They made a great (in principle, in execution...) pvp patch for a population long gone. The kind of players that would've loved the BG changes are mostly gone. The last time they were still around was 2019-2021.

You are not forced to play this mode you know.

If you have to waste an hour doing matches against your wishes you are better off doing other things that hour and probably have the same amount of XP by doing stuff that you actively enjoy.

The new BGs are absolutely terrible.

Doesn’t help that the most common game mode is “Looking For Player…” which involves waiting in a spawn point for several minutes until the game kicks you out.

Artem_gig wrote: »

In fact, I was sure until the last that the new pvp is great, and partly it is, but it is still impossible to enjoy it. (I'm talking about the 8vs8 modes, which was named by the developers as not stressful). So, the biggest problem with the past battlefields, what with these personally for me, is that they take away your time, not giving you what you actually went into them for. Namely, the daily experience bonus. Sometimes I have to play 10-15 games for this bonus (and it's just disgusting). And all my hatred of this regime could be corrected with one simple new teaching. Namely, it is guaranteed to give a daily bonus after at least 2 losses in this disgusting (for me personally, because this is already some kind of grind) mode. This would finally allow you to play this mode and have fun without being afraid that it will become a routine again.

Why do believe yourself to be entitled to a PVP daily bonus? Sound like you don't like PVP at all. Imagine if a PVP player stated "I have tried AA+2 10-15 times and never beat the boss and its DISGUSTING" without having a PVE guild, build or whatever if takes to accomplish that goal. You would loose your mind. Do you have a PVP build/setup? What are you running? What class? How are you helping your team win?

In terms of gameplay, the new pvp is really good.

licenturion wrote: »

You are not forced to play this mode you know.

If you have to waste an hour doing matches against your wishes you are better off doing other things that hour and probably have the same amount of XP by doing stuff that you actively enjoy.

I like this mode, but I don't like that now it takes even more time than before. It doesn't give me the right emotions. I want to have fun in pvp, even if I lose, but get a bonus, even if I have to play 2-3 games, each of which will be lost. This is better than playing 8 losers, and only picking up the bonus with 9 win.

Nathanbreakfast wrote: »

Artem_gig wrote: »

In fact, I was sure until the last that the new pvp is great, and partly it is, but it is still impossible to enjoy it. (I'm talking about the 8vs8 modes, which was named by the developers as not stressful). So, the biggest problem with the past battlefields, what with these personally for me, is that they take away your time, not giving you what you actually went into them for. Namely, the daily experience bonus. Sometimes I have to play 10-15 games for this bonus (and it's just disgusting). And all my hatred of this regime could be corrected with one simple new teaching. Namely, it is guaranteed to give a daily bonus after at least 2 losses in this disgusting (for me personally, because this is already some kind of grind) mode. This would finally allow you to play this mode and have fun without being afraid that it will become a routine again.

Why do believe yourself to be entitled to a PVP daily bonus? Sound like you don't like PVP at all. Imagine if a PVP player stated "I have tried AA+2 10-15 times and never beat the boss and its DISGUSTING" without having a PVE guild, build or whatever if takes to accomplish that goal. You would loose your mind. Do you have a PVP build/setup? What are you running? What class? How are you helping your team win?

Well, of course I have a build. I've been playing this game for 6 years. I am not focused only on pve, I am equally a pvp and pve player, and I belong to the respective guilds. An argument with the boss is not appropriate at all. That is, in your opinion, going to some kind of dungeon with a hard mode, even with random ones, is the same as going with 7 completely random players without mmr in pvp? I played 7 lost games yesterday, of course I was in first place in each one, it's no good. The 8vs8 mode is more spontaneous, and it has both not very good players and pros. I won't blame the bad players, they came for a bonus (like me) or fun. The problem is that I can't have fun knowing that another loss won't bring me what I came for. I'm not saying that a bonus would be given even for a defeat, I'm saying that a bonus would be given either from the first victory (as it is done now) or from 2-3 defeats. For me, this is more honest, for such a spontaneous regime. I am alone, and little depends on me in a mode where there are 16 people. Only by joint efforts can victory be achieved. But common efforts are not always possible with 7 random players. At hm, you are prepared in one way or another, and usually with a prepared group. Dungeons and trials are hardly fashionable to find a spontaneous event, which cannot be said about pvp 8vs8.

