Anniversary Jubilee Crates are now worthless!

BretonMage · April 10

RNG is actually so odd with ESO. Yesterday I got nothing but basic materials, but today, the drops were fairly decent. Nothing extravagant, but I got a handful of motif pages, which I appreciated. We do oddly seem to have good luck runs and bad luck runs here. It reminds me of when I was farming for a lead from a delve boss - I camped there for ages and killed them I think 14 times, but nothing dropped. Logged out and back in again, the lead dropped almost immediately.

@Pevey Your post made me smile. So lovely to hear that your son is enjoying playing ESO with you.

katanagirl1 · April 10

Thanks for the replies everyone. Nice to know those Eyes are still dropping. 5 of them is more than you would get running Scrivener’s Hall and deconning all the gear.

I got a few newer motif pages early on that I sold for a good amount of gold, but mostly alt fodder for the rest. I’ve also been disappointed that my master writ drops have gone almost to zero during this event. I’m working on my attunable tables so I am keenly aware of the fact that I get almost no gold writs now and very few purple ones. I wonder if it has to do with the number of players online now or something. Can’t just be just RNG.

Akylles · April 10

I mean, if y'all don't want your free stuff cause it's "garbage", just mail it to me

Arizona_Steve · April 10

Akylles wrote: »

I mean, if y'all don't want your free stuff cause it's "garbage", just mail it to me

I would happily mail all the Anniversary furnishings to you, but for some inexplicable reason they are bound.

whitecrow · April 10

Yeah, they really are junky now. Only the gold boxes are good.

Adaarye · April 10

The event is def not worth doing anymore. I got one worm cult motif, one blue recipe (I could use neither) and NO event furniture. I'm done.

TBH I don't really care about the recipes and the motifs. I have them all. I do however care about the furniture items.

@ZOS_Kevin

jcaceresw · April 10

I agree. Motifs pages now drop almost never. They ruined the event fun.

ApoAlaia · April 10

Arizona_Steve wrote: »

Akylles wrote: »

I mean, if y'all don't want your free stuff cause it's "garbage", just mail it to me

I would happily mail all the Anniversary furnishings to you, but for some inexplicable reason they are bound.

I think is due to the fact that, like the new Jester's furnishings, they are also sold by the achievement furnishing vendor and those are always bound.

Adaarye · April 10

Acetriad wrote: »

I think that's the best point. Why, for what possible reason, are the furnishings bound? Sure, I do housing, but not everyone does, and there is ZERO logical reason to keep us from trading a few banners and wreaths. I mean, did I miss the fact that they upset game balance because you get an extra +.01% damage for each one in your house? No? They don't do that? Then what's the issue?

It matters if you have 96 houses

Update to my drops: I decided to go ahead and do both my accounts, the first one 20 characters. Im halfway through and I got another motif and a couple of purple food recipes (Blargh) LOL. I did get two of the green garlands. Its nothing like it was before yesterday.

Big Sad

Arunei · April 10

daim wrote: »

If anything the event is totally crashing the motif market and has done so for a few years now. Motifs have no value these days as they are just handed to you without any effort.

The Jubilee doesn't crash the Motif market long-term, only for a handful of months until the surplus from the event gets sold off. What actually causes the prices on motifs to go down is just time. A lot of the Motifs that used to be worth a lot have gone down in price over the years because more people have been getting them and selling them. Dro-m'Athra, Ebony, Welkynar, Akaviri, and others used to be worth over 100k each, depending on the page. Newer Motifs are still super expensive because they haven't been available long enough for a bunch to be available.

It's the same thing with certain mats. They go down in price over the years not because of an event that lasts for a few weeks every year, but because that item is constantly being generated outside of the Jubilee. Potent Nirncrux used to be super expensive, I'm preeeetty sure they were like 100k each or around there at first. Now they're less than 30k. Because a lot of people farm Craglorn, and we have the Plentiful Harvest Perk. Perfect Roe used to be really expensive but isn't these days, because a bunch of people fish and we have batch filleting now that makes filleting hundreds of fish take one click instead of hundreds.

