DrNukenstein wrote: »Can't wait for the youtube class of gamers to inform us of how good it is with rallying cry, balorgh/blind, and the sea serpent coil/markyn/ddf.
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CatoUnchained wrote: »Oh good grief. NB's are already the strongest class in game. They didn't need another way to buff themselves.
Mjeh. There are certain builds that may 100-0 you. I don't know what they are, but I imagine they involve vampire, Balorgh, and obviously Tarnished Nightmare or Rush of Agony. If you get ganged up upon by two or more such players, that's an Xv1 at the end of the day. You likely die. In a 1v1 you just need to build to survive the initial gank. At least for soloing in IC you do. In Cyro it happens far less.CatoUnchained wrote: »Oh good grief. NB's are already the strongest class in game. They didn't need another way to buff themselves.
I would say a successful cloak means you can't even target them and, therefore, you can't fire your single target skill. Whereas if it's an AOE skill, it's undodgeable and will hit them. If you fire a slow projectile at an about to cloak nightblade, that will also hit them and knock them back out of cloak.TechMaybeHic wrote: »So wait, does this mean if they cloak (shadow ability) which already dodges a direct damage attack, they'll also get another dodge and inflict major vulerability to you?
Mjeh. There are certain builds that may 100-0 you. I don't know what they are, but I imagine they involve vampire, Balorgh, and obviously Tarnished Nightmare or Rush of Agony. If you get ganged up upon by two or more such players, that's an Xv1 at the end of the day. You likely die. In a 1v1 you just need to build to survive the initial gank. At least for soloing in IC you do. In Cyro it happens far less.CatoUnchained wrote: »Oh good grief. NB's are already the strongest class in game. They didn't need another way to buff themselves.
I'm not saying that is easy. I think it contributes to the tank meta. Then again, there are ways to counter gankers hard, such as:I'm not a top player, but I have a friend who arguably is, e.g. he is a successful dueller and 1vXer. He doesn't think nightblades are currently competitive when he's fighting equally skilled players. I pressed him on that and he conceded that they are excellent against beginner to mid-level players. I am saying this as a 9 year veteran of the game. I PvP on multiple classes, but don't consider myself at the same level as him.
- The Esoteric Environment Greaves.
- High health / resistances / shielding.
- Constant movement or blocking (on a flag).
- Being a cloaking nightblade yourself.
- Zoal + Slippery CP.
- Sea Serpent's Coil.
- Being a vampire, stage 3.
- Constantly popping Camou Hunter or Magelight when you're questing in IC. It won't really stop gankers, but it seems to discourage many.
Point is, and please don't take it the wrong way, but if you think NBs are the strongest class in the game for PvP, that most likely makes you the same as me. An upper mid-level player at best. You may, of course, correct me on that, or if you think this doesn't matter. At any rate, I think nightblades may be described as annoying, opportunistic, nasty, cowardly, whatever label you want to put on them. Also a great solo class, but not the strongest in every way. I'm not even sure how easy to use they are as a ganker. If you get successfully ganked, you possibly only remember a highlight of that nightblade's evening. You weren't there when they built Balorgh up to 500. You weren't there when they failed. For me personally, playing a nightblade that way has always seemed pretty miserable.
Magsorc, on the other hand, is currently brutally effective and allows you to stay in the action. It is a good solo class and one that even I can 1vX with in some cases. It only doesn't have nightblade's ability to completely disengage. It's also their worst nightmare. A good sorc counters nightblade hard.
TechMaybeHic wrote: »So wait, does this mean if they cloak (shadow ability) which already dodges a direct damage attack, they'll also get another dodge and inflict major vulerability to you?