PvP Streamer Mode

Reverb · July 1

Turn your UI off when you stream. Show everyone that you really are that good.

Wereswan · July 1

OsUfi wrote: »

alternatelder wrote: »

Wereswan wrote: »

StShoot wrote: »

EdjeSwift wrote: »

I'm gonna have to hard vote no on this one.

If anything this would lead to even more toxicity and bad behaviour. The internet has little accountability as it is and this ability to hide who you are would mean it would be harder to be reported to be cited for bad behaviour.

Imagine not being able to report @Babyrage1245 (made up name) when they're trolling/cheating an entire server because their identity is hidden.

Well there would be an easy fix for that, just make the kill messages you recive in the chat interactable. So when it writes IIIIIIIIIIIIII has killed player xyz in area zyx you can just rightklick report (not whisper tho). It works like this in the most games i played.

We definitely need to be able to click on those killfeed messages to report them; I've seen some highly offensive names in IC.

We need to remove the feed altogether.

You can turn it off in settings.

Otherwise I find it useful for both PvP and PvE. If I land in an I district and I'm just questing and can see carnage on the kill feed, I just move to the next district. If I'm PvPing in Cyro, I want to know what's happening around keeps and outposts.

As a PvEer who sneaks in there sometimes for events, it's really handy to know when to nope out of an area.

Synapsis123 · July 2

Reverb wrote: »

Turn your UI off when you stream. Show everyone that you really are that good.

The problem with that is other players can still see your name. The point is your identity is obscured on the other players end.

SeaGtGruff · July 2

Synapsis123 wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

Turn your UI off when you stream. Show everyone that you really are that good.

The problem with that is other players can still see your name. The point is your identity is obscured on the other players end.

I think you missed the gist of that comment.

forum_propagandist · July 2

Akylles wrote: »

I've been playing since beta. I have certainly played lots of PvP in that time, but in no way am I anyone that stands out in terms of skill or reputation (except my outstanding PvChat kill streak record).

I've been around for the flying peeps, the infinite meteor bug, all of it. Through all of that, I can say with a strong degree of certainty that the MOST toxic thing I have ever seen in ESO PvP are ball groups. In literally zero ways does ZOS need to implement anything whatsoever to give any more advantage or user improvement to ball groups. The lemmings are already taking advantage of ESO combat systems (e.g., cross heals) in ball groups as it is.

Also, I'm going to have to call out an inconsistency here from OP. First, you say that you need to be anonymized because your ball group is so amazing everyone just runs away from you and you can't get any more fun 12v2...*ahem* I mean "combat"...in cyro anymore. However, then you claim that you are often fighting against zergs who will beat you down, and it's all fair-play wherein everyone gets their chance on top. If the latter was true, you wouldn't be complaining about the former...

This comment has a likelihood of being removed, which I'm fine with. The only thing I'd like to see is for ESO to have more things implemented to prevent/discourage ball groups, rather than promote them. They are seriously horrible and sad.

I'm sorry but at no point did I claim there were zergs who would beat me down in any way, shape, or form. Additionally, my post is complaining about other organized groups intentionally avoiding us to the best of their ability. The scenario of an organized group running down a smaller amount of players does occur, but is not relevant to this thread.

Bammlschwamml · July 2

Major_Toughness wrote: »

Not sure why anyone would jump to the conclusion that this is a "cheat mode", that is lunacy.

However, what OP is describing is not a streamer mode.

Streamer mode is where all names to you, the streamer, are changed to be anonymous. That was no ones offensive names will appear on your twitch stream and therefore potentially cause you ToS violations.

Luckily ESO has a relatively good filter on usernames unless you use non-English.

When i started playing eso, i used to watch a lot of guide videos and streams, because i wanted to see how the good players do it.

But seeing myself getting killed over and over again in other players' youtube montages was kind of annoying.

I wish all online games would have this "streamer mode" active all the time. On recordings and streams.

Taking away name tags in streams and videos would also stop a lot of toxic behaviour on youtube, discord, party chats etc.

Ingame i don't really care. It's part of the game to know who you are fighting.

Bammlschwamml · July 2

Playstation party chat already has the option to not share your voice when other partymembers record a video. I would like the same option for my gamertag. Would this even be possible on consoles?

I know this is not what the op was asking for at all.

