Home Tours doesn't show how many visitors we've had??

SpiritKitten · August 21

This is one of the biggest disappointments I have ever had with this game. What a waste of a feature. I can't even begin to comprehend how ZOS devs left this out of a feature called 'Home Tours'.

BlueRaven · August 21

I would love a record of:

Visitors - Favorites - Recommendations

Necrotech_Master · August 21

BlueRaven wrote: »

I would love a record of:

Visitors - Favorites - Recommendations

my understanding is that it does show # recommendations, if you have gotten any

i would like to also know the # of visitors/# of players who favorited your house though

SpiritKitten · August 21

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

I would love a record of:

Visitors - Favorites - Recommendations

my understanding is that it does show # recommendations, if you have gotten any

i would like to also know the # of visitors/# of players who favorited your house though

yes, I have some recommendations, but that is not enough!! I want to see how many people visited! it's a half-baked 'feature'.

Jupiter_Storm · August 29

SpiritKitten wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

I would love a record of:

Visitors - Favorites - Recommendations

my understanding is that it does show # recommendations, if you have gotten any

i would like to also know the # of visitors/# of players who favorited your house though

yes, I have some recommendations, but that is not enough!! I want to see how many people visited! it's a half-baked 'feature'.

Visitor count should absolutely be a core component of this feature, but they shouldn't just stop there.

We should be able to see how many people are in a house, and filter by population, before we visit it. Very basic and core function for a feature like this.

Thee_Cheshire_Cat · August 29

i was looking for the ability to leave a comment, like in a guest book or something... but there was no ability for that. was kinda disappointing.

Pelanora · August 29

And it doesn't tell me which homes I've already visited! So annoying!

Thee_Cheshire_Cat · August 30

Pelanora wrote: »

And it doesn't tell me which homes I've already visited! So annoying!

yeah discovered that too... very aggravating.

KronikFlatulenz · August 30

I'm on xbox so I havent got this yet, but that^ seems like a terrible oversight on devs part. Please address this to be added, thanks.

Vaqual · August 30

SpiritKitten wrote: »

This is one of the biggest disappointments I have ever had with this game. What a waste of a feature. I can't even begin to comprehend how ZOS devs left this out of a feature called 'Home Tours'.

Wow that is unexpectedly harsh^^.
I don't care about the house tours, but I also think that it would still be uninteresting with a visitor counter.

SpiritKitten · August 31

Vaqual wrote: »

SpiritKitten wrote: »

This is one of the biggest disappointments I have ever had with this game. What a waste of a feature. I can't even begin to comprehend how ZOS devs left this out of a feature called 'Home Tours'.

Wow that is unexpectedly harsh^^.
I don't care about the house tours, but I also think that it would still be uninteresting with a visitor counter.

Maybe it only seems harsh to you because probably housing is not your primary activity in the game, or you would understand.

Jaimeh · August 31

More information would definitely make the system become more engaging and encourage its continued use. As it is right now, it's too haphazard, at the very list it would be nice to have a check mark, or some indication for houses that we've visited, and a simple metric for the number of visitors to our own houses.

Vaqual · August 31

SpiritKitten wrote: »

Vaqual wrote: »

SpiritKitten wrote: »

This is one of the biggest disappointments I have ever had with this game. What a waste of a feature. I can't even begin to comprehend how ZOS devs left this out of a feature called 'Home Tours'.

Wow that is unexpectedly harsh^^.
I don't care about the house tours, but I also think that it would still be uninteresting with a visitor counter.

Maybe it only seems harsh to you because probably housing is not your primary activity in the game, or you would understand.

I don't think I have a single primary activity, but I fail to see what that counter would do. Validation from strangers? From a number that can be artificially inflated by zoning in alt accounts? Is that what it is?