As a BG main (for the last 4 years) I like the idea of these current BGs when they were first unveiled and BGs itself did need overhauling. But what we got in Update 44 is just pure slop. There's just so much wrong in the execution. 4 queues terrible, barely any good rewards, games not starting, questionable map design and mechanics.

This is one of the cases where ZoS needed to listen and respond to the feedback given but it was quite clear that weren't going to do that hence why we have this mess of a system in which nobody is happy. Said it now many a time this game and its community has been on the most remarkable decline and its all because of ZoS. Truth hurts sometimes but needs to be said.

8v8 is not 100% action.

It's action for about a minute tops until it's become clear which team will be winning, and after that, it's either spawncamping or letting time tick down.

Artem_gig wrote: »

Nathanbreakfast wrote: »

Artem_gig wrote: »

In fact, I was sure until the last that the new pvp is great, and partly it is, but it is still impossible to enjoy it. (I'm talking about the 8vs8 modes, which was named by the developers as not stressful). So, the biggest problem with the past battlefields, what with these personally for me, is that they take away your time, not giving you what you actually went into them for. Namely, the daily experience bonus. Sometimes I have to play 10-15 games for this bonus (and it's just disgusting). And all my hatred of this regime could be corrected with one simple new teaching. Namely, it is guaranteed to give a daily bonus after at least 2 losses in this disgusting (for me personally, because this is already some kind of grind) mode. This would finally allow you to play this mode and have fun without being afraid that it will become a routine again.

Why do believe yourself to be entitled to a PVP daily bonus? Sound like you don't like PVP at all. Imagine if a PVP player stated "I have tried AA+2 10-15 times and never beat the boss and its DISGUSTING" without having a PVE guild, build or whatever if takes to accomplish that goal. You would loose your mind. Do you have a PVP build/setup? What are you running? What class? How are you helping your team win?

Well, of course I have a build. I've been playing this game for 6 years. I am not focused only on pve, I am equally a pvp and pve player, and I belong to the respective guilds. An argument with the boss is not appropriate at all. That is, in your opinion, going to some kind of dungeon with a hard mode, even with random ones, is the same as going with 7 completely random players without mmr in pvp? I played 7 lost games yesterday, of course I was in first place in each one, it's no good. The 8vs8 mode is more spontaneous, and it has both not very good players and pros. I won't blame the bad players, they came for a bonus (like me) or fun. The problem is that I can't have fun knowing that another loss won't bring me what I came for. I'm not saying that a bonus would be given even for a defeat, I'm saying that a bonus would be given either from the first victory (as it is done now) or from 2-3 defeats. For me, this is more honest, for such a spontaneous regime. I am alone, and little depends on me in a mode where there are 16 people. Only by joint efforts can victory be achieved. But common efforts are not always possible with 7 random players. At hm, you are prepared in one way or another, and usually with a prepared group. Dungeons and trials are hardly fashionable to find a spontaneous event, which cannot be said about pvp 8vs8.

So I do both PvP and PvE. I think the reason it feels more unfair that you can't get the daily xp with losses as opposed to unsuccessful PvE scenarios is that, except for when someone chooses to leave a dungeon or trial early, everyone on the PvE team fails or succeeds together. There's no scenario I can think of where you run a random daily dungeon and only half of the group gets the XP.

ToT has the same "problem" where the dailies require winning, not just playing, but because it is 1v1 it doesn't feel as bad (to me) as running BG's over and over and just never getting on a winning team. Probably because you have no one to blame but yourself if you lose in ToT. :P Whereas there really is nothing you can do if you're up against a better team to change those odds in BG's. It makes the BG's feel like "wasted" time... moreso even than if you were playing and the daily xp didn't exist at all!

