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Will the new dungeons be available for purchase IMMEDIATELY after the release of the update on 10.03
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Kappachi✭✭✭✭ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Hi everyone. We realize the "after console launch" detail for when the Fallen Banners dungeons will be available for purchase in the Crown Store was a bit vague. At the time, we were still firming up dates for our ESO Direct. We can confirm that the dungeons will be available in the Crown Store for purchase on April 10 sometime after the ESO Direct. This is part of the transition period as noted in Matt Firor's message and we'll talk about more details during the upcoming ESO Direct.
whaaaat? it's an entire month delay? Is this going to be the case every single time? This is incredibly disheartening to us who own all the DLC of the game via crown trading and can't always afford eso+... Was one of the reasons I kept coming back to play ESO because I didn't need to pay a subscription every month and just needed to buy the one new expansion but in this case I can't even buy it until a month later...5 -
sans-culottes✭✭✭✭✭
✭whaaaat? it's an entire month delay? Is this going to be the case every single time? This is incredibly disheartening to us who own all the DLC of the game via crown trading and can't always afford eso+... Was one of the reasons I kept coming back to play ESO because I didn't need to pay a subscription every month and just needed to buy the one new expansion but in this case I can't even buy it until a month later...
Console players have to wait two weeks for everything.Edited by sans-culottes on March 10, 2025 8:04PM3 -
Thysbe✭✭✭✭✭It´s just a gut feeling - but having to wait until after ESO Direct makes me guess that we maybe have to buy some kind of package and can´t get the stand alone Dungeon DLC as we used to. At least I wouldn´t be surprised.Edited by Thysbe on March 10, 2025 8:05PM2 -
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✭It´s just a gut feeling - but having to wait until after ESO Direct makes me guess that we maybe have to buy some kind of package and can´t get the stand alone Dungeon DLC as we used to. At least I wouldn´t be surprised.
Do you have any evidence to back up this hunch? I don’t think you can reasonably make an inference like this.Edited by sans-culottes on March 10, 2025 8:07PM0 -
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✭sans-culottes wrote: »sans-culottes wrote: »sans-culottes wrote: »
I get that many players are unaffected by this, but as a non-subscriber, ZOS has absolutely done something bad: They made the Crowns I already purchased worth less, because I can't use them to buy the DLC upon launch any more. They made it impossible for me to play with friends and guild-mates for two weeks. So no joint exploration or blind-running the new content, unless my buddies agree to wait (which I would never ever ask for) or I give up and re-sub again.
ZOS also didn't communicate this change in their DLC reveal stream, because they knew how bad it would look and how much instant backlash it would create. They didn't clarify the 2 week waiting period until there was significant negative feedback already. All this has done is erode my trust in ZOS' decision-makers and, ironically, my willingness to pay for future content...
EDIT: Typo
This has not devalued the Crowns you bought from them, though.
Of course it has devalued Crowns. People have used Crowns to buy dungeon DLCs and were able to do so since the very first one. Some may have even stocked up on Crowns during the last sale at the end of 2024 in anticipation of the Q1 2025 update. But now I can't buy dungeons on launch day any more and lose out on playing with friends and guild mates unless I sub. This absolutely devalues my Crowns.
Imagine receiving an Apple Store gift card last Christmas, but now the store tells you that from 2025 onward it's not valid for the newest generation of products any more. Is the gift card still worth the same as before?
That’s not the same thing at all, though. Their value is still what it was before. This has literally in no way devalued anything. It just means you have to do one of a few things: Wait 14 days, subscribe to ESO+, or don’t.
Sigh... You need a car and have $10'000 to spend. One dealership has one on site and you can drive it home today. Another has an identical car at the same price, but it only arrives in a month. Which one is the better deal that gives you more value for your money? Whatever your answer is, I'm glad this doesn't negatively impact you. No point in arguing further, let's enjoy the game instead.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Since ESO Direct is on the 10th "available on the 10th of April" is not the same as "sometime after the ESO direkt". Or do you mean right after the ESO direct.