LadyLethalla · April 10

I remember past Jubilees where my bank would fill with motif pages. Always more dropping in the first week than the second. This year it's barely anything, like maybe 1 motif for every 20 or so boxes (or perhaps less), though I have gotten two Aetherial Dust and one Diminished AD.

I guess it's a good thing in that I don't feel the need to go run 50+ daily quests anymore.

daim · April 11

Arunei wrote: »

daim wrote: »

If anything the event is totally crashing the motif market and has done so for a few years now. Motifs have no value these days as they are just handed to you without any effort.

The Jubilee doesn't crash the Motif market long-term, only for a handful of months until the surplus from the event gets sold off. What actually causes the prices on motifs to go down is just time. A lot of the Motifs that used to be worth a lot have gone down in price over the years because more people have been getting them and selling them. Dro-m'Athra, Ebony, Welkynar, Akaviri, and others used to be worth over 100k each, depending on the page. Newer Motifs are still super expensive because they haven't been available long enough for a bunch to be available.

It's the same thing with certain mats. They go down in price over the years not because of an event that lasts for a few weeks every year, but because that item is constantly being generated outside of the Jubilee. Potent Nirncrux used to be super expensive, I'm preeeetty sure they were like 100k each or around there at first. Now they're less than 30k. Because a lot of people farm Craglorn, and we have the Plentiful Harvest Perk. Perfect Roe used to be really expensive but isn't these days, because a bunch of people fish and we have batch filleting now that makes filleting hundreds of fish take one click instead of hundreds.

Yup. And before Dromathra, worm cult etc started getting flooded from the boxes last year their price went down and never really recovered. Those motifs used to be up to 500k, now they are just 10% what they used to be all year round. But then again pretty much the whole market crashed back when they made the changes to jewelry stuff (and i guess in other drops too)

Oh the good ol times...

ShadowPaladin · April 11

For me the core of this event or more like the main goal of the event was that you - the player - is able to have a chance getting stuff, which he normally needs to farm for: motif pages, recipes and furniture plans.

In that last few years the drops rates where always like a decent combination out of those three things.

BUT, this year its bad. Really bad

. Plans do still drop on an average level, same goes for recipes. Only problem with them seems to be that its nearly always the same ones. It is as if the number of plans and recipes the RNG-systen chooses the drops is limited to a fraction of all of the available plans and recipes (excluding special ones like those you can only get via certain ways).
Regarding the motif pages. Those are way below what it was in the last few years. This year the average is - at best - 1 motif page per 10 boxes. During the last few years it was at least 1 page per 5 boxes. In addition to that it seems as if only "normal" motifs are dropping and none of the newer ones or those which are harder to get.

In addition to all of this. There is now stuff cluttering the boxes loottables - those so called *Jubilee Furnitures*. Those are droping in such quantities that we will have millions of those items at the end of the event. From a reasonable perspective I can already see players destroying this stuff because there is so much of it that no one needs/wants it anymore

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This stuff should never ever have been placed inside those boxes. Instead it should have been made available through an *Event Vendor* selling it for gold. With that the loottable would not have been cluttered and there would have been a - more or less - good gold sink. For next years anni-event this should be changed!!!

The Jubilee Boxes should focus on their original goal - giving us players the opportunity to get motif pages, recipes and furniture plans in a more easy way during the event.

ImmortalCX · April 11

shadyjane62 wrote: »

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Just want to be clear here, while we know the change in the drop rate from the hotfix is frustrating, we were returning the drop rate to be inline with previous Anniversary Jubilee events. The drop rate was higher than it should have been and any adjustments were to bring it inline with previous events. So we did not lower the drop rate lower than previous Jubilee events, just bringing them inline to match.

However, feedback noted on it feeling better per hotfix and we can take that back to the team.

I paid for one extra month to sub for Anniversary.

It was a monumental waste of money.

Same. In first two days I got two Aetherial Dust. I realized I would be running the event alot so I subbed. Then they nerfed.

