My point of view.
Perhaps it will be accepted by others, and may not.

I am a very lazy person in this game. Not the achiever.
Just loving the atmosphere and the TES universe.
I am opening it for pleasure.

And I do love comfort and fancy things, that is why I am ESO+ subscriber.
And when I go to do this messy event to get my tickets and golden pursuits - I am driven into a dirty mess when I am grinded by others and feel myself very bad for my own money.


I don't care about 'reality' (I know it's PvP zone, players are hostile, I know what I do, etc...)
I don't care.
I got the event, I want my ticket and pursuits. I paid for the game.

Why should I suffer from the wave of grinders?
This event is not changing for YEARS.
May I have my comfort for my money? May ZoS change something, work on game, control something and not only gather the subscribers money?

I paid for the pleasure and my mood is down, [snip]

[edited for bashing]

I understand why players get frustrated when they are being defeated while just trying to quest. I got pretty frustrated myself, because every time I'd get to a town and start working on the quests another faction would show up and take the town for themselves.

So what did I do about it? I vented to my friend who suggested the lower populated campaigns where I was able to get my quests done. I was even able to complete the zone map on one character that still had a few areas to discover.

What didn't I do? I didn't call other players bullies and make them out to be bad people for PvPing in a PvP zone during a PvP event.

Calastir wrote: »

These nonconsensual PvP'ers went through a lot of trouble to earn their tickets and reward. To camp at their quest point just to grief them is bullying. You keep polishing, but the counterargument remains a turd.

If this is bulliying, than it should viloate ToS.
Go on, commit a ticket.
Tell ZoS that PvP in PvP zone shouldnt be allowed unless both players consent. Imagine they will come up with system in wich you have to offer other player a fight, and you are allowed to fight only when they accept it.

Oh wait... Its already in the game and called a DUEL. Wich you can decline. You can even go as far as decline any duel invintation by deafault. Sadly for you and players like you who shouldnt enter PvP zones, in said zones game is designed around 3 allinces fighting each other. You are consenting to that upon enter PvP zone, period.

Unless ZoS would come up with non-allince characters who cannot be targeted in said zone, nothing you can do about people ganking you while you questing.

Went for a lot of trouble of... playing the game thew way its indented to play? If it troubles you, try just not participating in activities you dont like, alright?

Here is my $0.02 cents:

To set my opening perspective: I don't like meta builds. I like having RP "theme" builds, and sometimes these are actually better for PVP than PVE, other times they're better for PVE than PVP. Either way, I don't expect to do vet trifecta trials with mega endgame supergroups in PVE, and I don't expect to get all my murderdeathkills in PVP.

PVE is a lot easier to do with theme builds, because things are "predictable" and there's rote lists and structures of execution that make it easier to find themed ways of achieving the necessary buffs and debuffs - even if, again, it's not FULLY OPTIMIZED, at least it's good enough that I'd be confident tackling any Vet DLC Dungeon pug group in the game (still not trifectas though, for emphasis).

There are sometimes rewards that I want from PVE that I have to look past getting; other times, there are rewards that I want from PVP that I can never have (at my current rate of progress, I might hit Legate before the asteriod hits earth in 2032).

both of those statements apply to event rewards as often as not.

I do hunt people in PVP. I'm not a PVPer - I consider myself an RPer more than anything, but a PVEr in the sense this thread means if I had to choose. But I'm not scared of a fight, and I'm eager to test myself and my skill - even if losing is far more likely than winning. So for my part, I simply do the things in the game I enjoy, and do not do the things I *don't* enjoy, in the full recognizance I'm conceding the rewards for not doing those things I don't enjoy.

For this event, I have enjoyed PVP. Partly because I think it gives me fair fights; part of the reason I don't PVP in the "off-season" / off-events is because it really does become a full-time job to even offer competition. I don't consider my chances of winning to be even fifteen percent, in the off-season, in any given engagement. But the event does help.

