Will the new dungeons be available for purchase IMMEDIATELY after the release of the update on 10.03

Gendizer · March 6

I've heard that they will only be available to those with a subscription, and they can only be purchased after 2 weeks. How will it actually be?

tomofhyrule · March 6

All we've gotten is the official article from January, stating that the dungeons will be sold a la carte in the Crown store, but not until after console launch.

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/67411

lease note that the Update 45 dungeons will be available for purchase in the Crown Store shortly after console launch. For more information, check out this message from Matt Firor.

Thysbe · March 6

so access to the dungeon is timegated behind a paywall for non-ESO+ members, meaning I have no other option that to pay ESO+ to enjoy realease day dungeon feeling with my mates like I did for the last 6 years

well, still better than the initial announcement where you needed an active membership whenever accessing the dungeon

can´t wait for the April announcements

SeaGtGruff · March 6

Thysbe wrote: »

so access to the dungeon is timegated behind a paywall for non-ESO+ members, meaning I have no other option that to pay ESO+ to enjoy realease day dungeon feeling with my mates like I did for the last 6 years

well, still better than the initial announcement where you needed an active membership whenever accessing the dungeon

can´t wait for the April announcements

The initial announcement did not say that; that was the the way most people interpreted it.

The initial announcement did not say anything at all about whether the new dungeon DLC would or would not be sold in the Crown Store, and if so, how long after its initial launch on PC/Mac that would be.

Gendizer · March 6

Thanks for the reply. It's really sad that ZOS did this to the players.

CalivoArtades · March 6

It looks like non-ESO Plus players will have to wait a bit longer than until the console release date.

From today's article on the Exiled Redoubt dungeon:

"The Fallen Banners dungeon pack arrives for ESO Plus members alongside the Update 45 base game patch on March 10 on PC/Mac and March 26 for Xbox and Playstation consoles. Look for more details on additional ways to acquire Fallen Banners during the upcoming April ESO Direct.

Elvenheart · March 6

I’m looking forward to that April ESO Direct! And what I’m wondering is if either of the new dungeons are soloable or if they will be too hard/have mechanics that prevent just one person on normal?

sans-culottes · March 6

Gendizer wrote: »

Thanks for the reply. It's really sad that ZOS did this to the players.

No offense, but I don’t think they’ve done anything to players. Certainly nothing worth lamenting.

CatoUnchained · March 6

Thysbe wrote: »

so access to the dungeon is timegated behind a paywall for non-ESO+ members, meaning I have no other option that to pay ESO+ to enjoy realease day dungeon feeling with my mates like I did for the last 6 years

well, still better than the initial announcement where you needed an active membership whenever accessing the dungeon

can´t wait for the April announcements

It's only 2 weeks, so it'll be fine. Everyone on console has to wait 2 weeks anyway.

James-Wayne · March 6

Gendizer wrote: »

Thanks for the reply. It's really sad that ZOS did this to the players.

Nah it's not. With seasons coming they need to add value to ESO plus.

EDIT: I would say other options to purchase DLCs will be through the Season Pass moving forward.

KekwLord3000 · March 7

CalivoArtades wrote: »

It looks like non-ESO Plus players will have to wait a bit longer than until the console release date.

From today's article on the Exiled Redoubt dungeon:

"The Fallen Banners dungeon pack arrives for ESO Plus members alongside the Update 45 base game patch on March 10 on PC/Mac and March 26 for Xbox and Playstation consoles. Look for more details on additional ways to acquire Fallen Banners during the upcoming April ESO Direct.

Not necessarily, they said (in Jan) that they will realse the dlc for crowns when the dlc gets released on console and there will be other ways to get the dlcs. My guess? probably with endeavor points I doubt they gonna give us easy time to earn dlcs.

Jaimeh · March 7

Elvenheart wrote: »

I’m looking forward to that April ESO Direct! And what I’m wondering is if either of the new dungeons are soloable or if they will be too hard/have mechanics that prevent just one person on normal?

