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It Is Time To Suspend The Subscription

  • Ojustaboo
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    I never cease to be amazed at Fan-Boyz blindness to the factual state of a game. No matter how obvious it is. They will defend it against all logic and reason. Decry any attempt to correct its march to failure. And oppose any step that might help the game, but at the same time admit there might be a problem of any sort. So tragic, so typical.

    So anyone who has a different opinion to you is a fanboy. That comment along with what you decided to call yourself, says a lot about you in my opinion.

    I'm going to yet again repost part of a post I have made in the past few days.
    My guild is a smallish guild that has played a few mmos. We have 51 playing ESO and only one isn't subbing at the moment but that's due to real life issues.

    Yes I think the CS has been awful, yes there are things that need urgently addressing (how long it sometimes takes to log into Cyrodiil for example) but this is not the game it was a month ago, many many things have been fixed.

    My main is just finishing Rivenspire, when I started playing, every single dungeon had bots in, some quests couldn't be completed, playing pvp with vamps and their bats became almost pointless.

    Now:
    I started an alt, have done the first 2 starter islands and 3/4 through Glenumbra and not found one quest bug or one bot in any dungeon.

    I am on the last couple of quests in Rivenspire, having recently completed the excellent quest chain in Doomcrag. Not found one of them bugged, not had to re log to get something to spawn, all been perfect.

    I have done all 5 of the scull and crossbones bosses, all public dungeons and I have not come across 1 bot in any of them in fact when I had fun finding obsidian scar very challenging by myself, I joked in guild chat saying if only they hadn't got rid of the bots, I wouldn't keep dying.

    I pvp a bit and I love it. Tonight we had our first big guild PvP session, a couple of vets, most of us well under 50, more like between level 20 and 40.

    It took a while for some of us to get in due to a que (eu server bloodthorn) and we all had excellent fun. About 5 pvp regularly, the other 10 don't. We managed to claim our first keep for our guild, we chased the scroll halfway across the entire map (along with loads of others not in our group) died time and time again due to the hordes of enemies we kept running into, those of us that pvp all the time commented on how much better pvp was now the vamps have been nerfed.

    I left my guild still at it after 4 hrs, tons and tons of action, thinking your winning then seeing about 100 enemies coming at you from 3 directions was great fun.


    My point being:

    Yes I do think they launched it too early, I've yet to see an mmo that isn't. But I also think many of these issues would never have come to light until it was launched, so we would still have had problems whenever.

    When I compare doing the 2 starter areas and Glenumbra now with an alt, to early access last month, it's almost incomparable, so many things fixed, so few problems now.

    I know there are issues that need addressing, the bots in Coldharbour, the mat gathering bots, game bugs, lag, loading times or what ever problems people run into, but they have done a superb job in fixing many things in this short time since release and if thats any indication of how things will continue, then I am really looking forward to the future.

    Their road ahead announcement is the icing on the cake for me.

    I understand some people have had many more problems than I have and I understand why for some the game isn't what they expected, I just wanted to give an alternative point of view from someone whose entire guild is loving it (a friend has a guild of 97 and they are all subbing too) . These threads, while i understand and sympathise with the problems many have had, imply everyone is unsubbing, no one is happy, but from those I meet in game, the opposite is true.

    Only zenimax know how many people leave, if 2000 find themselves unhappy for whatever reason and leave in a vocal manner it can look like the game is doomed, but the chances are, thousands and thousands more are happy playing, and most of those probably never even visit the forums.

  • Zebug
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    just a guess..but simply from the OP's name, he's still upset it isn't f2p. For me, I had 1 roll back, no bank/bag bug, & minimal lag. I did have to set aside a quest or two and come back after a patch to finish, but no big deal in my book.

    So I think I'll keep my sub, I'm loving it every time I log on.
  • Electus
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    yodased wrote: »
    Why not just link the actual post?

    http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en/news/post/2014/03/14/eso-road-ahead

    Now, that also says will be polished and lag free launch experience, which is complete b.s. and we all know it, but out of context seems to promise much more than it actually does.

    Its vague enough to be explained away, but specific enough to be quoted. I don't think it was an accident to be worded in such a way.