As for Questers? I do try not to bully them in general - but I do think they have a fighting chance against me in a way they don't against a lot of other PVP-spec builds, and am not afraid to confront them and challenge them. However, once challenged (i.e. once I run up to them and cast a buff or debuff) it's easy to tell if they concede the fight (/don't fight back) or if they are willing to engage. The ones that do not resist, I will not kill. I consider the buffing and running up to be a "challenge" of sorts, a statement of intent that lets the enemy player reply with their own - and yes, sometimes it's a PVP player and they obliterate me. C'est la vie, it's not like I'm any good at the game anyways. haha!

necro_the_crafter wrote: »

On a bullying subject, PvE is a lot more toxic than that geting ganked once in while.

And now this guy talking about how PvP in PvP zone shouldnt be allowed. Not understanding that not liking PvP is personal issue, its an issue with the game or community, its YOU who dont like PvP. Just not participate then. Why would do something you dont like? Game is about having fun, if PvP is unfun for you and makes you feel bullied dont do PvP then.

Just. Dont. Do. PvP. Allright?

I would if I could.
I really think that putting in a row PvE and PvP events (same tickets, same rewards) make whole the idea of event revards unfair.

Being PvE player, you have to get the tickets from PvP event if you wanna have a season reward of the year (mount, house, emotion from Impresario) as well. Otherwise, you won't get enough tickets. But if your arms are growing not from your 'PvP chackra' - you will doomed to suffer of failure.

It's like swimming champions are driven into football game without any chance to win.

And, if you dig the thought deeper, it was done to involve more players, to earn more money.

ZoS did this for money

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

TheMajority wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

DestroyerPewnack wrote: »

Filthy ganker here...
I spent a few good hours ganking PvE players at the villages. It was the funniest thing ever.
One time I was ganking 3 PvE players. I killed the first two, but I was 1 HP by the time I turned to kill the third. He just held block and didn't finish me off. So, I let him live. Other than that, I killed every single player on sight.
My favorite time of the year, to be honest.

I understand it's probably frustrating for PvE players, so here are some recommendations:

1. Skip the event. 99% of this game is PvE, and there is plenty of other things to do.

2. Go in a group, guild or otherwise, preferably with PvP veterans who can watch over you. Most decent PvP players can quickly finish off gankers, and can keep other actual PvP players occupied while you finish your quests.

"Ha ha bullying funny"

It baffles me every time someone thinks this way.

I personally don't see it as 'bullying'.

I don't really have to understand why some people derive entertainment from this behaviour either to acknowledge the fact that it is entertainment and the developers are happy to provide it.

They set the stage for players to be the source of entertainment for other players whether they want to [be] or not. This is not an abuse of the system, is working within the parameters set by the system.

If the developers were not happy with it they would have addressed it already like they have addressed many other things that they originally put in the game and then disliked, grew disillusioned with or in some cases even resentful of how they were being used/approached

Bullying is a form of aggressive behavior in which someone intentionally and repeatedly causes another person injury or discomfort.

So let's not mince words. The guy I reacted to admitted that he'd spent a few good hours 'ganking PvE players at the villages' and thought it was the funniest thing ever, even though he understands it's probably frustrating for the PvE players.

Textbook definition of bullying, and lots of PvE players lost their chance to earn tickets during this event because of this bullying. Trying to justify this, and devs even creating this situation on purpose is wrong.

I feel bullied by PVE players who constantly try to browbeat me into not defending myself when they attacks me first because they under an illusion that it's "bullying" to get killed in a PVP zone

How can YOU feel bullied if attacked by a player in a PvP zone if you say bullying in a PvP zone is an illusion?

I feel bullied by being whispered "don't attack me I'm pve" when they attack me first, NOT BY THE ATTACK

FemmeInfernale wrote: »

I would if I could.
I really think that putting in a row PvE and PvP events (same tickets, same rewards) make whole the idea of event revards unfair.