Pelanora · August 31

Vaqual wrote: »

SpiritKitten wrote: »

Vaqual wrote: »

SpiritKitten wrote: »

This is one of the biggest disappointments I have ever had with this game. What a waste of a feature. I can't even begin to comprehend how ZOS devs left this out of a feature called 'Home Tours'.

Wow that is unexpectedly harsh^^.
I don't care about the house tours, but I also think that it would still be uninteresting with a visitor counter.

Maybe it only seems harsh to you because probably housing is not your primary activity in the game, or you would understand.

I don't think I have a single primary activity, but I fail to see what that counter would do. Validation from strangers? From a number that can be artificially inflated by zoning in alt accounts? Is that what it is?

People put a house out for public viewing, and then want data on how many public viewed it.

I can't see what's confusing about that.

Vaqual · August 31

Pelanora wrote: »

Vaqual wrote: »

SpiritKitten wrote: »

Vaqual wrote: »

SpiritKitten wrote: »

This is one of the biggest disappointments I have ever had with this game. What a waste of a feature. I can't even begin to comprehend how ZOS devs left this out of a feature called 'Home Tours'.

Wow that is unexpectedly harsh^^.
I don't care about the house tours, but I also think that it would still be uninteresting with a visitor counter.

Maybe it only seems harsh to you because probably housing is not your primary activity in the game, or you would understand.

I don't think I have a single primary activity, but I fail to see what that counter would do. Validation from strangers? From a number that can be artificially inflated by zoning in alt accounts? Is that what it is?

People put a house out for public viewing, and then want data on how many public viewed it.

I can't see what's confusing about that.

What is confusing about that is how much value is being put into that insignificant metric, based on the choice of words of the posters. It seems to be the deal breaker.

Pelanora · September 1

Vaqual wrote: »

Pelanora wrote: »

Vaqual wrote: »

SpiritKitten wrote: »

Vaqual wrote: »

SpiritKitten wrote: »

This is one of the biggest disappointments I have ever had with this game. What a waste of a feature. I can't even begin to comprehend how ZOS devs left this out of a feature called 'Home Tours'.

Wow that is unexpectedly harsh^^.
I don't care about the house tours, but I also think that it would still be uninteresting with a visitor counter.

Maybe it only seems harsh to you because probably housing is not your primary activity in the game, or you would understand.

I don't think I have a single primary activity, but I fail to see what that counter would do. Validation from strangers? From a number that can be artificially inflated by zoning in alt accounts? Is that what it is?

People put a house out for public viewing, and then want data on how many public viewed it.

I can't see what's confusing about that.

What is confusing about that is how much value is being put into that insignificant metric, based on the choice of words of the posters. It seems to be the deal breaker.

"This is one of the biggest disappointments I have ever had with this game. What a waste of a feature."

This is about the whole house tours feature.

" I can't even begin to comprehend how ZOS devs left this out of a feature called 'Home Tours'."

This is about one part of it- tracking visitors

And maybe it is a deal breaker for them. That's just how they see the world and so be it. I wouldn't worry about it, you don't see the world that way.

tsaescishoeshiner · September 1

I believe visitors and recommendations are hidden, but that you get a notification if your home is featured on Recommended.

I think it's better that it remains hidden so people don't get too hooked on seeing the number of visitors and potentially feeling disappointed.

But, it would be nice if you got a little mail with some housing mats for having some low minimum number of visitors for the week. And maybe a flower furnishing, like the Tales of Tribute trophies? Then it'd be a nice little surprise that isn't as competitive, and people can display their little housewarming flowers.

Vaqual · September 1

Pelanora wrote: »

Vaqual wrote: »

Pelanora wrote: »

Vaqual wrote: »

SpiritKitten wrote: »

Vaqual wrote: »

SpiritKitten wrote: »

This is one of the biggest disappointments I have ever had with this game. What a waste of a feature. I can't even begin to comprehend how ZOS devs left this out of a feature called 'Home Tours'.

Wow that is unexpectedly harsh^^.
I don't care about the house tours, but I also think that it would still be uninteresting with a visitor counter.

