Solantris wrote: »

The world will never be the same when Haki leaves us, and neither will my heart. But the way things are, I don't blame him.

Solantris wrote: »

I came back from a year hiatus after hearing about the BG changes and my head hurts. I don't have the solution but I can't deny there's an unsustainable problem.

20-60 minute queues for a lopsided experience is honestly just horrible for everyone involved, whether you're the slamm-ee or the slam-er. Duoing with my friend and dropping 70, 50, 40, 30 kill games is boring and uncompetitive. I know some will disagree, but I am personally not a fan of shooting fish in a barrel nor being the fish in a barrel. ESO's combat is its fun point for me, where is the combat in any of this? Said friend and I group queued for over 3 hours on the weekend, only for it to pop when I went to the bathroom. These days we have to que solo and just hope we share a game if we want to play together at all, and when the queue finally pops, we're ruining pvp for other people and our own experience is...lacking, to say the least.

We met some brand new transfer players from WOW in the queue last weekend. They were awesome people, reached out to us, didn't mind that we clapped some cheeks. We were able to pass on some mechanical information and generally had a good time teaching them things. But I can't help but wonder, why the hell are players like us being pitched against players who frankly don't stand a chance? We have over a decade of ESO experience between us. I don't mean to be an elitist ***, but the complete and utter, inherent, mechanical, undeniable unsustainability in this has to be pointed out. They're nice people and I'm glad we met, I'm glad they are the kind of players to recognize an experience differential and ask us, and we are the kind of players to take that kindly and happily share our knowledge. But how many times is this exact scenario playing out with nothing but negativity felt on all sides?

Why did we meet them? Why are they expected to fight us? Why are we expected to fight them?

The below are from the past week or so, and they're just the ones I randomly thought to screengrab. Frankly, games like this should be outliers. Matchmaking should stop this, but it doesn't. Why?













From Shrimpoh: "The balancing of things is done in a way that makes it hard to appreciate the reason we PvP in the first place. It’s all well and good fighting and getting a bunch of kills but when the experience is either diminished by excessive queues (not even including broken ones) and one sided balancing, individual value in those games feels negligible."

The world will never be the same when Haki leaves us, and neither will my heart. But the way things are, I don't blame him.

Edit to add, no Garion. I'm not getting better scoreboard. I know you're here somewhere. I know you want to say it. I'm not doing it. It's been 4 years.

Haki_7 wrote: »

Solantris wrote: »

The world will never be the same when Haki leaves us, and neither will my heart. But the way things are, I don't blame him.

people see sorc jumping in the background spamming endless fury
and assume I'm there to try and steal all the kills
but we both know the truth, don't we?
that
it was really you
that I have come to steal

Aldoss wrote: »

This behavior is why I suspect many people want the 4v4v4 back because it increased the number of targets for these sweat lords to target. It helped a baby seal blend in and go unnoticed, but it didn't solve the problem which was baby seals getting placed against sweat lords in the first place.

• Q1. 18th Dec, 8 man duo queue. Spent 56 minutes waiting in Cyrodiil. Had a couple small 2vx fights, duo partner consistently freezing in place. End up fighting a man visibly doing the same. Asked him, he was also freezing. Decided eso not worth, played something else.
• Q2. 19th Dec. 129m 8 man duo queue, went to cyrodiil. No smallscale population, only EP during JP primetime. Only one big group whose bash man descyncs me like crazy because 300 ping. No queue, no other pop to fight... decided ESO not worth, played something else.
• Q3, later that day. Solo 8 man queue, popped after 28 minutes! Woo! Was a deathmatch with two named players* including myself. Notably, Tuudy. on my team clearly doing DK bombs, he needs room. I am sorc support, I give it to him. I negate his bombs, we throw hands. Later, I am accused of being in comms.
• Q4, immediately afterwards, 17 minutes. Approximately 4 named players. Tuudy on enemy team, KDMS and Tamerlin on mine. Our collective pugs enjoyed relic hunting. I negated Tuudy's bombs. He did not get any room.
• Q5, 20th dec. Solo 8 man queue, POPPED IN 2 MINUTES AND 48 SECONDs! Relic game where nobody cared about relic, my favourite! Big brawl. Up and coming pvpers on both teams, sweaty back and forth fights. Enemy dot DK man held a lot of fight presence. Probably would have run the game if I didn't exist. Teammate mans wasn't quite as large and didn't understand why I gave him star**. He went 29 and 4 in total. He now understands why I gave him the star.
• Q6, 20th Dec. solo man 8 queue, 5 minute pop. sweaty relic. 4 named players enemy team, only me on friendly team. Went about as well as you'd expect. My pugs yolo into 8 man sitting on relic on repeat. I... strik where I can. I can only drag a man through hell so many times. 20k HP sorc relic running? I'll do my best

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

So, in what way are the matches lopsided? What results are you having?

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

I think I’ve played, and been curb stomped, by you before.

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Are you saying I need to be curb stomped more often by you so you at least don’t need to wait as long?

Pepegrillos wrote: »

You know there is an absolute mess when Haki has to leave the bgs and come into the forums to show the evidence. Someone call Wheeler...

Chrisilis wrote: »

So here I am, waiting in the queue for my 2nd bg match of the day... as one does these days, and you know what I miss? Matches that last 15 minutes. I miss them a lot. These 4, 5, 6 minute matches are a real bummer, like, wait 10-20 minutes, play 5.. There's not even enough time to really get into it and its over. The only Bg that seems to last the entire match time is Relic and its the worst one! I disliked Relic b4, its just a boring stalemated nightmare now imo... Anyway.

The dev letter said " We acknowledge that some of our players have expressed enjoying the previous 3-sided format more and are continuing to monitor feedback paired with in-game data. We are not planning any other major changes to ESO’s PVP Battlegrounds in the near future; rather, we’ll be focusing on addressing some of the main pain points outside of general personal preferences between the 3-sided versus 2-sided formats."

In the near future... Or at all? I would hope they would come out with a definitive yes or no on the issue of three team bg's SOON and NOT keep us all in suspense. Very frustrating. Anyway. Ready check came and went while writing this. Figures.

Edit ~ Since posting this I played 5 matches which took 3 hours and 20 minutes. For 5 games. And I caught 189 fish while waiting in the queue. 0_0