It could be argued that it was done intentionally.

irswat · April 12

They listened to the people who whined about the event hurting the economy and are mostly giving junk compared to previous years. This event is a nothingburger. 6/10 wouldn't recommend.

antihero_kazuma · April 12

Just opened purple coffees from 3 sets of crafting dailies on 8 toons... My grand total of gold materials.... 1 cyrodiil citrus. They definitely nerfed gold drops beyond what they were the last few years. Great job ZOS

Koshka · April 12

Arunei wrote: »

daim wrote: »

If anything the event is totally crashing the motif market and has done so for a few years now. Motifs have no value these days as they are just handed to you without any effort.

The Jubilee doesn't crash the Motif market long-term, only for a handful of months until the surplus from the event gets sold off. What actually causes the prices on motifs to go down is just time. A lot of the Motifs that used to be worth a lot have gone down in price over the years because more people have been getting them and selling them. Dro-m'Athra, Ebony, Welkynar, Akaviri, and others used to be worth over 100k each, depending on the page. Newer Motifs are still super expensive because they haven't been available long enough for a bunch to be available.

It's the same thing with certain mats. They go down in price over the years not because of an event that lasts for a few weeks every year, but because that item is constantly being generated outside of the Jubilee. Potent Nirncrux used to be super expensive, I'm preeeetty sure they were like 100k each or around there at first. Now they're less than 30k. Because a lot of people farm Craglorn, and we have the Plentiful Harvest Perk. Perfect Roe used to be really expensive but isn't these days, because a bunch of people fish and we have batch filleting now that makes filleting hundreds of fish take one click instead of hundreds.

It's different nowadays, though.
Back in the day it wasn't possible to farm Jubilee boxes on cooldown so they were somewhat limited. But these days people farm those Craglorn gargoyle portals and dolmens so the supply is much higher.
Imo they should've reverted the way they drop instead of nerfing the contents.

Arunei · April 12

Koshka wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

daim wrote: »

If anything the event is totally crashing the motif market and has done so for a few years now. Motifs have no value these days as they are just handed to you without any effort.

The Jubilee doesn't crash the Motif market long-term, only for a handful of months until the surplus from the event gets sold off. What actually causes the prices on motifs to go down is just time. A lot of the Motifs that used to be worth a lot have gone down in price over the years because more people have been getting them and selling them. Dro-m'Athra, Ebony, Welkynar, Akaviri, and others used to be worth over 100k each, depending on the page. Newer Motifs are still super expensive because they haven't been available long enough for a bunch to be available.

It's the same thing with certain mats. They go down in price over the years not because of an event that lasts for a few weeks every year, but because that item is constantly being generated outside of the Jubilee. Potent Nirncrux used to be super expensive, I'm preeeetty sure they were like 100k each or around there at first. Now they're less than 30k. Because a lot of people farm Craglorn, and we have the Plentiful Harvest Perk. Perfect Roe used to be really expensive but isn't these days, because a bunch of people fish and we have batch filleting now that makes filleting hundreds of fish take one click instead of hundreds.

It's different nowadays, though.
Back in the day it wasn't possible to farm Jubilee boxes on cooldown so they were somewhat limited. But these days people farm those Craglorn gargoyle portals and dolmens so the supply is much higher.
Imo they should've reverted the way they drop instead of nerfing the contents.

People can farm for however many boxes they want (for this year at least, was it this way last year? Wasn't around for 2024 Jubilee), true, but people are claiming said boxes are junk now and they aren't getting anything, so they're not bothering. I wonder if the people not taking part in the event will be evened out by people who are farming the everloving snot out of them?

I'm still getting good stuff. I've gotten a couple of Aetherial Dust, more Rubyblossom, other gold crafting mats, I'm getting several Motif chapters a day (and not just the cheap things like Worm Cult, but a bunch that are still worth 20k, 30k, 50k, etc), I'm still getting things like Dragon Rheum and Powdered Mother of Pearl and Clam Gall. Like I've said, it's just how RNG works. People who can afford the time to get more boxes will (typically at least, not always) have 'better' RNG. Not in that their odds of getting X or Y go up, but because they have more chances at getting X or Y than someone with fewer boxes.