On April 10 sometime following the ESO Direct. (Depending on when they go up in the store after the livestream and what timezone you're in, I guess it could be April 11th.)
You guess? Shouldn't you know, as an ZOS employee?[Lie] Of course! I don't even worship Daedra!1 -
sans-culottes✭✭✭✭✭
✭sans-culottes wrote: »sans-culottes wrote: »sans-culottes wrote: »
I get that many players are unaffected by this, but as a non-subscriber, ZOS has absolutely done something bad: They made the Crowns I already purchased worth less, because I can't use them to buy the DLC upon launch any more. They made it impossible for me to play with friends and guild-mates for two weeks. So no joint exploration or blind-running the new content, unless my buddies agree to wait (which I would never ever ask for) or I give up and re-sub again.
ZOS also didn't communicate this change in their DLC reveal stream, because they knew how bad it would look and how much instant backlash it would create. They didn't clarify the 2 week waiting period until there was significant negative feedback already. All this has done is erode my trust in ZOS' decision-makers and, ironically, my willingness to pay for future content...
EDIT: Typo
This has not devalued the Crowns you bought from them, though.
Of course it has devalued Crowns. People have used Crowns to buy dungeon DLCs and were able to do so since the very first one. Some may have even stocked up on Crowns during the last sale at the end of 2024 in anticipation of the Q1 2025 update. But now I can't buy dungeons on launch day any more and lose out on playing with friends and guild mates unless I sub. This absolutely devalues my Crowns.
Imagine receiving an Apple Store gift card last Christmas, but now the store tells you that from 2025 onward it's not valid for the newest generation of products any more. Is the gift card still worth the same as before?
That’s not the same thing at all, though. Their value is still what it was before. This has literally in no way devalued anything. It just means you have to do one of a few things: Wait 14 days, subscribe to ESO+, or don’t.
Sigh... You need a car and have $10'000 to spend. One dealership has one on site and you can drive it home today. Another has an identical car at the same price, but it only arrives in a month. Which one is the better deal that gives you more value for your money? Whatever your answer is, I'm glad this doesn't negatively impact you. No point in arguing further, let's enjoy the game instead.
That’s not a reasonable comparison. The price is the same, the cost hasn’t changed. You don’t have a reasonable expectation that they must make these available for sale for Crowns at all. Instead, you just have to wait to spend the same amount of money for the same product—this is not devaluing, by definition. If the cost of one month of ESO+ is onerous, then you can always wait one month. And guess what? You’ll have literally spent $0, thus further splitting apart this claim.
PS. Comparing a video game’s DLC to a car isn’t really fair, but I’m trying to engage with this fraught example in good faith. These aren’t even remotely equivalent services, nor is what you’re describing really the same thing as wanting to play a game the moment it is released. A better comparison might be taking public transit and that taking longer to get to your destination. The car would cost more but get you there faster.NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Since ESO Direct is on the 10th "available on the 10th of April" is not the same as "sometime after the ESO direkt". Or do you mean right after the ESO direct.
On April 10 sometime following the ESO Direct. (Depending on when they go up in the store after the livestream and what timezone you're in, I guess it could be April 11th.)
You guess? Shouldn't you know, as an ZOS employee?
She doesn’t know what time zone you’re in, dude.Edited by sans-culottes on March 10, 2025 8:27PM5 -
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✭✭ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Hi everyone. We realize the "after console launch" detail for when the Fallen Banners dungeons will be available for purchase in the Crown Store was a bit vague. At the time, we were still firming up dates for our ESO Direct. We can confirm that the dungeons will be available in the Crown Store for purchase on April 10 sometime after the ESO Direct. This is part of the transition period as noted in Matt Firor's message and we'll talk about more details during the upcoming ESO Direct.
whaaaat? it's an entire month delay? Is this going to be the case every single time? This is incredibly disheartening to us who own all the DLC of the game via crown trading and can't always afford eso+... Was one of the reasons I kept coming back to play ESO because I didn't need to pay a subscription every month and just needed to buy the one new expansion but in this case I can't even buy it until a month later...
