My personal opinion; at this point in the game's stage the Dev's rather close their communal eyes and ears and hope the issue will go away by some sort of miracle. They will only open their eyes and ears again if revenue falls to the point where something MUST be done to keep the honest players in the game.

    It is a case of money speaking louder than player's wishes. However, there is a silver-lining on the horizon. You just wait until the Bots hit the new expansion and the Power players start to scream for something to be done. If the hot-shots of the game start to go onto the barricades, then something will be done.

    So let us be patient a few more weeks.
  • deamill
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    I have reported the same bots so many times, that i begin to think nothing is done about it... Also almost everyday when i logon i get the same in-game gold seller spam mail, i report the account every day... !

    I just re-subscribed, but i wont in 3 months if this is not fixed. :-/
  • Sylv3r
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    Now they fly ... quest is done faster ...
  • Shillen
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    deamill wrote: »
    I have reported the same bots so many times, that i begin to think nothing is done about it... Also almost everyday when i logon i get the same in-game gold seller spam mail, i report the account every day... !

    I just re-subscribed, but i wont in 3 months if this is not fixed. :-/

    Wow, that's pretty sad. Those ones spamming mails should be easy to get rid of...
    Please LOL my comments. I'm an aspiring comedian.
  • ttwinklerub17_ESO
    quite honestly if they don't get a handle in the next week.. it's should be over for them

    Just at daggerfall going to develyn mills or baelborne ruins - to wyrd forest you can't find nada - nothing

    the underground bots never mind the top ones make it impossible

    no jute - no iron - no wood and no plants - runes you can find a few - ...sparse
    and hunting imps is another matter considering the bot trains are killing everything so fast all you see is 1- 2 mobs and lots of carcasses
    and the mobs get hit by the bot trains before anyone else has a chance

    just so you know catching undergound speedbots is not easy to do and not when you see multiple of them either

    for me I can move on to other areas - but to new players it's not even fair
    how do you get mats for your character?

    go do harder areas and get killed more...and still have the same issues?

    going into harder areas is not a solution because the bots are out in those regions already

    they need to take serious action quick
    meaning lots of GM's online all the time and fix the collision system
    also remove the possibility of speedhacks and teleporting bots

    It's basically denial of said services - because the bots take most of everything and do all the kills?
    where is the game when there is nothing to kill or you can let the bots do your work and no sense collecting stuff when the material nodes are bare and the chests/drawers are empty?

    and Im not even getting into the broken game

  • GreySix
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    Sylv3r wrote: »
    Now they fly ... quest is done faster ...

    That's old news. They've been flying, travelling beneath the ground, and using the hyperspace lanes for some time now.

    In a way, the flagrancy of their actions is admirable. It's as though they know those in charge won't do a thing about them.
    Crotchety Old Man Guild

    "Hey you, get off my lawn!"
  • Hiply
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    no player can do anything but report that's it yes it will take time to resolve , and when you see these items for large amounts of cash , I would like to see evidence on these items being sold at the prices you state, I mean I can sell some thing rare for 1 million but will it sell .
    I am new to the game but its the same in all games show evidence of this , no one even eso has to abide by these rules call it company policy but I think these prices are hear say , maybe a few might have paid for some of them they are the wallet warriors, but in general I think in general not

    Methinks thou dost protest too much. o.O

  • Gillysan
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    Took me 20 minutes to report 6 bots. Reason being that this running clumped together hides their names and makes it hard to F reach the report player on that dial. The targeting reticule is quickly flashing through several names. I got a few with F but then had to follow them and patiently memorize their names to write it in manually one by one.

    It's a pain to report them and also time consuming. I have to be in a patient mood to do this, otherwise I grit my teeth and actually go play the game instead of this bot reporting meta game. *groan*
  • raudfsfolley
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    Ugh. Spent yesterday competing with bots in trying to do quests and get mats. I saw at least 10 different bot trains, each 4 bots long and each bot a freaking templar. If I had any coding skill, I'd create a bot that reports it's fellow bots, so I can play the game rather than spend a good half my play time reporting bots!

    Making the reporting process easier would be nice. Have time, date, location already filled in and all we have to do is list names, why we think they're bots and what they're doing. Maybe have something similar for the spam in game mail, where it copies the content of the mail for us and all we have to do is hit send.
  • Hiply
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    It's not that Zen can't stop it, it's that they won't. Yes, it's going to reduce margins for a while but there is no reason other than that not to have several people with GM authority logged on constantly and perma-banning the accounts (nothing else will do) of the reported bots.

    24/7 there need to be GM-level people online with their presence publicly known and they need to be actively queuing up reports from players then swinging the perma-ban hammer loudly and publicly.

    Will it get all of them? Of course not. Can it cut a swath through the obvious ones and make it harder to bot in the game? Yes.