It's like someone buying 5 scratch-offs and someone else buying 50 of the same kind. The second person is going to have a much higher likelihood of getting one that wins because while the odds remain the same across each, there are dozens more chances of hitting those odds.

irswat · April 13

Motifs were much more abundant in prior years.

SilverBride · April 13

I've been getting a few motifs every day, many of which I didn't already have.

DenverRalphy · April 13

The motifs are dropping at the same rate as last year for me. The only difference this year is that there aren't as many boxes being farmed game-wide because everybody and their brothers aren't all out farming non-stop 24/7 for the coveted skill pages tied behind dolmens/geysers/wb's/etc..

Last year was a dumpster fire of an event because of the wretched drop rate of the highlly desired rare prizes. This year chase for them isn't even a blip on the radar. As a result, not as many boxes farmed, not as many motifs into the market.

Apollosipod · April 13

Even if the tables were moved to the post-hotfix level, it would help if the Motifs that DID drop were curated to be something we don't own. I've gotten so many Motifs that aren't even marketable to sell

Wuduwasa13 · April 13

I wouldn’t call them worthless, I’m still getting some pretty decent drops out of them.

Grec1a · April 13

irswat wrote: »

Motifs were much more abundant in prior years.

I seriously haven't received a single motif since they nerfed the drops, so I agree with you.

Arunei · April 14

SilverBride wrote: »

I've been getting a few motifs every day, many of which I didn't already have.

I've learned all the Motifs in full save for the following:

Ancestral Akaviri 3/14 | Ancestral Breton 4/14 | Ancestral Reach 12/14 | Ancient Daedric 0/14 (I don't even bother getting Maps to look for them and haven't checked prices b/c they're probably still horribly expensive lol) | Annihilarch's Chosen 4/14 | Ascendant Order 3/14 | Black Fin Legion 13/14 | Blessed Inquisitor 2/14 | Clan Dreamcarver 9/14 | Crimson Oath 13/14 | Dead Keeper 8/14 | Drowned Mariner 1/14 | Fargrave Guardian 1/14 | Firesong 5/14 | Hircine Bloodhunter 0/14 | Kindred's Concord 2/14 | Syrabanic Marine 12/14 | Systres Guardian 13/14 | The Recollection 0/14 | Waking Flame 13/14 | West Weald Legion 2/14 | Y'ffre's Will 0/14

And I'm still getting several pages I didn't already know every two or so days. I've probably gotten at least fifteen or so I hadn't known yet so far, and we still have 5 days left. Same with Furnishing Plans, I know like 1,985 or so and I'm *still* getting the occasional ones I didn't have yet. RNG for ya.

Apollosipod wrote: »

Even if the tables were moved to the post-hotfix level, it would help if the Motifs that DID drop were curated to be something we don't own. I've gotten so many Motifs that aren't even marketable to sell

Absolutely not. Only being able to get Motifs or Plans we don't already know would ruin the Jubilee for those of us who make most of our gold for the rest of the year off it. I'm getting a good number of pages that are still worth over 30k each, I've gotten numerous pages worth upwards of 100k. I'd be earning *nothing* I could sell if these things were curated.

Now maybe if unknown pages and Plans were given higher RNG to drop but you could still get stuff you already know too? I wouldn't mind that. But myself and plenty others would bow out if we were so limited in what we can earn.

Apollosipod · April 14

Arunei wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I've been getting a few motifs every day, many of which I didn't already have.