    Just so you all know, my launch experience was polished and lag free...
    ZOS take my money!
  • Innocente
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    *Laughs* Those of you commenting on my posting name really don't have a clue, do you? Perhaps you should get some information on how things work before you insert foot-to-mouth.
  • Nox_Aeterna
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    babylon wrote: »
    i want vr10 , which means just that i want to do most quests on all zones , before i quit.

    Once i have checked the story , then probably i will leave to play other things , there is no solo content after that anyway heh.
    I just did all the quests on the VR2 map and only got to 74% - the rest I need will have to be grinded and need to find groups for the dolmens and public dungeon bosses...you really won't enjoy the journey if you like to solo.

    Hum weird , right now im vr5 , did not have many problems , usually i just wait until people show up for the world bosses (some of these it is not hard to solo even )/anchors/public group dungeons...

    Only thing im skipping is the vet closed group dungeons , those i really jump over , which might explain why i need so much exp for vet6 , even at the end of vet5 area lols.

    Then again , i wonder if that will lock me , or if i can keep going if i have the quests done.
    "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
    -Hanlon's razor
  • babylon
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    babylon wrote: »
    i want vr10 , which means just that i want to do most quests on all zones , before i quit.

    Once i have checked the story , then probably i will leave to play other things , there is no solo content after that anyway heh.
    I just did all the quests on the VR2 map and only got to 74% - the rest I need will have to be grinded and need to find groups for the dolmens and public dungeon bosses...you really won't enjoy the journey if you like to solo.

    Hum weird , right now im vr5 , did not have many problems , usually i just wait until people show up for the world bosses (some of these it is not hard to solo even )/anchors/public group dungeons...

    Only thing im skipping is the vet closed group dungeons , those i really jump over , which might explain why i need so much exp for vet6 , even at the end of vet5 area lols.

    Then again , i wonder if that will lock me , or if i can keep going if i have the quests done.
    There really aren't that many people on the VR2 map.
  • Fairydragon3
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    Yeah the faithful know that we shall be rewarded. much like the reward for sticking in there for the first month. If that is what we get for just dealing with a few issues, i cant wait to see what they give me for staying for a year or 2 of subs. thats one of the cool things about MMO's the phrase "wow killer" no long has any meaning, since there are plenty of MMO's that are still doing fine. Even TOR has it's fanbase, and continues to generate content for their faithful, and then make it free months later. Even F2P has found it's nich in the economy.
  • Ojustaboo
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    *Laughs* Those of you commenting on my posting name really don't have a clue, do you? Perhaps you should get some information on how things work before you insert foot-to-mouth.

    Maybe, just maybe if you didn't use the words f2p in your name, then go on about zenimax no longer charging us, it wouldn't look like what it does look like.

    You chose your username, if you really really didn't know what it would look like to most people, well, there's not a lot I can say really.
  • Innocente
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    Like I said, no clue. In any case, my suggestion was that they suspend the monthly charge until the the console release. Not get rid of it permanently.
  • Armitas
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    removed.
    Edited by Armitas on May 13, 2014 6:42PM
    Retired.
    Nord mDK
  • jkbennettb14a_ESO
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    I never cease to be amazed at Fan-Boyz blindness to the factual state of a game. No matter how obvious it is. They will defend it against all logic and reason. Decry any attempt to correct its march to failure. And oppose any step that might help the game, but at the same time admit there might be a problem of any sort. So tragic, so typical.

    Speaking of ad hominem...But I digress, the thing is, no one (at least in this thread) is outright denying the things you say. We can all admit there are issues with this game. It just that the headache does not outweigh the aspirin at this point. I am enjoying this game immensely at this point, sorry you are not.

    In before lock and...

    (PS can I have your stuff) :wink:
    On Class Balance
    The real dilemma is that; Powdered doughnuts are overpowdered, the chocolate doughnuts are too chocolaty, and the coconut crunch doughnuts have more coconut than all other doughnuts. This is OUTRAGEOUSLY unfair to other doughnuts!

    So from now on, all you special snowflakes get is nasty plain doughnuts...enjoy!
  • Spiritreaver_ESO
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    The PC version of the game is now, without question, simply a Beta test and Debug for the Console versions. The delay of the console release proves the point.