I suspect that this is a one-off case that has to do with the transition period that Jessica refers to in her post. They are transitioning to a new model that affects players who don't have ESO+. For ESO+ members, nothing will change, as they will have access to all content (as before) as part of their subscription. There will be new ways to purchase the content as a non-ESO+ member that they aren't announcing until April 10. Thus, we have this situation (a bit unfair, I think - speaking as an ESO+ member) where ESO+ members have up to a month's early access to the new DLC.
I would rather they had waited until their new model was in place, rather than releasing the DLC during their usual timeframe. I don't know why they didn't just wait, but...
Also, while I think this is unbalanced, I also think it's worth noting that ESO+ has been gutted on more than one occasion, to the benefit of non-ESO+ members, who have received a not-insignificant amount of free content over the last few years that ESO+ members have paid for as part of their subscription. (And no, owning the content outright is NOT a benefit to a subscriber UNLESS they unsubscribe. And further, getting a pet or fire-breathing lizard camel does NOT make up for it.)3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Wonder how this eso plus thing would work out for them as for example dungeon content is extremely tied to population unlike story content that would probably just benefit having less players around at launch.0 -
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✭This makes ESO+ less valuable to me if anything, since now I need to wait a month to do the new dungeons with the people I'd prefer to do them with, but good to know when they'll be available.3 -
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✭This makes ESO+ less valuable to me if anything, since now I need to wait a month to do the new dungeons with the people I'd prefer to do them with, but good to know when they'll be available.
I’m not sure I’m following this reasoning. You could, I guess, unsubscribe if your other friends do not have ESO+. Or you could wait, or you could run it with others. Not sure how that makes it less valuable to you?3 -
RealLoveBVB✭✭✭✭✭
✭sans-culottes wrote: »whaaaat? it's an entire month delay? Is this going to be the case every single time? This is incredibly disheartening to us who own all the DLC of the game via crown trading and can't always afford eso+... Was one of the reasons I kept coming back to play ESO because I didn't need to pay a subscription every month and just needed to buy the one new expansion but in this case I can't even buy it until a month later...
Console players have to wait two weeks for everything.
There is a difference between "all consoleros" have to wait a month or just half of them.
It's not about waiting a month as this- it's waiting a whole month while others on your platform can play the content already.
In my dungeon group I am the only one without ESO+. So they either have to wait a month just for me , or they are going to find a replacement.
Being forced to pay a sub (in this case some sort forced by the group) is actually a reason to delete the game.5 -
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✭✭✭Elvenheart wrote: »I’m looking forward to that April ESO Direct! And what I’m wondering is if either of the new dungeons are soloable or if they will be too hard/have mechanics that prevent just one person on normal?
They are both soloable, I did them on an arcanist without a companion, and there were no mechanics issues when solo. I was on dps gear for all fights except the last boss in Exiled Redoubt, which I did with tankier sets.
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✭RealLoveBVB wrote: »sans-culottes wrote: »whaaaat? it's an entire month delay? Is this going to be the case every single time? This is incredibly disheartening to us who own all the DLC of the game via crown trading and can't always afford eso+... Was one of the reasons I kept coming back to play ESO because I didn't need to pay a subscription every month and just needed to buy the one new expansion but in this case I can't even buy it until a month later...
Console players have to wait two weeks for everything.
There is a difference between "all consoleros" have to wait a month or just half of them.
It's not about waiting a month as this- it's waiting a whole month while others on your platform can play the content already.
In my dungeon group I am the only one without ESO+. So they either have to wait a month just for me , or they are going to find a replacement.
Being forced to pay a sub (in this case some sort forced by the group) is actually a reason to delete the game.