    Edited by Hiply on May 15, 2014 1:26PM
  • Dalexander_89_ESO
    I don't understand how hard it is to simply restrict the use of names such as "adskfje" this alone should reduce the problem in half. A second more permanent solution would be a more thorough credit card verification to create an account. Zenimax, i've never immagined bots in a game would ruin my experience but they sure as hell are in this game. Please do something more significant than PR stunts like announcing you're there to ban bots.
    Edited by Dalexander_89_ESO on May 15, 2014 1:34PM
  • beowulfsshield
    GreySix wrote: »
    In a way, the flagrancy of their actions is admirable. It's as though they know those in charge won't do a thing about them.
    Yeah, they are brazen. They wouldn't last 30 seconds in any other MMO.

  • Lucifah
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    After reporting 50 or so, I will no longer bother to play police. It's a great game, which I'm very happy to pay money for, but I can expect them to do their job in return.
    We see people reporting bots like crazy, we see screenshots and video evidence for all the exploits, but the situation has got out of hand. I've been playing a couple of hours per week (don't have a lot of time for this) since first beta weekend.
    Up until a week or two ago, you could walk around and collect some mats alongside your quests and would have plenty to craft whatever you needed. Now, you walk around for half an hour and will be lucky to find iron ore or jute in places where hardly anybody would look. Even wood is gone now, although there was more than plenty enough of it out there (you need much less wood than you need jute or iron).

    As long as bots gather things without much impact on everybody else (apart from the economy), it's bearable. Now, however, it affects pretty much everybody, at least in the lower level brackets, because they can't gather mats any more and have to compete with an army of bots when fighting quest mobs, too. It's ridiculous.

    Again, great game, but about to be totally ruined by bots. We're at a tipping point now, I think. If the bot situation doesn't change very quickly and in a sustainable way, people will wander off. Some already have. And, although I would be sad to do this, the decline from beta onwards combined with dreadful communication from the mods (canned responses, without any "meat") might make me consider other games, too.

    It really is time for ZOS to step up their game (pun intended) and do more than acknowledge the problem and send a GM for 15 minutes once a week. This can't be resolved by reporting and manual bans. A permanent working solution has to appear in one of the next patch notes! Failing that, ZOS have to make an announcement which states what they are going to do about it and when precisely.
  • Sylv3r
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    @Lucifah‌
    Totaly agree and thats why i had post about BOTS and gameplay.

    This phenomenal pop of bots is totaly killing the gameplay.
    TESO said they took it seriously .. SERIOUSLY ????
    Its impossible to gather ressources in many places now and questing become very complicated.
    In evidence there are more BOTS then players online !!!

    We need an answer and a very high response to theses Goldsellers cause if nothing is done its pretty sure this game will be down in less then 6 month.

    And i really, really dont want that.
    I like TESO, i like our community and something need to be done ASAP.




    Edited by Sylv3r on May 15, 2014 3:06PM
  • deamill
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    What about making gold account bound...? It would not stop it, but maybe tone it down? They could even make low and mid level mats and items account bound, for all i care.. But that might be frustrating to people who actually like to trade and stuff..

    Duno, just getting sick of this :-/
  • GreySix
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    Found these comments on a botter forum:
    well did you read my post? i specificly stated i only used this program and only for its esp/radar nothing else. Aside from that ESOMinion does not have a speed hack.

    well ESOMinion isnt detected so you must of got player reported, I've currently leveled 15 characters to 50 and i have 5 accounts farming and no bans yet. This bot is by far the best on the market even in its beta stage.

    ... so it seems player reporting does have an impact, if even for a short time.
    Crotchety Old Man Guild

    "Hey you, get off my lawn!"
  • ttwinklerub17_ESO
    I don't understand how hard it is to simply restrict the use of names such as "adskfje" this alone should reduce the problem in half. A second more permanent solution would be a more thorough credit card verification to create an account. Zenimax, i've never immagined bots in a game would ruin my experience but they sure as hell are in this game. Please do something more significant than PR stunts like announcing you're there to ban bots.

    all that will do is create a script that pull legitimate names from a book of names

    it will only slow them down long enough to write a modified script
  • PF1901
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    The respec costs are the real killer, especially as when you spend skill points it's not clear what you are getting. We're talking tens of thousands in gold so it's no wonder some people just buy the stuff.

    Cutting demand by cutting these costs seems an easy way to buy time to fix things. Cut repair, respec and horse costs by a factor of 10 and i bet th demand for gold will plummet.
    Are you able to prove this or is it just guessing on your part? As much as I am annoyed by the bot problem, i am at least for now totally against counter measures of this kind (cd on character creation, no ingame trading etc. etc.). In your case - that is with the "killer" costs gone - I'm even pretty sure the bot problem wouldn't be reduced at all (not a yota so to speak). It needs better solutions and I'm still confident zeni is trying to get a hold on some of them.

    PS. Death to parasites!
  • ciannait
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    Gillysan wrote: »
    Took me 20 minutes to report 6 bots. Reason being that this running clumped together hides their names and makes it hard to F reach the report player on that dial. The targeting reticule is quickly flashing through several names. I got a few with F but then had to follow them and patiently memorize their names to write it in manually one by one.

    It's a pain to report them and also time consuming. I have to be in a patient mood to do this, otherwise I grit my teeth and actually go play the game instead of this bot reporting meta game. *groan*

    I highly recommend using the FastReport mod. You don't have to continue targeting a player in order to report them and it also provides the precise location for the GM.

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