They are both soloable, I did them on an arcanist without a companion, and there were no mechanics issues when solo. I was on dps gear for all fights except the last boss in Exiled Redoubt, which I did with tankier sets.

licenturion · March 7

I just noticed they put this in the latest article about these dungeons:
Look for more details on additional ways to acquire Fallen Banners during the upcoming April ESO Direct.

So I guess they will probably introduce a 'buy year 2025 pass' with real money (not crowns) like chapters used to be where you get all the upcoming content packaged in 1 pack.

I assume a 'buy with crowns' will also be available down the line but I think they just want to prevent that people buy the dungeons with crowns day 1 and then feel ripped off when it is part of the 'year pass' if they already spend crowns on it. Or that people don't buy the year pass at all because they already have paid for a part of it.

This is all speculation of course, but seeing how ESO has been doing business and how other live service games do it, this makes the most sense to me.

TLDR: there will be no new content in the next patch for people who don't have (or want to be forced into) ESO+. It will probably for sale AFTER the April announcement/live stream.

Orbital78 · March 7

Check the previous dungeons similar message at bottom. It states for crowns shortly after console release. I can wait a few weeks, one of the sets looks okay and I'm mostly just looking forward to the green cp changes.

Ph1p · March 7

sans-culottes wrote: »

Gendizer wrote: »

Thanks for the reply. It's really sad that ZOS did this to the players.

No offense, but I don’t think they’ve done anything to players. Certainly nothing worth lamenting.

I get that many players are unaffected by this, but as a non-subscriber, ZOS has absolutely done something bad: They made the Crowns I already purchased worth less, because I can't use them to buy the DLC upon launch any more. They made it impossible for me to play with friends and guild-mates for a month. So no joint exploration or blind-running the new content, unless my buddies agree to wait (which I would never ever ask for) or I give up and re-sub again.

ZOS also didn't communicate this change in their DLC reveal stream, because they knew how bad it would look and how much instant backlash it would create. They didn't clarify the 4 week waiting period until there was significant negative feedback already. All this has done is erode my trust in ZOS' decision-makers and, ironically, my willingness to pay for future content...

EDIT: Typo

Thysbe · March 7

Ph1p wrote: »

So no joint exploration or blind-running the new content, unless my buddies agree to wait (which I would never ever ask for) or I give up and re-sub again.

I am in the same boat - got ESO+ for a month now, feels stale, and will get the dungeon in 2 weeks for crowns. I used to sub every now and then when i play more - doesn´t feel like I will do that that often in the future but as long as you can still get the dungeon for Trifecta runs and don´t need a constant subs I think it´s a compromise.

Gendizer · March 10

Note that while at launch ESO Plus membership is the only way to access the dungeon pack, there will be additional ways to acquire it in the future—stay tuned for more information during the April ESO Direct.

Shame on ZOS for this!

Varana · March 10

As someone who still has ESO+, this is a bad idea as well.
This is an MMO, I want to play it with friends and certain groups.
I gain nothing from exclusivity.
Apart from the fact that this trend of selling exclusive early access to games or content needs to die as soon as possible.
I'm not sure why "I can play this before other people" is a bonus I'd want to pay for, and again - especially not in an MMO where playing with other people is the actual point.
Like, I want people to have access to this DLC. As many as possible. Not this nonsense.

tomofhyrule · March 10

I have a feeling this is a small preview for their new pruchase method we'll see coming up with this mysterious 'seasons' system.

After all, if they're not doing Chapters anymore, that's a major revenue stream they're losing. A lot of people buy the Chapter for the trial, or for the zone, or for the other feature (new Class, new Skill Line, or new Minigame). That's $40 per sale on release. Without that... that's a lot of money they're not getting.

It all goes back to the big question we had in January: how will 'seasons' be monetized?