Being PvE player, you have to get the tickets from PvP event if you wanna have a season reward of the year (mount, house, emotion from Impresario) as well. Otherwise, you won't get enough tickets. But if your arms are growing not from your 'PvP chackra' - you will doomed to suffer of failure.

It's like swimming champions are driven into football game without any chance to win.

And, if you dig the thought deeper, it was done to involve more players, to earn more money.

ZoS did this for money

Getting a ticket from a town quest and IC should take no longer than run through a normal dungeon. In which you may or may not encounter any opposing player. Or you might, and ocasionaly diying is gonna set you back 2-5 minutes. Its not that big of a deal as some people make it out to be. Lets say you just paying "PvE'er in PvP zone toll" for you tickets with your ocasional deaths to more agressive/ganker player.

If you chose to participate than I belive that you think that to die a few time is worth it for the rewards, and accepted that encounter with not so friendly player is to be expected.

My "PvPe'er in PvE toll" is during undaunted events - slaping a taunt on my PvP chars and doing my least favourite role in PvE for the sake of rewards. And I never had a slightest idea to complain about that, because im fine with it, and think that rewards are worth it.

However some people, think that tickets, and boon boxes somehow misticaly forcing players into PvP against their will and PvP community in general bulliyng them on purpose for that.

ragnarok6644b14_ESO wrote: »

To set my opening perspective: I don't like meta builds. I like having RP "theme" builds, and sometimes these are actually better for PVP than PVE, other times they're better for PVE than PVP. Either way, I don't expect to do vet trifecta trials with mega endgame supergroups in PVE, and I don't expect to get all my murderdeathkills in PVP.

Thats my friend is real PvP issue you pointed out, there is not much build diversity in current state of the game. even like 15 patches ago thematic builds worked semi-decent, not quite faceshredding but could hold their own. And right now its either select two sets or nothing. But that the story for another topic.

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Edit: Oh wait, you meant the merchant who sells set gear. Yeah, that too.

Yeea, from town merchants boxes are like 8k AP cheaper, some makes a lot of sense to buy from them.

Granted, I have plenty of issues, which I have discussed at length, with PvP and the PvP community. Especially in IC.

With that said, all of the people complaining about being attacked when they're just peacefully doing quests (which, for the record, they're almost never "peacefully" doing anything as soon as a second member of their faction shows up and they find some gumption in their boots) is kind of wild to me.

It's like shark attacks. Shark attacks are super easy to prevent: Don't go into the ocean. They can't come out and get ya.

PvP zones are the same way. Sharks live there. Is every shark going to kill you? No. But the one shark that wants to kill you is also there. The best way (and the only sure way) to avoid that shark is to stay out of the water. At the very least, if you're going into the water, you've got to be aware of and prepared for the possibility that a shark might show up. And it might try to eat you.

And even the sharks that don't want to kill you may still accidentally take a bite out of you. I was defending Bruma from a duo, we just had a heckin' fight on the dolmen flag that I somehow won, probably through luck, since I have no right to even be entering 1vX, much less winning it. I was pumped and pleased with myself. I ran around to the outlier flag, and ran past another member of the same faction. Assuming they were also here to flip Bruma, I unloaded a Surprise Attack as they passed me and came around to engage.

Then I noticed that my single Surprise Attack had taken them from 100% to somewhere around 30ish%. I was like "Oh. That's a quester. Oops. Nevermind!" and disengaged.

If I hadn't noticed their health before coming about for a full broadside, I'd have shredded them. The point being, sharks sometimes mistake surfers for food.

I understand that we'd all like to have the option to enjoy the ocean without worrying about sharks. But they're there, and they're dangerous, so entering the ocean means being prepared to encounter one. Especially since we (sharks) have no way to know who's another shark and who's a surfer, except by how quickly they die when we bite them.

I feel like IC is too full of sharks (bigger sharks than me) and I'm tired of being sharked there. So I don't go there. I stay out of that part of the ocean.

