Turtle_Bot wrote: »

Part of the issue surrounding a set that removes all vamp penalties is that we need to look at what those penalties are and what the bonuses are:

Lets look at stage 3 Vamp (most common stage being ran due to undeath passive):

"Costs" of being vamp stage 3.
-60% health recovery (this is very punishing for long drawn out fights)
+13% flame damage taken
+8% regular ability cost (this is the only reason that post undeath nerf vampire is a choice and not mandatory, this sustain hit is big)

Bonuses for being stage 3 (from all passives)
-16% vamp ability cost
Ignore movement penalty of sneak (this is another big reason many still run vampire even at just stage 1)
50% reduced crouch fade time
+300 weapon/spell damage when leaving stealth/invis/mistform
up to +15% mitigation

A set that removes the penalties would be the equivalent of a set that gave the following stats:
13% mitigation against flame damage (one of the more common damage types)
8% cost reduction
150% increased health recovery (150% increase on the reduced value is equal to 60% reduction of the non-reduced value due to how percentage changes work)

Each one of those bonuses would be enough for its own 5 piece bonus on an overland set (8% cost reduction already is its own 5th piece bonus on the overland seducer set and that's limited to magicka abilities only, not everything).

Taking it to stage 4 it becomes even more OP.
indeterminant bonus to health recovery (there's no percent value that equals a 100% reduction of something)
20% mitigation against flame damage
12% cost reduction
and being stage 4 also unlocks unnatural movement passive for invisibility while sprinting.

This being a permanent bonus is why such a set would be broken. That is an insane amount of sustain and mitigation from just 1 set.

Now if the set was something like:
Vampire Cloak:
(2 items) Adds 1206 Maximum Health
(3 items) Adds 1206 Maximum Health
(4 items) Adds 129 Weapon and Spell Damage
(5 items) Adds 171 Weapon and Spell Damage. Reduces the penalties of your Vampirism stage by 1 stage. When you cast Blood Scion, the penalties are disabled entirely for X duration.

This would still be very strong, but more balanced. It provides a permanent bonus all the time (reduction in penalties by 1 stage is still strong), then it ties in with the ultimate, where for a period of time on cast the penalties are completely negated, but this massive buff comes with an associated cost and enforced cooldown (using one of the most expensive ultimates in the game).

This would obviously come paired with a rework to the perfect scion morph, since this set is now doing most of what that morph currently does.