As someone who does both, I would support the idea that the BG daily would be tweaked to address this scenario, and I don't feel that such a change would then "require" ZOS to have to give daily XP rewards to failed dungeon runs. It's just a whole different dynamic and problem.

peacenote wrote: »

Artem_gig wrote: »

Nathanbreakfast wrote: »

Artem_gig wrote: »

In fact, I was sure until the last that the new pvp is great, and partly it is, but it is still impossible to enjoy it. (I'm talking about the 8vs8 modes, which was named by the developers as not stressful). So, the biggest problem with the past battlefields, what with these personally for me, is that they take away your time, not giving you what you actually went into them for. Namely, the daily experience bonus. Sometimes I have to play 10-15 games for this bonus (and it's just disgusting). And all my hatred of this regime could be corrected with one simple new teaching. Namely, it is guaranteed to give a daily bonus after at least 2 losses in this disgusting (for me personally, because this is already some kind of grind) mode. This would finally allow you to play this mode and have fun without being afraid that it will become a routine again.

Why do believe yourself to be entitled to a PVP daily bonus? Sound like you don't like PVP at all. Imagine if a PVP player stated "I have tried AA+2 10-15 times and never beat the boss and its DISGUSTING" without having a PVE guild, build or whatever if takes to accomplish that goal. You would loose your mind. Do you have a PVP build/setup? What are you running? What class? How are you helping your team win?

Well, of course I have a build. I've been playing this game for 6 years. I am not focused only on pve, I am equally a pvp and pve player, and I belong to the respective guilds. An argument with the boss is not appropriate at all. That is, in your opinion, going to some kind of dungeon with a hard mode, even with random ones, is the same as going with 7 completely random players without mmr in pvp? I played 7 lost games yesterday, of course I was in first place in each one, it's no good. The 8vs8 mode is more spontaneous, and it has both not very good players and pros. I won't blame the bad players, they came for a bonus (like me) or fun. The problem is that I can't have fun knowing that another loss won't bring me what I came for. I'm not saying that a bonus would be given even for a defeat, I'm saying that a bonus would be given either from the first victory (as it is done now) or from 2-3 defeats. For me, this is more honest, for such a spontaneous regime. I am alone, and little depends on me in a mode where there are 16 people. Only by joint efforts can victory be achieved. But common efforts are not always possible with 7 random players. At hm, you are prepared in one way or another, and usually with a prepared group. Dungeons and trials are hardly fashionable to find a spontaneous event, which cannot be said about pvp 8vs8.

So I do both PvP and PvE. I think the reason it feels more unfair that you can't get the daily xp with losses as opposed to unsuccessful PvE scenarios is that, except for when someone chooses to leave a dungeon or trial early, everyone on the PvE team fails or succeeds together. There's no scenario I can think of where you run a random daily dungeon and only half of the group gets the XP.

ToT has the same "problem" where the dailies require winning, not just playing, but because it is 1v1 it doesn't feel as bad (to me) as running BG's over and over and just never getting on a winning team. Probably because you have no one to blame but yourself if you lose in ToT. :P Whereas there really is nothing you can do if you're up against a better team to change those odds in BG's. It makes the BG's feel like "wasted" time... moreso even than if you were playing and the daily xp didn't exist at all!

As someone who does both, I would support the idea that the BG daily would be tweaked to address this scenario, and I don't feel that such a change would then "require" ZOS to have to give daily XP rewards to failed dungeon runs. It's just a whole different dynamic and problem.

Exactly! That's what I'm talking about. In the dungeons, it's fair not to give daily experience if you haven't passed the dungeon. While in bg, as for me, it was quite fair to give it for the second or third defeat, if it did not work out to win the first time. After all, who hasn't been able to complete a random daily dungeon at all? This is an almost 100% guaranteed daily bonus. While in bg, the chances can range from 100 (in rare cases) to 10%.