(Point of clarification: shark attacks are very rare, don't get mad at sharks IRL, they're just a vehicle for my metaphor.)

VoxAdActa wrote: »

Granted, I have plenty of issues, which I have discussed at length, with PvP and the PvP community. Especially in IC.

With that said, all of the people complaining about being attacked when they're just peacefully doing quests (which, for the record, they're almost never "peacefully" doing anything as soon as a second member of their faction shows up and they find some gumption in their boots) is kind of wild to me.

It's like shark attacks. Shark attacks are super easy to prevent: Don't go into the ocean. They can't come out and get ya.

PvP zones are the same way. Sharks live there. Is every shark going to kill you? No. But the one shark that wants to kill you is also there. The best way (and the only sure way) to avoid that shark is to stay out of the water. At the very least, if you're going into the water, you've got to be aware of and prepared for the possibility that a shark might show up. And it might try to eat you.

And even the sharks that don't want to kill you may still accidentally take a bite out of you. I was defending Bruma from a duo, we just had a heckin' fight on the dolmen flag that I somehow won, probably through luck, since I have no right to even be entering 1vX, much less winning it. I was pumped and pleased with myself. I ran around to the outlier flag, and ran past another member of the same faction. Assuming they were also here to flip Bruma, I unloaded a Surprise Attack as they passed me and came around to engage.

Then I noticed that my single Surprise Attack had taken them from 100% to somewhere around 30ish%. I was like "Oh. That's a quester. Oops. Nevermind!" and disengaged.

If I hadn't noticed their health before coming about for a full broadside, I'd have shredded them. The point being, sharks sometimes mistake surfers for food.

I understand that we'd all like to have the option to enjoy the ocean without worrying about sharks. But they're there, and they're dangerous, so entering the ocean means being prepared to encounter one. Especially since we (sharks) have no way to know who's another shark and who's a surfer, except by how quickly they die when we bite them.

I feel like IC is too full of sharks (bigger sharks than me) and I'm tired of being sharked there. So I don't go there. I stay out of that part of the ocean.

(Point of clarification: shark attacks are very rare, don't get mad at sharks IRL, they're just a vehicle for my metaphor.)

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Personally, I feel that quest turn in locations should be safe spaces similar to how IC has quest givers in the safe areas and the vendors in ic as well.

Just me though. And it likely won't change.

Best thing I can do is this. If your going into pvp lands as a pve player. Get a group of 2- 7 or more and quest together. Most of the time pvp players that hit towns are in small groups or solo.

You might wanna call in zone chat, if a ganker or other aggresive player is spoted in the town. Most of the times someone expirinced will come and hunt them down. A lot of PvPers also have no soft feelings for gankers.

If I'm in Cyrodiil or IC and you are on AD or DC, I'm attacking you. Doesn't matter if they just hit lvl 10 and its their first time ever in PVP or it's a seasoned ball group, I'm attacking. Good thing i don't care about my KD ratio!

FemmeInfernale wrote: »

The perfect solution to me is to make the Whitestrake event separated from the PvE events. Other type of tickets, other rewards, maybe some new rank system.

'All I wanna say is that they don't really care about us" (c)

Yeah making it have its own rewards would be nice, however some PvE would still come there and will tell people that they are forced by mysterious powers to do so.

Its okay to die in video game. I never considered myself a master of PvP by any mesuare, there is planty of players that are better than me, and amount of times I, and even better players die to gankers and zergs and Xv1'ers and 1vX'ers in one PvP evening is a little bit more than i wish to admit. But thats the general thing about games with combat like that - you are going to die at some point.

FemmeInfernale wrote: »

But that's the thing, this is not about time. I would gladly spend more time in game!
It's not about 'patience' or 'endure-to-achieve'.

It's about the pain I feel.
I feel pain being ganked from my backside with 3 slashes and making no 'answer hits'.
Sometimes I even cry
You may concider me to be a dweeb or so, I don't wanna play hero.