I've learned all the Motifs in full save for the following:

Ancestral Akaviri 3/14 | Ancestral Breton 4/14 | Ancestral Reach 12/14 | Ancient Daedric 0/14 (I don't even bother getting Maps to look for them and haven't checked prices b/c they're probably still horribly expensive lol) | Annihilarch's Chosen 4/14 | Ascendant Order 3/14 | Black Fin Legion 13/14 | Blessed Inquisitor 2/14 | Clan Dreamcarver 9/14 | Crimson Oath 13/14 | Dead Keeper 8/14 | Drowned Mariner 1/14 | Fargrave Guardian 1/14 | Firesong 5/14 | Hircine Bloodhunter 0/14 | Kindred's Concord 2/14 | Syrabanic Marine 12/14 | Systres Guardian 13/14 | The Recollection 0/14 | Waking Flame 13/14 | West Weald Legion 2/14 | Y'ffre's Will 0/14

And I'm still getting several pages I didn't already know every two or so days. I've probably gotten at least fifteen or so I hadn't known yet so far, and we still have 5 days left. Same with Furnishing Plans, I know like 1,985 or so and I'm *still* getting the occasional ones I didn't have yet. RNG for ya.

Apollosipod wrote: »

Even if the tables were moved to the post-hotfix level, it would help if the Motifs that DID drop were curated to be something we don't own. I've gotten so many Motifs that aren't even marketable to sell

Absolutely not. Only being able to get Motifs or Plans we don't already know would ruin the Jubilee for those of us who make most of our gold for the rest of the year off it. I'm getting a good number of pages that are still worth over 30k each, I've gotten numerous pages worth upwards of 100k. I'd be earning *nothing* I could sell if these things were curated.

Now maybe if unknown pages and Plans were given higher RNG to drop but you could still get stuff you already know too? I wouldn't mind that. But myself and plenty others would bow out if we were so limited in what we can earn.

Well yeah, obviously. I didn't say you shouldn't be able to get Motifs to sell, but when you get a handful of *** base game Motifs then that RNG is basically a slap in the face. I think the best scenario is getting at least one new motif curated in the glorious box once a day. I currently have multiple repeated worm cult Motifs for the event. I only need so many event belts and MAYBE 2K Motifs

Quackery · April 14

I've opened hundreds of boxes and didn't get a single gold material after the hotfix. This is beyond ridiculous, and I sure as hell won't bother with this event next year.

Mathius_Mordred · April 14

I farmed about 100 boxes and got 3 roe, one mythic item worth 700K and a few motifs before this nerf, I certainly never noticed anything unusual about the drop rate and didn't really get much worth spending time farming for, hence why I only have done 100 boxes so far, with this nerf I just won't bother now.

Pevey · April 14

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

I farmed about 100 boxes and got 3 roe, one mythic item worth 700K and a few motifs before this nerf, I certainly never noticed anything unusual about the drop rate and didn't really get much worth spending time farming for [...].

I can't tell if this is satire or not. 100 boxes is not very many, and that is a lot of nice loot.

I feel like players want every box to contain X item worth 1m gold, but only for them, not for anyone else, because otherwise that would decrease the value of X item. It's just not possible.

Free loot is awesome. Even the base game motifs some people are trashing are great for alts. Learning full motifs increases chances for master writ drops. It's not clear what would make people happy when it comes to event drops.

Mathius_Mordred · April 14

Pevey wrote: »

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

I farmed about 100 boxes and got 3 roe, one mythic item worth 700K and a few motifs before this nerf, I certainly never noticed anything unusual about the drop rate and didn't really get much worth spending time farming for [...].

I can't tell if this is satire or not. 100 boxes is not very many, and that is a lot of nice loot.

I feel like players want every box to contain X item worth 1m gold, but only for them, not for anyone else, because otherwise that would decrease the value of X item. It's just not possible.

Free loot is awesome. Even the base game motifs some people are trashing are great for alts. Learning full motifs increases chances for master writ drops. It's not clear what would make people happy when it comes to event drops.

It's not satire, 100 boxes took me a few hours over the last few days, there were some nice mats but hardly anything expensive, I think I got a chromium and a Dreugh wax, but the vast majority of the stuff were low value motifs which I already had anyway or worthless junk, so I don't understand how people were getting really expensive items unless they were farming thousands of boxes which the average player isn't going to do and therefore there should have been no problem. Now if they have nerfed the content then I won't far them at all, I will still get them as I continue to do normal content.