But maybe more people would be willling to fight youtubers, streamers and godmode players if they didn't have to think about appearing in the next "10 best kills of the week" episodes...

tomofhyrule · July 2

forum_propagandist wrote: »

Akylles wrote: »

I've been playing since beta. I have certainly played lots of PvP in that time, but in no way am I anyone that stands out in terms of skill or reputation (except my outstanding PvChat kill streak record).

I've been around for the flying peeps, the infinite meteor bug, all of it. Through all of that, I can say with a strong degree of certainty that the MOST toxic thing I have ever seen in ESO PvP are ball groups. In literally zero ways does ZOS need to implement anything whatsoever to give any more advantage or user improvement to ball groups. The lemmings are already taking advantage of ESO combat systems (e.g., cross heals) in ball groups as it is.

Also, I'm going to have to call out an inconsistency here from OP. First, you say that you need to be anonymized because your ball group is so amazing everyone just runs away from you and you can't get any more fun 12v2...*ahem* I mean "combat"...in cyro anymore. However, then you claim that you are often fighting against zergs who will beat you down, and it's all fair-play wherein everyone gets their chance on top. If the latter was true, you wouldn't be complaining about the former...

This comment has a likelihood of being removed, which I'm fine with. The only thing I'd like to see is for ESO to have more things implemented to prevent/discourage ball groups, rather than promote them. They are seriously horrible and sad.

I'm sorry but at no point did I claim there were zergs who would beat me down in any way, shape, or form. Additionally, my post is complaining about other organized groups intentionally avoiding us to the best of their ability. The scenario of an organized group running down a smaller amount of players does occur, but is not relevant to this thread.

So you say that your group is not interested in running down individual players, but only in fighting other ball groups. And also that the other ball groups see your names coming and run in terror.

It couldn't possibly be that the other ball groups are the kind of groups that would prefer to farm noobz than fight BallvBall, would it?

In that case, them seeing your names or not would have no effect. They, like the unorganized players they're farming, would just see a ball and get away from it because they don't want to engage.

acastanza_ESO · July 2

forum_propagandist wrote: »

ESO simply needs a streamer mode. The only time I enter pvp these days is to ballgroup and my group is just too strong. Opposing group avoid us in cyrodiil and cancel their raids if they are going to coincide with ours. A streamer mode could potentially hide our cp and names so our opposition doesn't run in fear at the sight of us.

So your group is so abusively built that people avoid you and instead of some self-reflection about how maybe you (your group) is the problem and maybe you shouldn't run 8 healers, 40k HP and 40k in Shields, your solution is to want to hide your names so people don't know to avoid you? Cool.

Akylles · July 2

[/quote]I don't understand these kind of opinions. PLAY HOW YOU WANT.. but just not a coordinated group of 12 that min/man. How is a 12 person group in PvP any different then a 123 person min/max PvE group?

We (ball group) go up against 30-40 people at one time.. a whole flipping zerg of people.... and get smoked all the time. It is fun battles. Should we ban zergs? Getting steam rolled as a solo against a zerg isn't that much fun either. With this logic just get rid of PvP all together?[/quote]

Those are the original poster's own words above...

forum_propagandist wrote: »

Akylles wrote: »

I've been playing since beta. I have certainly played lots of PvP in that time, but in no way am I anyone that stands out in terms of skill or reputation (except my outstanding PvChat kill streak record).

I've been around for the flying peeps, the infinite meteor bug, all of it. Through all of that, I can say with a strong degree of certainty that the MOST toxic thing I have ever seen in ESO PvP are ball groups. In literally zero ways does ZOS need to implement anything whatsoever to give any more advantage or user improvement to ball groups. The lemmings are already taking advantage of ESO combat systems (e.g., cross heals) in ball groups as it is.

Also, I'm going to have to call out an inconsistency here from OP. First, you say that you need to be anonymized because your ball group is so amazing everyone just runs away from you and you can't get any more fun 12v2...*ahem* I mean "combat"...in cyro anymore. However, then you claim that you are often fighting against zergs who will beat you down, and it's all fair-play wherein everyone gets their chance on top. If the latter was true, you wouldn't be complaining about the former...

This comment has a likelihood of being removed, which I'm fine with. The only thing I'd like to see is for ESO to have more things implemented to prevent/discourage ball groups, rather than promote them. They are seriously horrible and sad.