The feeling I'm getting (which is likely going to be way off base) is that they're essentially trying to move back to a sub model - you have a paid sub with ESO+ and can access everything as it comes out, or you don't. I even wouldn't be surprised if the basegame moves to free-to-play what with all of the 'new player' QoL things they're adding, and then they have ESO+ as the sub to get anything more than the basegame. But that makes me think that future DLCs will only be available as part of the sub. I even wouldn't be surprised if there's a 'season pass'-esque bundle you have to buy to get that season on release, and then it goes to ESO+ after said 'season' ends.

Again, I'm just spitballing here. But they did say they're going to be changing their model for DLCs in the future, and the loss of Chapters is going to be a revenue hit, so that will need to be made up somewhere. I guess we'll find out more next month (and I'm sure the salt will be flowing once that reveal happens).

sans-culottes · March 10

Ph1p wrote: »

sans-culottes wrote: »

Gendizer wrote: »

Thanks for the reply. It's really sad that ZOS did this to the players.

No offense, but I don’t think they’ve done anything to players. Certainly nothing worth lamenting.

I get that many players are unaffected by this, but as a non-subscriber, ZOS has absolutely done something bad: They made the Crowns I already purchased worth less, because I can't use them to buy the DLC upon launch any more. They made it impossible for me to play with friends and guild-mates for two weeks. So no joint exploration or blind-running the new content, unless my buddies agree to wait (which I would never ever ask for) or I give up and re-sub again.

ZOS also didn't communicate this change in their DLC reveal stream, because they knew how bad it would look and how much instant backlash it would create. They didn't clarify the 2 week waiting period until there was significant negative feedback already. All this has done is erode my trust in ZOS' decision-makers and, ironically, my willingness to pay for future content...

EDIT: Typo

This has not devalued the Crowns you bought from them, though.

Ph1p · March 10

sans-culottes wrote: »

Ph1p wrote: »

sans-culottes wrote: »

Gendizer wrote: »

Thanks for the reply. It's really sad that ZOS did this to the players.

No offense, but I don’t think they’ve done anything to players. Certainly nothing worth lamenting.

I get that many players are unaffected by this, but as a non-subscriber, ZOS has absolutely done something bad: They made the Crowns I already purchased worth less, because I can't use them to buy the DLC upon launch any more. They made it impossible for me to play with friends and guild-mates for two weeks. So no joint exploration or blind-running the new content, unless my buddies agree to wait (which I would never ever ask for) or I give up and re-sub again.

ZOS also didn't communicate this change in their DLC reveal stream, because they knew how bad it would look and how much instant backlash it would create. They didn't clarify the 2 week waiting period until there was significant negative feedback already. All this has done is erode my trust in ZOS' decision-makers and, ironically, my willingness to pay for future content...

EDIT: Typo

This has not devalued the Crowns you bought from them, though.

Of course it has devalued Crowns. People have used Crowns to buy dungeon DLCs and were able to do so since the very first one. Some may have even stocked up on Crowns during the last sale at the end of 2024 in anticipation of the Q1 2025 update. But now I can't buy dungeons on launch day any more and lose out on playing with friends and guild mates unless I sub. This absolutely devalues my Crowns.

Imagine receiving an Apple Store gift card last Christmas, but now the store tells you that from 2025 onward it's not valid for the newest generation of products any more. Is the gift card still worth the same as before?

DenverRalphy · March 10

Ph1p wrote: »

sans-culottes wrote: »

Ph1p wrote: »

sans-culottes wrote: »

Gendizer wrote: »

Thanks for the reply. It's really sad that ZOS did this to the players.

No offense, but I don’t think they’ve done anything to players. Certainly nothing worth lamenting.

I get that many players are unaffected by this, but as a non-subscriber, ZOS has absolutely done something bad: They made the Crowns I already purchased worth less, because I can't use them to buy the DLC upon launch any more. They made it impossible for me to play with friends and guild-mates for two weeks. So no joint exploration or blind-running the new content, unless my buddies agree to wait (which I would never ever ask for) or I give up and re-sub again.