Maybe it only seems harsh to you because probably housing is not your primary activity in the game, or you would understand.

I don't think I have a single primary activity, but I fail to see what that counter would do. Validation from strangers? From a number that can be artificially inflated by zoning in alt accounts? Is that what it is?

People put a house out for public viewing, and then want data on how many public viewed it.

I can't see what's confusing about that.

What is confusing about that is how much value is being put into that insignificant metric, based on the choice of words of the posters. It seems to be the deal breaker.

"This is one of the biggest disappointments I have ever had with this game. What a waste of a feature."

This is about the whole house tours feature.

" I can't even begin to comprehend how ZOS devs left this out of a feature called 'Home Tours'."

This is about one part of it- tracking visitors

And maybe it is a deal breaker for them. That's just how they see the world and so be it. I wouldn't worry about it, you don't see the world that way.

I asked for clarification because the person implied I am not able to understand. I am pretty sure I am able to understand, I was just insinuating that their view point may not be entirely reasonable. I didn't really need another person to come in and repeat that I just don't get it.

gusthermopyle · September 1

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

I think it's better that it remains hidden so people don't get too hooked on seeing the number of visitors and potentially feeling disappointed.

This is something I am struggling to compute. I agree with you, and I think the feature has been set up this way in order to avoid creating competition.

But this is a game filled with achievements, objectives and leaderboards, all of which are squarely aimed at competition. Every aspect of the game is geared towards that feeling of "winning" which by definition means you are in competition with others.

I don't necessarily want this for housing, but the housing community has run competitions forever, there are nearly always some guilds running a comp (screenshots, focused builds on a theme etc) somewhere.

So far the home tours feature has resulted in some people getting some pretty basty, troll-like mail about how rubbish their house build is from stangers who have visited and then criticised (and not in a constructive way). The simple fact is that by opening your house to visitors puts it on show which is effectively putting it in competition with others.

The housing community hub addon has allowed us to post house builds open to visitors for years, and the visitor book enabled us to see how many people have come to take a look. Leaving that aspect out of the built in feature just seems strange.

Of course nobody wants to be disappointed. But equally, nobody is removing aspects of other game features so that players don't feel disappointed. If you said that about PVP you would most likely be met with the same old "git gud" response as always.

Like I said, I don't really want this to become a part of housing in the game. It's always been a relaxing, engaging creative activity that is much more about artistic enjoyment of the beautiful graphics in the game than any form of competition. But there's just no avoiding the fact that housing has been competitive for as long as I have been involved. Nobody who enters a guild comp with some of the big names expects to win, nor should they feel disappointed when they don't.

It's supposed to be about the enjoyment of creating something you like. Sharing it with others will always bring you into some kind oif competition whether you like it or not.

RomanRex · September 1

the low numbers aren’t published.

if they were, it would show what a waste of time and effort this “feature” really is.

seecodenotgames · September 1

If it's worth anything, I would put out that on the first week I didn't get on the feature tab until I was getting 3-5 recommendations, but this second week I'm getting on that tab just from a single recommendation.

Pelanora · September 1

Well, to be honest, the houses were all pretty boring... some curation would be good if we're going for the eso home channel or Houzz ESO

gusthermopyle · September 2

seecodenotgames wrote: »

If it's worth anything, I would put out that on the first week I didn't get on the feature tab until I was getting 3-5 recommendations, but this second week I'm getting on that tab just from a single recommendation.

I have a house with 4 recommendations currently, and as far as I know none of mine have ever appeared in the recommendations list

gusthermopyle · September 2

Pelanora wrote: »

Well, to be honest, the houses were all pretty boring... some curation would be good if we're going for the eso home channel or Houzz ESO

I genuinely feel that this flop of a feature could just disappear soon. Many of the houses I have visited have been less than impressive when compared with some of the truly magnificent builds that can be seen. It's difficult to criticise, because every home listed has had care and effort put in, and it's someones vision of what they can do with their house, but often it's just placing furnishings rather than anything truly inventive or extraodrinary.