    It is time to suspend the monthly subscription charges until, at least, the game is ready for release. And, that will be when it is released for console systems.

    To not do this is going to cost the game a tremendous number of subscribers (permanently), hurt the bottom line, and give the publishers a black eye they will probably never recover from.

    Be smart.
    Do the right thing by the folks who put up their money.
    Because we sure aren't getting the "Polished and Lag Free" experience we were promised.

    f2pmmogamescub18_ESO

    Something tells me that you've been against the idea of a sub fee for a bit....


    In all seriousness though, making a thread to affirm a choice you have prolly already made a while ago is kinda superfluous don't you think?

    As to the sentiment about PC/MAC release just being a beta for the consoles, gonna have to flatly disagree.

    During PC open beta and early access, i had very few problems ingame. I'm no systems engineer or anything, but i think most of the problems, engine-wise, are prolly precipitated from the stress of having 'live' population levels of players as opposed to those from beta. And given time, i have no problem believing ZOS will work out the kinks.


  • magickats242cub18_ESO
    What I got from this post is: "Now that my 30 free days have run out, I am too poor/cheap to pay for the sub, therefore I demand I get more free time because in my mind, the game is too riddled with bugs and is incomplete"

    I paid for the six months sub, I am enjoying the game, in spite of the bugs. I am taking my time and look forward to the future of ESO.

    If that makes me a fanboi, well I guess I am a fanboi. Just because you think differently does not mean you have to drag the rest of us down with you.
  • Innocente
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    @malikwalker_ESO‌

    Once again, probably should not comment about posting name if you don't know what is going on.

    As to the game engine, it is the Hero Engine. The same engine that is used in SWTOR; and ESO is having almost the same set of issues with it as EA/Bioware had.

    Make of that what you will.
  • Innocente
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    @magickats242cub18_ESO

    You do understand that if I was not subbed for the next month, I would not be able to post here, yes?
  • yodased
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    this thread has me feeling

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    Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.
  • magickats242cub18_ESO
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    You do understand that if I was not subbed for the next month, I would not be able to post here, yes?

    Yes, which makes me wonder why you are spending your money on a game in which you have no faith. Talk the talk? Then go walk the walk.

    Come back when the game hits the consoles, problem solved, yes?

  • PharmaChief
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    I am playing since 20th of April and it has been until now a bug free experience. For me this game is game of the year (at least until Destiny comes out)and there is no way i stop playing. 13,00euro per month (payed for 60 days game card 26,00euro) is far less than buying one single player game per month. So no problem, no complain, happy life :D
  • Innocente
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    @magickats242cub18_ESO

    I actually enjoy many aspects of the game, and want it to succeed. However, I think that many folks will just turn their backs on it and never come back due to the many show-stopping bugs, system crashes, lag, and other major issues. Suspending the subscription for a few months would certainly restore a lot of confidence in Z/B for those folks that plunked down the cash expecting a solid game.
  • Dissolution_Reborn
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    The last few generations coming up sure are a bunch of self-entitled [snip]

    All MMO's have issues when they release, some more than others. If you enjoy the game, the concept and its potential it should build a certain sense of loyalty to the game.

    That means sticking it out when times are a little rough.

    And seriously...15 bucks a month? I spend triple that on one night at the bar. If 15 bucks is gonna make or break you, definitely drop your subscription. It would be irresponsible not to.
    Edited by ZOS_ShannonM on May 13, 2014 7:18PM
  • Spiritreaver_ESO
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    @malikwalker_ESO‌

    Once again, probably should not comment about posting name if you don't know what is going on.

    As to the game engine, it is the Hero Engine. The same engine that is used in SWTOR; and ESO is having almost the same set of issues with it as EA/Bioware had.

    Make of that what you will.

    Sorry, it being the net you didn't catch my sarcastic tone. Wasn't being serious about your handle...completely anyways.

    Thanks for the info about TESO's game engine being the same as SWTOR, i thought it seemed a bit familiar.