I’m sorry an optional service to access content 30 days sooner feels like sufficient cause to stop doing something you ostensibly enjoy. Monthly subscriptions are common in this genre, but there are lots of very highly monetized F2P MMORPGs. If it’s the genre that captures you, then you might consider one of those.
While I can sympathize with feeling shorted because others get the same want satisfied sooner than you, it’s not like the option has been taken away from you. I don’t work for ZOS and am not exactly a fan of their monetization strategy, but what you and others are describing is colloquially called “fear of missing out.”Edited by sans-culottes on March 10, 2025 8:58PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Good thing I'm not interested in the dungeons.... I have two account subs expiring this month, and I'm not renewing them.______________________________________________________
"But even in books, the heroes make mistakes, and there isn't always a happy ending." Mercedes Lackey, Into the West
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✭sans-culottes wrote: »It´s just a gut feeling - but having to wait until after ESO Direct makes me guess that we maybe have to buy some kind of package and can´t get the stand alone Dungeon DLC as we used to. At least I wouldn´t be surprised.
Do you have any evidence to back up this hunch? I don’t think you can reasonably make an inference like this.
I had the same hunch.
After the live stream pretty sure these things will happen:
- Buy a 'year pass' with real money only, like chapters before and get all content drops during the year 'for free' (including these new dungeons)
- Buy all the pieces (including these dungeons) separately from the crown store (and spend more in total).
A lot of live service games have been doing this.Edited by licenturion on March 10, 2025 9:35PM1 -
NotaDaedraWorshipper✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭sans-culottes wrote: »NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »
On April 10 sometime following the ESO Direct. (Depending on when they go up in the store after the livestream and what timezone you're in, I guess it could be April 11th.)
You guess? Shouldn't you know, as an ZOS employee?
She doesn’t know what time zone you’re in, dude.
What? What timezone has nothing to do with it, they should know what date and what time they are going to release or stream something, not guess vaguely when it could be. Like it's going to be 1st april 16:00 UTC or such, then let people figure out when that is in their timezone.[Lie] Of course! I don't even worship Daedra!1 -
sans-culottes✭✭✭✭✭
✭NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »sans-culottes wrote: »NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »
On April 10 sometime following the ESO Direct. (Depending on when they go up in the store after the livestream and what timezone you're in, I guess it could be April 11th.)
You guess? Shouldn't you know, as an ZOS employee?
She doesn’t know what time zone you’re in, dude.
What? What timezone has nothing to do with it, they should know what date and what time they are going to release or stream something, not guess vaguely when it could be. Like it's going to be 1st april 16:00 UTC or such, then let people figure out when that is in their timezone.
You knew as well as I that she meant what releases in one time zone on 4/10/25 might be on 4/11/25 in others (or whatever the dates are).licenturion wrote: »sans-culottes wrote: »It´s just a gut feeling - but having to wait until after ESO Direct makes me guess that we maybe have to buy some kind of package and can´t get the stand alone Dungeon DLC as we used to. At least I wouldn´t be surprised.
Do you have any evidence to back up this hunch? I don’t think you can reasonably make an inference like this.
I had the same hunch.
After the live stream pretty sure these things will happen:
- Buy a 'year pass' with real money only, like chapters before and get all content drops during the year 'for free' (including these new dungeons)
- Buy all the pieces (including these dungeons) separately from the crown store (and spend more in total).
A lot of live service games have been doing this.
So is your claim that they’ll be adding this in addition to ESO+? As a replacement? I think it’d be wise to not jump to too many conclusions.Edited by sans-culottes on March 10, 2025 11:02PM0 -
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✭CatoUnchained wrote: »so access to the dungeon is timegated behind a paywall for non-ESO+ members, meaning I have no other option that to pay ESO+ to enjoy realease day dungeon feeling with my mates like I did for the last 6 years
well, still better than the initial announcement where you needed an active membership whenever accessing the dungeon
can´t wait for the April announcements
It's only 2 weeks, so it'll be fine. Everyone on console has to wait 2 weeks anyway.