My girlfriend is actualy pretty much like that, once I reccomended her to try dark souls III, she started the game, and I found her 10 minutes later lying on the floor and crying. She also said that every attack on her felt like she had been stabed physicaly. We lughed this off and she continued, beated first boss, she was so inspired by her victory I thought she would explode.She never touched the the again since.

I guess that phenomena of people feeling for the character has to do with over-empathic people and anxiety. In that case I wish you a best of luck, and more friendly players on the field.

FemmeInfernale wrote: »

But game creators will never do so. They need more people to be involved.
More people = more transactions.

'All I wanna say is that they don't really care about us" (c)

Sounds like tinfoil theory, but Its not hard to belive that commercial company would put thier income over anything else, if its not breaking the law. Things like nerfing one sets(caluurion, dark convergance) to realese stronger copycats of them(tarnished, RoA) not so long after also comes to mind.

FemmeInfernale wrote: »

necro_the_crafter wrote: »

Getting a ticket from a town quest and IC should take no longer than run through a normal dungeon. In which you may or may not encounter any opposing player. Or you might, and ocasionaly diying is gonna set you back 2-5 minutes. Its not that big of a deal as some people make it out to be. Lets say you just paying "PvE'er in PvP zone toll" for you tickets with your ocasional deaths to more agressive/ganker player.

If you chose to participate than I belive that you think that to die a few time is worth it for the rewards, and accepted that encounter with not so friendly player is to be expected.

My "PvPe'er in PvE toll" is during undaunted events - slaping a taunt on my PvP chars and doing my least favourite role in PvE for the sake of rewards. And I never had a slightest idea to complain about that, because im fine with it, and think that rewards are worth it.

However some people, think that tickets, and boon boxes somehow misticaly forcing players into PvP against their will and PvP community in general bulliyng them on purpose for that.

Thank you for your comment. I absolutely agree with you.
Besides, being a good PvP player is an art I'll never master.

Paying some hard minutes to achieve a goal is a point.

But that's the thing, this is not about time. I would gladly spend more time in game!
It's not about 'patience' or 'endure-to-achieve'.

It's about the pain I feel.
I feel pain being ganked from my backside with 3 slashes and making no 'answer hits'.
Sometimes I even cry
You may concider me to be a dweeb or so, I don't wanna play hero.

I feel the pain I paid for with my money.

I am driven into a painful activity I would never enter if not a ticket collection.
Golden pursuits made this event even wilder and more ruthless (cause every ganker are motivated double).

PvP is a prerogative of predators, I would happily let them be.
But being out of this.

The perfect solution to me is to make the Whitestrake event separated from the PvE events. Other type of tickets, other rewards, maybe some new rank system.

But game creators will never do so. They need more people to be involved.
More people = more transactions.

'All I wanna say is that they don't really care about us" (c)

I get the feeling that you don't know you can get all of the ticket-purchased rewards for the year without doing MYM. You can skip it and won't miss anything except a little harvesting emote that gets old after like the third ore vein.

You don't have to do this event to still get the most current pet morph thing. You don't have to do this event for style pages (they're super cheap in guildstores right now because there are so many for sale). You don't have to do this event at all. You won't be locked out of any of the ticket rewards if you skip it. You can just not do it.

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

TheMajority wrote: »

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

TheMajority wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

Calastir wrote: »

DestroyerPewnack wrote: »

Filthy ganker here...
I spent a few good hours ganking PvE players at the villages. It was the funniest thing ever.
One time I was ganking 3 PvE players. I killed the first two, but I was 1 HP by the time I turned to kill the third. He just held block and didn't finish me off. So, I let him live. Other than that, I killed every single player on sight.
My favorite time of the year, to be honest.