ZOS also didn't communicate this change in their DLC reveal stream, because they knew how bad it would look and how much instant backlash it would create. They didn't clarify the 2 week waiting period until there was significant negative feedback already. All this has done is erode my trust in ZOS' decision-makers and, ironically, my willingness to pay for future content...

EDIT: Typo

This has not devalued the Crowns you bought from them, though.

Of course it has devalued Crowns. People have used Crowns to buy dungeon DLCs and were able to do so since the very first one. Some may have even stocked up on Crowns during the last sale at the end of 2024 in anticipation of the Q1 2025 update. But now I can't buy dungeons on launch day any more and lose out on playing with friends and guild mates unless I sub. This absolutely devalues my Crowns.

Imagine receiving an Apple Store gift card last Christmas, but now the store tells you that from 2025 onward it's not valid for the newest generation of products any more. Is the gift card still worth the same as before?

That analagy is flawed. It's not like you can't buy the DLC with crowns at all. You just can't buy the DLC right now. And in two weeks the DLC will still be "newest generation".

The value of crowns isn't dependent upon a "first adopter" factor.

SeaGtGruff · March 10

Ph1p wrote: »

ZOS also didn't communicate this change in their DLC reveal stream, because they knew how bad it would look and how much instant backlash it would create. They didn't clarify the 2 week waiting period until there was significant negative feedback already.

By "this change," do you mean that the new dungeons would be available only through ESO Plus at launch? Because if that's what you mean, then I thought they did mention it during the reveal?

Also, I'm not sure whether the DLC will be added to the Crown Store at the same time as its launch on consoles, or if it will be added sometime after that. We need to wait and see about that.

Ph1p · March 10

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Ph1p wrote: »

sans-culottes wrote: »

Ph1p wrote: »

sans-culottes wrote: »

Gendizer wrote: »

Thanks for the reply. It's really sad that ZOS did this to the players.

No offense, but I don’t think they’ve done anything to players. Certainly nothing worth lamenting.

I get that many players are unaffected by this, but as a non-subscriber, ZOS has absolutely done something bad: They made the Crowns I already purchased worth less, because I can't use them to buy the DLC upon launch any more. They made it impossible for me to play with friends and guild-mates for two weeks. So no joint exploration or blind-running the new content, unless my buddies agree to wait (which I would never ever ask for) or I give up and re-sub again.

ZOS also didn't communicate this change in their DLC reveal stream, because they knew how bad it would look and how much instant backlash it would create. They didn't clarify the 2 week waiting period until there was significant negative feedback already. All this has done is erode my trust in ZOS' decision-makers and, ironically, my willingness to pay for future content...

EDIT: Typo

This has not devalued the Crowns you bought from them, though.

Of course it has devalued Crowns. People have used Crowns to buy dungeon DLCs and were able to do so since the very first one. Some may have even stocked up on Crowns during the last sale at the end of 2024 in anticipation of the Q1 2025 update. But now I can't buy dungeons on launch day any more and lose out on playing with friends and guild mates unless I sub. This absolutely devalues my Crowns.

Imagine receiving an Apple Store gift card last Christmas, but now the store tells you that from 2025 onward it's not valid for the newest generation of products any more. Is the gift card still worth the same as before?

That analagy is flawed. It's not like you can't buy the DLC with crowns at all. You just can't buy the DLC right now. And in two weeks the DLC will still be "newest generation".

The value of crowns isn't dependent upon a "first adopter" factor.

Look, I'm glad that this two weeks 1 month delay doesn't make a difference for you. Personally, my favorite part of dungeons is exploring them with my friends and guild mates, learning the mechanics together, and jointly progressing towards achievements. The reality is that two weeks 1 month makes a world of difference for this kind of play style. You're right, the analogy is flawed, because whether I have the latest iPhone or not, it doesn't stop me from connecting with my buddies. Delaying the DLC for non-subscribers actually does.