There was no reason to do this except to try to force us into the subscription. Which is sad and the reason I left SWTOR.
I always defended ESO model over sWToR, joke is on me.
Instead of adding real value to ESO+ they make the QoL of no subscribers worse. SwTOR 101.Edited by Loves_guars on March 10, 2025 11:41PM3 -
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✭Loves_guars wrote: »CatoUnchained wrote: »so access to the dungeon is timegated behind a paywall for non-ESO+ members, meaning I have no other option that to pay ESO+ to enjoy realease day dungeon feeling with my mates like I did for the last 6 years
well, still better than the initial announcement where you needed an active membership whenever accessing the dungeon
can´t wait for the April announcements
It's only 2 weeks, so it'll be fine. Everyone on console has to wait 2 weeks anyway.
There was no reason to do this except to try to force us into the subscription. Which is pathetic and the reason I left SWTOR.
I always defended ESO model over sWToR, joke is on me.
Instead of adding real value to ESO+ they make the QoL of no subscribers worse. SwTOR 101.
They’re even giving you multiple ways to access it. This is the opposite of trying to “force us.”1 -
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✭sans-culottes wrote: »Loves_guars wrote: »CatoUnchained wrote: »so access to the dungeon is timegated behind a paywall for non-ESO+ members, meaning I have no other option that to pay ESO+ to enjoy realease day dungeon feeling with my mates like I did for the last 6 years
well, still better than the initial announcement where you needed an active membership whenever accessing the dungeon
can´t wait for the April announcements
It's only 2 weeks, so it'll be fine. Everyone on console has to wait 2 weeks anyway.
There was no reason to do this except to try to force us into the subscription. Which is pathetic and the reason I left SWTOR.
I always defended ESO model over sWToR, joke is on me.
Instead of adding real value to ESO+ they make the QoL of no subscribers worse. SwTOR 101.
They’re even giving you multiple ways to access it. This is the opposite of trying to “force us.”
I want to play with my friends, they won't have the sub on April when I will be able to buy it with crowns. So I cannot play with my friends the new DLC. How is this not forcing?1 -
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✭✭✭✭Loves_guars wrote: »sans-culottes wrote: »Loves_guars wrote: »CatoUnchained wrote: »so access to the dungeon is timegated behind a paywall for non-ESO+ members, meaning I have no other option that to pay ESO+ to enjoy realease day dungeon feeling with my mates like I did for the last 6 years
well, still better than the initial announcement where you needed an active membership whenever accessing the dungeon
can´t wait for the April announcements
It's only 2 weeks, so it'll be fine. Everyone on console has to wait 2 weeks anyway.
There was no reason to do this except to try to force us into the subscription. Which is pathetic and the reason I left SWTOR.
I always defended ESO model over sWToR, joke is on me.
Instead of adding real value to ESO+ they make the QoL of no subscribers worse. SwTOR 101.
They’re even giving you multiple ways to access it. This is the opposite of trying to “force us.”
I want to play with my friends, they won't have the sub on April when I will be able to buy it with crowns. So I cannot play with my friends the new DLC. How is this not forcing?
Because with a little bit of patience, you will be able to play it with your friends. Just because you can't do it "right now" does not mean anybody's being forced.
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✭✭✭sans-culottes wrote: »While I can sympathize with feeling shorted because others get the same want satisfied sooner than you, it’s not like the option has been taken away from you. I don’t work for ZOS and am not exactly a fan of their monetization strategy, but what you and others are describing is colloquially called “fear of missing out.”
This is not what you describe, and not FOMO.
I know quite a few people who basically log in to play in specific groups, and not much else. For them, playing with these groups is the game.
And if three people in the group decide to go ahead and replace you because they want to play content that you can't access, then that removes the reason to play the game. Or you're holding three people back from things they want to do in the game.