Players who aren't invested in housing may find that after a few visits they find little of interest and stop using the feature, simply because the way the recommendations list is going it seems filled with random houses that maybe aren't quite impressive enough to create real engagement.

Pity, when in reality there are so many truly awesome things to see. But aside actually knowing the name of the builder, how does anyone find them?

princesspurpleblob · September 2

gusthermopyle wrote: »

Many of the houses I have visited have been less than impressive when compared with some of the truly magnificent builds that can be seen. It's difficult to criticise, because every home listed has had care and effort put in, and it's someones vision of what they can do with their house, but often it's just placing furnishings rather than anything truly inventive or extraodrinary.

This sounds extremely elitest and gate keeping.

gusthermopyle · September 2

princesspurpleblob wrote: »

This sounds extremely elitest and gate keeping.[/quote]

You think? I was really trying not to be.

Kappachi · September 2

I was expecting this, because now I'll never know if 'anyone' has ever visited my home. It's surprising such a basic thing isn't in a huge, what is essentially a gallery update for the game. Even Phantasy Star Online 2 would show how many visitors you had as it was one of the criteria to be on the leaderboards for the amount of visitors who visited your home that week iirc.

Pelanora · September 3

gusthermopyle wrote: »

Pelanora wrote: »

Well, to be honest, the houses were all pretty boring... some curation would be good if we're going for the eso home channel or Houzz ESO

I genuinely feel that this flop of a feature could just disappear soon. Many of the houses I have visited have been less than impressive when compared with some of the truly magnificent builds that can be seen. It's difficult to criticise, because every home listed has had care and effort put in, and it's someones vision of what they can do with their house, but often it's just placing furnishings rather than anything truly inventive or extraodrinary.

Players who aren't invested in housing may find that after a few visits they find little of interest and stop using the feature, simply because the way the recommendations list is going it seems filled with random houses that maybe aren't quite impressive enough to create real engagement.

Pity, when in reality there are so many truly awesome things to see. But aside actually knowing the name of the builder, how does anyone find them?

Not thru this tool, I can tell you that.

BlueRaven · September 3

So not to brag, but I have reached the “recommended” list with four different houses. But the houses I am personally most proud of were not among them.

So it’s a bit off putting to me, I just am curious if people actually like the houses I like.

princesspurpleblob · September 3

BlueRaven wrote: »

So not to brag, but I have reached the “recommended” list with four different houses. But the houses I am personally most proud of were not among them.

So it’s a bit off putting to me, I just am curious if people actually like the houses I like.

I think we all need to remember this is a game and we are all playing it for fun.

I know what I do for housing is nothing spectacular or others may not appreciate my houses but I still like what I did and enjoyed the process. It definitely can be disheartening not to make it on recommended list (for any or particular homes) but understand that other people may have different taste and expectations.

Hope people just enjoy the tour tool for the spirit of sharing creations and don't get too competitive or toxic.

Not saying it can't improve (e.g. more varied tag options, able to mark homes already visited, ability to type in house name rather than scrolling through long list of houses etc) but at least I am happy I can visit homes for players not in guild / friendlist, without using mods.

Necrotech_Master · September 4

BlueRaven wrote: »

So not to brag, but I have reached the “recommended” list with four different houses. But the houses I am personally most proud of were not among them.

So it’s a bit off putting to me, I just am curious if people actually like the houses I like.

they did mention the recommended subsection was a random selection of those which had few/no recommends to ones which were highly recommended

from what i could tell i dont know if there is any kind of sorting on that tab to determine which ones are recommended, as a user who doesnt own the house, theres no way to tell if the houses have any recommendations whatsoever

the UI definitely needs a lot of work with this, i have no idea where it shows recommendations if you got any, or if your house is even featured