And let's not forget: It wasn't a 2-week 1-month delay from the start, as ZOS only announced it a few weeks after the reveal stream. Best case, they forgot to share that crucial information. Worst case, they preferred an even longer delay to push up the value of ESO+ and wanted to check reactions first.

Finally, let's say you're right. Let's say most people aren't like me and don't care about this short delay of 2 weeks 1 month. But then I wonder: What's the point of all this then? Why create this hassle for some non-subscribers? If it's not a big deal, it won't drive people to subscribe, so why make such a customer-unfriendly move? Ironically, I've been very curious about the April reveal and would have definitely considered re-subbing, if it turned out promising. But now...

EDIT: Updated to reflect the confirmation below.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom · March 10

Hi everyone. We realize the "after console launch" detail for when the Fallen Banners dungeons will be available for purchase in the Crown Store was a bit vague. At the time, we were still firming up dates for our ESO Direct. We can confirm that the dungeons will be available in the Crown Store for purchase on April 10 sometime after the ESO Direct. This is part of the transition period as noted in Matt Firor's message and we'll talk about more details during the upcoming ESO Direct.

Ph1p · March 10

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone. We realize the "after console launch" detail for when the Fallen Banners dungeons will be available for purchase in the Crown Store was a bit vague. At the time, we were still firming up dates for our ESO Direct. We can confirm that the dungeons will be available in the Crown Store for purchase on April 10 sometime after the ESO Direct. This is part of the transition period as noted in Matt Firor's message and we'll talk about more details during the upcoming ESO Direct.

Hi Jessica, thank you very much for the update and confirmation. So in other words, non-subscribers need to wait a full month until April 10 to purchase the Fallen Banners DLC from the Crown Store.

Well... at least now we know... not sure what else to say to this...

licenturion · March 10

Seeing the official communication above, I am pretty sure they will announce a ‘Year pass’ that includes all the coming updates for the next year. This pass will probably include the dungeons as well.

If they made them available now and people will buy them, then they will be mad in April that they already paid for a part of the year pass. Then they have to make 2 year pass versions, which complicates things further.

The fact that the game displays that you must purchase the dungeons in the store is giving me the assumption that this is a one off and they didn’t feel the need to program a whole new system for this.

I don’t agree with it though. IMO they should have just withheld/disabled the dungeons until this stream mess is sorted out. And for a lot of people today’s patch is a total nothing burger. If you don’t keep up with the news, many people won’t even know about the dungeons because there is no advertisement in-game either.

LatentBuzzard · March 10

Ph1p wrote: »

Well... at least now we know... not sure what else to say to this...

Well if you really wanted to know what else to say to this, that whould be... why ?

ZOS has always made the new dungeons available for purchase once they were released on PC and PC hasn't had to wait for them to be released on console as well. So why the change now ? The only explanation that ZOS gives is that it's part of the transition period which is the sort nothing statement that gets thrown out to sound plausible without actually saying anything or meaning anything. So why is ZOS doing this ? Why the change ?

Well ZOS's post above added to the nothing statement by saying that they're actually waiting for the ESO Direct before they're available to purchase which finally suggests why they've made this change now... They're changing how you purchase the dungeons and that will be announced in the ESO Direct. Maybe you'll still be able to purchase them à la carte, maybe you'll only be able to purchase them as part of a season / battle pass. If you're lucky, maybe you'll have the option of either.

sans-culottes · March 10

Ph1p wrote: »

sans-culottes wrote: »

Ph1p wrote: »

sans-culottes wrote: »

Gendizer wrote: »

Thanks for the reply. It's really sad that ZOS did this to the players.

No offense, but I don’t think they’ve done anything to players. Certainly nothing worth lamenting.