It's not about the content per se. It's about the disruption of groups that this causes, completely unnecessarily.Edited by Varana on March 11, 2025 9:37AM6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Also, while I think this is unbalanced, I also think it's worth noting that ESO+ has been gutted on more than one occasion, to the benefit of non-ESO+ members, who have received a not-insignificant amount of free content over the last few years that ESO+ members have paid for as part of their subscription. (And no, owning the content outright is NOT a benefit to a subscriber UNLESS they unsubscribe. And further, getting a pet or fire-breathing lizard camel does NOT make up for it.)
Other people getting dlc access does not revoke my access. And yes, owning content outright is a benefit to subscribers. Not all subscribers do so year round.
I can't recall being restricted access to any content besides the chapters. And losing the chapters as part of the sub did get us the craft bag. Whereas those without Plus cannot purchase this content at all (on PC).Edited by spartaxoxo on March 11, 2025 2:20AM0 -
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✭sans-culottes wrote: »This makes ESO+ less valuable to me if anything, since now I need to wait a month to do the new dungeons with the people I'd prefer to do them with, but good to know when they'll be available.
I’m not sure I’m following this reasoning. You could, I guess, unsubscribe if your other friends do not have ESO+. Or you could wait, or you could run it with others. Not sure how that makes it less valuable to you?
In the past I could run content with the people I want to run it with immediately on release. Now I can't. Yes I can drop a part of what I want to still play that content, but either way my enjoyment, and therefore the worth it has to me, is lessened. I'm not sure how that would be difficult to understand.
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✭✭✭✭✭sans-culottes wrote: »This makes ESO+ less valuable to me if anything, since now I need to wait a month to do the new dungeons with the people I'd prefer to do them with, but good to know when they'll be available.
I’m not sure I’m following this reasoning. You could, I guess, unsubscribe if your other friends do not have ESO+. Or you could wait, or you could run it with others. Not sure how that makes it less valuable to you?
You don't really need to understand this yourself and just observe the fact that for some people it did indeed decreased their ESO plus value for different reasons or decrease enjoyment of the release. People play differently and for different reasons, some of us play with particular friends and their new structure makes us all in a disadvantage no matter ESO plus or not from now on. Some prefer doing the content day one with randoms, when there's no or not much guides out, everyone is unfamiliar etc. it is a different experience as running the same thing on day three even, not a month later when it's a rush to the end. If people can't do what they prefer to do or only thing they're interested in is unavailable it's a loss. And surely doesn't make the company look better when the image is already not that great.
*And a little hint that not all ESO players can subscribe for ESO plus because regional policies, not for every region that can sub it comes cheap to consider one more subscription when the life outside and other media exists and might be more important throughout the month. You can recommend it to people but if they are not subbed there's might be a reason for it already which wasn't important before this particular release they can not access now, but were able to previously.6 -
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✭sans-culottes wrote: »licenturion wrote: »
I had the same hunch.
After the live stream pretty sure these things will happen:
- Buy a 'year pass' with real money only, like chapters before and get all content drops during the year 'for free' (including these new dungeons)
- Buy all the pieces (including these dungeons) separately from the crown store (and spend more in total).
A lot of live service games have been doing this.
So is your claim that they’ll be adding this in addition to ESO+? As a replacement? I think it’d be wise to not jump to too many conclusions.
This is a hunch based upon what came before + the actual info ZOS has already provided
- Current chapter releases were never part of ESO+, so I don't assume a 'year pass' package won't be either, or they will cut off a whole revenue stream for no reason. Chapters could only be purchased with real money, so I assume the same will apply here. I also don't think they will make a year pass ESO+ only, because again, this will cut off a whole revenue stream of players who don't like subscriptions. And seeing the giant pushback for these dungeons (which is a small content drop in the grand scheme of things), this won't go over well.
- Jessica said here that the dungeons will be in the crown store as a package on April the 10th. This is a definitive clear answer.