I'm sorry but at no point did I claim there were zergs who would beat me down in any way, shape, or form. Additionally, my post is complaining about other organized groups intentionally avoiding us to the best of their ability. The scenario of an organized group running down a smaller amount of players does occur, but is not relevant to this thread.

So, direct quote: "We (ball group) go up against 30-40 people at one time.. a whole flipping zerg of people.... and get smoked all the time." This would appear at odds with the original statement that you need to be anonymized because everyone flees from your ball group.

Moreover, the "scenario of an organized group running down a smaller amount of players" is literally 98/100 scenarios involving a ball group. So, it is germaine to this discussion.

Synapsis123 · July 2

Akylles wrote: »

So, direct quote: "We (ball group) go up against 30-40 people at one time.. a whole flipping zerg of people.... and get smoked all the time." This would appear at odds with the original statement that you need to be anonymized because everyone flees from your ball group.

I went through the entire thread and I can't find him saying that. The only person who said that was someone else quoting him. It seems like that person may have changed the original quote or didn't use the quote tag properly.

ForumSavant · July 3

Akylles wrote: »

I don't understand these kind of opinions. PLAY HOW YOU WANT.. but just not a coordinated group of 12 that min/man. How is a 12 person group in PvP any different then a 123 person min/max PvE group?

We (ball group) go up against 30-40 people at one time.. a whole flipping zerg of people.... and get smoked all the time. It is fun battles. Should we ban zergs? Getting steam rolled as a solo against a zerg isn't that much fun either. With this logic just get rid of PvP all together?[/quote]

Those are the original poster's own words above...

forum_propagandist wrote: »

Akylles wrote: »

I've been playing since beta. I have certainly played lots of PvP in that time, but in no way am I anyone that stands out in terms of skill or reputation (except my outstanding PvChat kill streak record).

I've been around for the flying peeps, the infinite meteor bug, all of it. Through all of that, I can say with a strong degree of certainty that the MOST toxic thing I have ever seen in ESO PvP are ball groups. In literally zero ways does ZOS need to implement anything whatsoever to give any more advantage or user improvement to ball groups. The lemmings are already taking advantage of ESO combat systems (e.g., cross heals) in ball groups as it is.

Also, I'm going to have to call out an inconsistency here from OP. First, you say that you need to be anonymized because your ball group is so amazing everyone just runs away from you and you can't get any more fun 12v2...*ahem* I mean "combat"...in cyro anymore. However, then you claim that you are often fighting against zergs who will beat you down, and it's all fair-play wherein everyone gets their chance on top. If the latter was true, you wouldn't be complaining about the former...

This comment has a likelihood of being removed, which I'm fine with. The only thing I'd like to see is for ESO to have more things implemented to prevent/discourage ball groups, rather than promote them. They are seriously horrible and sad.

I'm sorry but at no point did I claim there were zergs who would beat me down in any way, shape, or form. Additionally, my post is complaining about other organized groups intentionally avoiding us to the best of their ability. The scenario of an organized group running down a smaller amount of players does occur, but is not relevant to this thread.

So, direct quote: "We (ball group) go up against 30-40 people at one time.. a whole flipping zerg of people.... and get smoked all the time." This would appear at odds with the original statement that you need to be anonymized because everyone flees from your ball group.

Moreover, the "scenario of an organized group running down a smaller amount of players" is literally 98/100 scenarios involving a ball group. So, it is germaine to this discussion.[/quote]

Are you intentionally misquoting the person who you are responding to? That isn't very constructive. I looked through all of the replies and that was never stated by the person who created the thread.

SerafinaWaterstar · July 3

Pointless as on ps the word would get out through zone chat & everyone would avoid you still.

My pvp guild avoids the ball groups & the trolls - they are usually wanting to dance around in a boring tower which is the most dull thing to do so we just leave, not because of ‘awesomeness’ or fear, just that ball groups are tedious timewasters.

A few ball groups are also disliked by their own faction as they do little to win the campaign & just want to reap AP for their own benefit.

Iriidius · July 5

You could change your usernames, and stop wearing tabards and streaming(or at least hide names in stream) if you don‘t want other people to recognice you. Because you are streaming they could see that you are playing and where you are even when you hide your name and cp number and it wont be difficult to know who you are except there are multiple other ballgroups in streamer mode because ballgroups not that difficult to detect. Or you could give other players a chance to win so they don‘t feel like they have to leave. If other equal strength ballgroups avoid you however they are cowards not interested in competitive fights.