    EDIT: Spelling
    Edited by Spiritreaver_ESO on May 13, 2014 7:02PM
  • Zebug
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    @malikwalker_ESO‌

    Once again, probably should not comment about posting name if you don't know what is going on.

    So why don't you enlighten us as to "what is going on"

  • Dominulf
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    The last few generations coming up sure are a bunch of self-entitled [snip].

    Not as bad as [snip] like you that generalize entire generations as an attempt to make a lousy point.

    "Back in my day we didn't care about the quality of products we purchased"
    durr durrrr
    Edited by ZOS_ShannonM on May 13, 2014 8:18PM
    The Elder Scrolls Online - Where the best spells are AoEs and the strongest weapon is a Shield!

    "I used to be the most beloved roleplaying series of a generation... but then I took $14.99/mo to the knee."
  • zoetaz1616
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    I never cease to be amazed at Fan-Boyz blindness to the factual state of a game. No matter how obvious it is. They will defend it against all logic and reason. Decry any attempt to correct its march to failure. And oppose any step that might help the game, but at the same time admit there might be a problem of any sort. So tragic, so typical.
    I'm constantly amazed at how much time and effort haters will put into slamming a game. If you stop talking, you will find the door behind you. Bye.
    I don't think the game is perfect by any means, but I have had only a sliver of these compounded issues that plaque this forum. I hope they keep working on it, as they will I'm sure. If I'm getting stabbed in the eye, I don't write a post about it, I get away from the knife.
    BTW, that meme above is fantastic, pretty much sums up the forums for me...

  • michaelpatrickjonesnub18_ESO
    Don't even make posts like this. You're just asking to be flamed by the 35,000 hardcore fans of this series.

    Although I do agree with you, I'm the only support you'll get.
  • jorj82
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    The PC version of the game is now, without question, simply a Beta test and Debug for the Console versions.

    I like how you started this with flawed logic.... PC games and their console counterparts have always run of different code, because the systems have completely different processors and OS. Testing code on a PC game cannot determine the state of the code for console.
  • PharmaChief
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    Don't even make posts like this. You're just asking to be flamed by the 35,000 hardcore fans of this series.

    Although I do agree with you, I'm the only support you'll get.
    We are only 35,000? :'(
  • wrlifeboil
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    This is both the best and worst MMO I've ever played. On the one hand, it is so well-crafted, beautiful, engaging, and immersive. On the other hand, it's overflowing with awfulness, both of ZOE choices and of bugs that go far beyond what's remotely tolerable.

    I can't agree that we deserve to play for free until console release, but I really can no longer put up an honest argument against the notion that it feels like we're playing a beta.

    I feel the same way. The launch started great. Smoothest mmo launch. Then everyone started running into the bugs. That 'it'll be fixed by launch' feeling I hand in beta faded away pretty fast after that.

    Another positive is that there hasn't been a wave of hacked accounts. There haven't been much mention of desperate people posting on the forums that their account was hacked.

    ZOS is making progress but the question is if people will give them the benefit of the doubt and try the game again.
  • Innocente
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    @malikwalker_ESO‌

    Ya. Missed the tone. :smile:

    I just used this name as it happened to be free at the time. Has nothing to do with my expectations for ESO pay model.

    I actually prefer monthly subs; F2P models don't actually interest me that much.

    Just completed a long run on WoW. Have WildStar purchased and ready to go. And may resub EQ2 for a while to play ToV Channeller.

    I pre-ordered ESO and have subbed since launch, of course. What I am concerned about is not the cost, its the quality. If I did not care about quality, there are sooooo many F2P games available that are of limited quality.
  • Spiritreaver_ESO
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    The last few generations coming up sure are a bunch of self-entitled @sshats.

    All MMO's have issues when they release, some more than others. If you enjoy the game, the concept and its potential it should build a certain sense of loyalty to the game.

    That means sticking it out when times are a little rough.

    And seriously...15 bucks a month? I spend triple that on one night at the bar. If 15 bucks is gonna make or break you, definitely drop your subscription. It would be irresponsible not to.

    Wish i could give you multiple awesomes.

    Seriously, me going out to the movies by myself one night is like two month's sub fees. I still don't get why its even an issue.
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