I understand it's probably frustrating for PvE players, so here are some recommendations:

1. Skip the event. 99% of this game is PvE, and there is plenty of other things to do.

2. Go in a group, guild or otherwise, preferably with PvP veterans who can watch over you. Most decent PvP players can quickly finish off gankers, and can keep other actual PvP players occupied while you finish your quests.

"Ha ha bullying funny"

It baffles me every time someone thinks this way.

I personally don't see it as 'bullying'.

I don't really have to understand why some people derive entertainment from this behaviour either to acknowledge the fact that it is entertainment and the developers are happy to provide it.

They set the stage for players to be the source of entertainment for other players whether they want to [be] or not. This is not an abuse of the system, is working within the parameters set by the system.

If the developers were not happy with it they would have addressed it already like they have addressed many other things that they originally put in the game and then disliked, grew disillusioned with or in some cases even resentful of how they were being used/approached

Bullying is a form of aggressive behavior in which someone intentionally and repeatedly causes another person injury or discomfort.

So let's not mince words. The guy I reacted to admitted that he'd spent a few good hours 'ganking PvE players at the villages' and thought it was the funniest thing ever, even though he understands it's probably frustrating for the PvE players.

Textbook definition of bullying, and lots of PvE players lost their chance to earn tickets during this event because of this bullying. Trying to justify this, and devs even creating this situation on purpose is wrong.

I feel bullied by PVE players who constantly try to browbeat me into not defending myself when they attacks me first because they under an illusion that it's "bullying" to get killed in a PVP zone

How can YOU feel bullied if attacked by a player in a PvP zone if you say bullying in a PvP zone is an illusion?

I feel bullied by being whispered "don't attack me I'm pve" when they attack me first, NOT BY THE ATTACK

If they initiate PvP behavior by attacking you first, then they have ZERO right to say "don't attack me I'm PvE." They ARE NOT PvE if they start a fight in a PvP zone.
And you saying you feel bullied by that is just a disingenuous dig at people who claimed they are being bullied.

(I'm not one of those. My stance is that PvEers who voluntarily enter the two PvP zones [EVERYONE enters voluntarily] cannot expect to be left alone. The chances of getting ganked can be mitigated, though not completely. There is always a risk while you are in the zone(s).
However, the PvPers who gleefully grief questers could behave better and pick on people who are there to actually PvP. Purposely griefing players you know are PvEers just because you can is cowardly.)

So you decide to bully me by calling me disingenuous when I share my feelings about the scenario and abuse I get in a whisper...? I really do not appreciate to be attacked in this way by you when I am sharing my honest feeling. You seem to be reading a intent that is not there, sorry if you are having trouble with miscommunication. It happens some times that people miscommunicate but it is not an excuse to come at me as a person. I do not lie, it is against my beleifs.

This thread got derailed into the same conversation that has been here for ages. Instead arriving at the point that PvP should be as consensual as possible. It's very common for PvP players to leave each other alone. Ball group players are blacklisted on community servers for chasing solo player or small scalers. 3rd partying someone dueling is considered bad manners as well. Cyrodill is not as simple as you see someone -> you kill someone. Most PvP players will try and judge if someone wants to fight or not(keeps are implicit consent).This goes back to my original point, PvE players / Questers have gotten a reputation for 3rd partying, if you're in this group and want to be left alone, stop 3rd partying. Then the majority of players will also leave you alone. But as long as the average experience of PvP players is that PvE specs will 3rd party me as soon as I start a fight. They will kill them on sight. No actual PvP player endorses the idea that everyone is fair game. Even if you're an alliance lock Andy. The person whom you just 3rd partyed might be your next BG team mate. PvP is a large string of unspoken rules and balances. And avoid 3rd partying is one of those rules. So don't do if you want to stay in the good books.

I'm a PVE player, I don't care for PVP whatsoever. I don't understand what other PVE-ers are complaining about; sure you're "only questing" but you're in a PVP Zone, expect to die, or be targeted, that's literally what Cyrodiil is for. If you can't handle being killed by other players, you're best not entering Cyrodiil