TheLoreMaster420 wrote: »

Absolutely, I completely agree with you. Implementing a streamer mode in ESO would be a game-changer for both streamers and regular players. It’s essential for maintaining the competitive integrity and fun in PvP areas like Cyrodiil.

Your experience reminds me a lot of my time playing Rainbow Six Siege. In Siege, high-profile streamers often face stream sniping and targeted harassment because opponents can easily identify and exploit them. To combat this, Siege introduced a streamer mode that allows players to hide their usernames, rank, and other identifying information. This mode significantly improved the experience for streamers, allowing them to enjoy the game without being unfairly targeted.

Similarly, in ESO, hiding CP and names could level the playing field, encouraging more spontaneous and balanced encounters in PvP. Opposing groups wouldn’t have the opportunity to preemptively avoid stronger groups, leading to more dynamic and unpredictable battles. This would not only enhance the gameplay experience but also make streaming more enjoyable and engaging for viewers who come for the action and strategy, not for the predictable one-sided fights.

I hope the ESO developers consider this idea, as it could foster a healthier and more exciting PvP environment for everyone involved.

Hiding CP and names will maybe lead to more unpredictable fights because you don‘t know who you are fighting and if he is stronger or weaker than you but not to more balanced fights because the strength difference stays. Players/groups avoiding stronger players/groups usually do this because their chance to win the fight is very low or zero, if they cant see who they are fighting they will just get killed. Gankers however avoid every fight where their chance of winning is not near 100%. Why should players choose to fight if they have a 0% chance of winning? Right, because you don‘t let them choose or hide the fakt they have a 0% chance of winning. In experiments even rats will not fight other rats if thy dont win at least 30% of the fights. Player/group B will still always loose against player/group A, the only unpredictable thing will be not knowing who is player B and A.

Iriidius · July 5

Photosniper89 wrote: »

forum_propagandist wrote: »

How is having a function that hides my account's cp and name cheating? Do you just want to be able to recognize me so you

kyle.wilson wrote: »

You know who avoids ball groups like the plague, other ball groups.

Most ball groups also look for the path of least resistance. That's why ball groups bomb solo people too now.
During the phase I ran in ballgroups, it was unsporting to do that. But, I had a falling out with several guilds when they starting avoiding other ball groups with the sole desire to kill pugs and noobs.

If you want new people to join Cyrodiil, a toxic playstyle isn't going to get them to stay.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

I don't understand these kind of opinions. PLAY HOW YOU WANT.. but just not a coordinated group of 12 that min/man. How is a 12 person group in PvP any different then a 123 person min/max PvE group?

We (ball group) go up against 30-40 people at one time.. a whole flipping zerg of people.... and get smoked all the time. It is fun battles. Should we ban zergs? Getting steam rolled as a solo against a zerg isn't that much fun either. With this logic just get rid of PvP all together?

Currently it is PLAY HOW YOU WANT but just in a minmaxed coordinated group of 12 except you like getting farmed. Other playstiles exist because not everyone at all time has 11 other players with coordinated builds available, some players dont want to play in a ballgroup and not everyone has the skill and knowledge you need for a ballgroup, but definitely not because they can compete with a ballgroup, as soon as a ballgroup arrives other playstiles get destroyed and they can only succeed while there is no ballgroup around. I rather have play how you want except in a ballgroup than play how you want only in ballgroup, because first rule excludes 1 playstile and second rule all except 1.

12 person min/max PvE groups kill NPCs that don‘t feel and don’t care and dont get angry when they get killed in content designed for 12 man groups, while ballgroups kill players not balanced/ build for 12v12 fights and get angry/sad/annoyed/bored when killed in content designed not excludingly for ballgroups.
Ballgroups dont get killed often when fighting 30-40 players and almost always have a chance to kill a few of them and at least want to try, while as a solo player it is game over if you only see a zerg, even if you hit someone with your burst combo he will survive thanks to high hp and multi-target defensive sets and heals. It is definitely much less fun if you get zerged as a solo player and have not even a chance and noone to share your pain.
Ballgroups are not the protectors of solo players, they zerg them as much as zergs.

xDeusEJRx · July 5

I'm sorry OP but I'm not sure what you're expecting to happen with a "streamer mode", maybe it might prevent stream sniping but as a self admitted ball group player, people are gonna run away regardless of whether they know you or not

Me personally, If I come up to a fight and I see 10 radiating regens, echoing vigors, etc going off and the group is moving fast due to speed buffs I just walk away from the fight. Irrespective of whether I know them or not, I know I'm not gonna kill through 10 radiating regens, cross healing is just too powerful for me to even attempt it.