- In the clarification post of the studio letter was said that this dungeon pack was just anomaly because they are shifting away from chapters. So this dungeon thing is a one off. Something Jessica repeated here in her posts and is also a definitive answer.
- In the end I don't think much will change when it comes to monetization. But instead of one big content drop (a chapter with 1 themes story) with a roadmap, we get smaller content drops during the year to keep momentum going and focus more quickly on issues and pain points without being stuck in a year long cycle.Edited by licenturion on March 11, 2025 10:09AM2 -
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✭Loves_guars wrote: »sans-culottes wrote: »Loves_guars wrote: »CatoUnchained wrote: »so access to the dungeon is timegated behind a paywall for non-ESO+ members, meaning I have no other option that to pay ESO+ to enjoy realease day dungeon feeling with my mates like I did for the last 6 years
well, still better than the initial announcement where you needed an active membership whenever accessing the dungeon
can´t wait for the April announcements
It's only 2 weeks, so it'll be fine. Everyone on console has to wait 2 weeks anyway.
There was no reason to do this except to try to force us into the subscription. Which is pathetic and the reason I left SWTOR.
I always defended ESO model over sWToR, joke is on me.
Instead of adding real value to ESO+ they make the QoL of no subscribers worse. SwTOR 101.
They’re even giving you multiple ways to access it. This is the opposite of trying to “force us.”
I want to play with my friends, they won't have the sub on April when I will be able to buy it with crowns. So I cannot play with my friends the new DLC. How is this not forcing?sans-culottes wrote: »While I can sympathize with feeling shorted because others get the same want satisfied sooner than you, it’s not like the option has been taken away from you. I don’t work for ZOS and am not exactly a fan of their monetization strategy, but what you and others are describing is colloquially called “fear of missing out.”
This is not what you describe, and not FOMO.
I know quite a few people who basically log in to play in specific groups, and not much else. For them, playing with these groups is the game.
And if three people in the group decide to go ahead and replace you because they want to play content that you can't access, then that removes the reason to play the game. Or you're holding three people back from things they want to do in the game.
It's not about the content per se. It's about the disruption of groups that this causes, completely unnecessarily.licenturion wrote: »sans-culottes wrote: »licenturion wrote: »
I had the same hunch.
After the live stream pretty sure these things will happen:
- Buy a 'year pass' with real money only, like chapters before and get all content drops during the year 'for free' (including these new dungeons)
- Buy all the pieces (including these dungeons) separately from the crown store (and spend more in total).
A lot of live service games have been doing this.
So is your claim that they’ll be adding this in addition to ESO+? As a replacement? I think it’d be wise to not jump to too many conclusions.
This is a hunch based upon what came before + the actual info ZOS has already provided
- Current chapter releases were never part of ESO+, so I don't assume a 'year pass' package won't be either, or they will cut off a whole revenue stream for no reason. Chapters could only be purchased with real money, so I assume the same will apply here. I also don't think they will make a year pass ESO+ only, because again, this will cut off a whole revenue stream of players who don't like subscriptions. And seeing the giant pushback for these dungeons (which is a small content drop in the grand scheme of things), this won't go over well.
- Jessica said here that the dungeons will be in the crown store as a package on April the 10th. This is a definitive clear answer.
- In the clarification post of the studio letter was said that this dungeon pack was just anomaly because they are shifting away from chapters. So this dungeon thing is a one off. Something Jessica repeated here in her posts and is also a definitive answer.
- In the end I don't think much will change when it comes to monetization. But instead of one big content drop (a chapter with 1 themes story) with a roadmap, we get smaller content drops during the year to keep momentum going and focus more quickly on issues and pain points without being stuck in a year long cycle.
Let’s not start bandying about these conspiracy theories.
PS. Yes, what I’m describing is fear of missing out. What you just articulated is that very thing.Edited by sans-culottes on March 11, 2025 11:54AM0 -
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✭✭✭Just because you claiming it is, doesn't make it so.
As for the "conspiracy", let's revisit that in mid-April.5