I get that many players are unaffected by this, but as a non-subscriber, ZOS has absolutely done something bad: They made the Crowns I already purchased worth less, because I can't use them to buy the DLC upon launch any more. They made it impossible for me to play with friends and guild-mates for two weeks. So no joint exploration or blind-running the new content, unless my buddies agree to wait (which I would never ever ask for) or I give up and re-sub again.

ZOS also didn't communicate this change in their DLC reveal stream, because they knew how bad it would look and how much instant backlash it would create. They didn't clarify the 2 week waiting period until there was significant negative feedback already. All this has done is erode my trust in ZOS' decision-makers and, ironically, my willingness to pay for future content...

EDIT: Typo

This has not devalued the Crowns you bought from them, though.

Of course it has devalued Crowns. People have used Crowns to buy dungeon DLCs and were able to do so since the very first one. Some may have even stocked up on Crowns during the last sale at the end of 2024 in anticipation of the Q1 2025 update. But now I can't buy dungeons on launch day any more and lose out on playing with friends and guild mates unless I sub. This absolutely devalues my Crowns.

Imagine receiving an Apple Store gift card last Christmas, but now the store tells you that from 2025 onward it's not valid for the newest generation of products any more. Is the gift card still worth the same as before?

That’s not the same thing at all, though. Their value is still what it was before. This has literally in no way devalued anything. It just means you have to do one of a few things: Wait 14 days, subscribe to ESO+, or don’t.

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Ph1p wrote: »

sans-culottes wrote: »

Ph1p wrote: »

sans-culottes wrote: »

Gendizer wrote: »

Thanks for the reply. It's really sad that ZOS did this to the players.

No offense, but I don’t think they’ve done anything to players. Certainly nothing worth lamenting.

I get that many players are unaffected by this, but as a non-subscriber, ZOS has absolutely done something bad: They made the Crowns I already purchased worth less, because I can't use them to buy the DLC upon launch any more. They made it impossible for me to play with friends and guild-mates for two weeks. So no joint exploration or blind-running the new content, unless my buddies agree to wait (which I would never ever ask for) or I give up and re-sub again.

ZOS also didn't communicate this change in their DLC reveal stream, because they knew how bad it would look and how much instant backlash it would create. They didn't clarify the 2 week waiting period until there was significant negative feedback already. All this has done is erode my trust in ZOS' decision-makers and, ironically, my willingness to pay for future content...

EDIT: Typo

This has not devalued the Crowns you bought from them, though.

Of course it has devalued Crowns. People have used Crowns to buy dungeon DLCs and were able to do so since the very first one. Some may have even stocked up on Crowns during the last sale at the end of 2024 in anticipation of the Q1 2025 update. But now I can't buy dungeons on launch day any more and lose out on playing with friends and guild mates unless I sub. This absolutely devalues my Crowns.

Imagine receiving an Apple Store gift card last Christmas, but now the store tells you that from 2025 onward it's not valid for the newest generation of products any more. Is the gift card still worth the same as before?

That analagy is flawed. It's not like you can't buy the DLC with crowns at all. You just can't buy the DLC right now. And in two weeks the DLC will still be "newest generation".

The value of crowns isn't dependent upon a "first adopter" factor.

This. I know some folks are disappointed, but that’s not what it means for something to be devalued.

Thysbe · March 10

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

We can confirm that the dungeons will be available in the Crown Store for purchase on April 10 sometime after the ESO Direct.

for clarification and to probably avoid futher misunderstanding - is that now a confirmation, the we can buy the dungeon on the 10 of April or that it will be relased "sometime after ESO direkt. Since ESO Direct is on the 10th do you mean right after the reaveal stream or do you still keep the time window open only telling us we wont get it before the 10th of April?

ZOS_JessicaFolsom · March 10

Thysbe wrote: »

Since ESO Direct is on the 10th "available on the 10th of April" is not the same as "sometime after the ESO direkt". Or do you mean right after the ESO direct.

On April 10 sometime following the ESO Direct. (Depending on when they go up in the store after the livestream and what timezone you're in, I guess it could be April 11th.)