Now this is from POV of a solo player in pvp, but I see no reason to fight cross healing groups, Ball group or not, because no matter how small their healing ticks are, if they have 20 sources of cross healing, you usually don't win the fight ever.

Tommy_The_Gun · July 5

Even if something like this would be "ok-ish" to implement and somehow would not be considered a cheat and assuming players would be nice and would not abuse it (and of course players are like children and without any supervision they would abuse such system), it would not work for a simple reason:

ANY group will be the reson for others to quit or avoid it. Not to mention, every solo players with just a tiny bit of experience would also avoid every single ball group. They don't even need to see them, players can simply "feel" that ball group is near as game starts to lag out. Idk why it is the way it is, but you can have 70+ solo players fighting, but as soon as ball group is near (even a smaller fight like 10 vs 10) - then it all lags out.

Akylles · July 9

ForumSavant wrote: »

Akylles wrote: »

I don't understand these kind of opinions. PLAY HOW YOU WANT.. but just not a coordinated group of 12 that min/man. How is a 12 person group in PvP any different then a 123 person min/max PvE group?

We (ball group) go up against 30-40 people at one time.. a whole flipping zerg of people.... and get smoked all the time. It is fun battles. Should we ban zergs? Getting steam rolled as a solo against a zerg isn't that much fun either. With this logic just get rid of PvP all together?

Those are the original poster's own words above...

forum_propagandist wrote: »

Akylles wrote: »

I've been playing since beta. I have certainly played lots of PvP in that time, but in no way am I anyone that stands out in terms of skill or reputation (except my outstanding PvChat kill streak record).

I've been around for the flying peeps, the infinite meteor bug, all of it. Through all of that, I can say with a strong degree of certainty that the MOST toxic thing I have ever seen in ESO PvP are ball groups. In literally zero ways does ZOS need to implement anything whatsoever to give any more advantage or user improvement to ball groups. The lemmings are already taking advantage of ESO combat systems (e.g., cross heals) in ball groups as it is.

Also, I'm going to have to call out an inconsistency here from OP. First, you say that you need to be anonymized because your ball group is so amazing everyone just runs away from you and you can't get any more fun 12v2...*ahem* I mean "combat"...in cyro anymore. However, then you claim that you are often fighting against zergs who will beat you down, and it's all fair-play wherein everyone gets their chance on top. If the latter was true, you wouldn't be complaining about the former...

This comment has a likelihood of being removed, which I'm fine with. The only thing I'd like to see is for ESO to have more things implemented to prevent/discourage ball groups, rather than promote them. They are seriously horrible and sad.

I'm sorry but at no point did I claim there were zergs who would beat me down in any way, shape, or form. Additionally, my post is complaining about other organized groups intentionally avoiding us to the best of their ability. The scenario of an organized group running down a smaller amount of players does occur, but is not relevant to this thread.

So, direct quote: "We (ball group) go up against 30-40 people at one time.. a whole flipping zerg of people.... and get smoked all the time." This would appear at odds with the original statement that you need to be anonymized because everyone flees from your ball group.

Moreover, the "scenario of an organized group running down a smaller amount of players" is literally 98/100 scenarios involving a ball group. So, it is germaine to this discussion.[/quote]

Are you intentionally misquoting the person who you are responding to? That isn't very constructive. I looked through all of the replies and that was never stated by the person who created the thread.[/quote]

The original post was removed by moderators, and is now only visible in a post from someone else that has the quotes. I am not intentionally on unintentionally misquoting anyone, I am using their direct words.

TwiceBornStar · July 9

forum_propagandist wrote: »

ESO simply needs a streamer mode. The only time I enter pvp these days is to ballgroup and my group is just too strong. Opposing group avoid us in cyrodiil and cancel their raids if they are going to coincide with ours. A streamer mode could potentially hide our cp and names so our opposition doesn't run in fear at the sight of us.

I managed to kill a ballgroup on my own once with my necro. They were sitting on a tower. All neatly stacked together around their silly ballista. That was fun. Their leader jumped to his death willingly, because he didn't want to lose his Emperor status to little old me I suppose.

I wish I was a little bit taller, I wish I was a baller..