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just let us buy the ink
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Erickson9610✭✭✭✭✭
✭Just wanted to follow up here. We have heard this feedback regarding ink and have some plans to address some this. We are working on finalizing some things now, so we just need some time to make sure we're hitting a good balance.
Are these plans possibly slated for Update 43? The next PTS cycle begins in only a little over a week from now, which isn't a lot of time to finalize changes for the next update.PC/NA — Lone Werewolf, the Templar Khajiit Werewolf
Werewolf Should be Allowed to Sneak
Please give us Werewolf Skill Styles (for customizing our fur color), Grimoires/Scribing skills (to fill in the holes in our builds), and Companions (to transform with).0 -
M0ntie✭✭✭✭✭For goodness sake increase the drop rate or make some daily activity that guarantees a drop. I play a few hours a day and still only have 13 from doing the original quest line on one character, and maybe just the first part in another.
I haven’t actually done any scribing because I do t want to waste an ink0 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Just wanted to follow up here. We have heard this feedback regarding ink and have some plans to address some this. We are working on finalizing some things now, so we just need some time to make sure we're hitting a good balance.
Glad the team is listening. It would be great to actually be able to experiment with and utilize the scribing system without having to spend many hours across many weeks doing boring “content” (i.e. nothing but harvesting crafting nodes in resource-dense starter areas).1 -
CGPsaint✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Just wanted to follow up here. We have heard this feedback regarding ink and have some plans to address some this. We are working on finalizing some things now, so we just need some time to make sure we're hitting a good balance.
Hopefully there's some sort of consideration given for allowing players to scribe and save specific skills for specific builds. The fact that we cannot currently do so makes the abysmal ink drop rate all the more appalling. I was excited to be able to have a scribed skill with Major Breach on one build and then use that same skill with Major Vitality on a different build, only to find out I'd completely wasted 3 ink. That's pretty much when I completely dropped scribing and went back to my regularly scheduled programing."Some enjoy bringing grief to others. They remind M'aiq of mudcrabs—horrible creatures, with no redeeming qualities."1 -
TDVM✭✭✭✭Just buy them from players, what's the problem? Right now on PC EU can be bought for 30k each (if not less). You're asking to make the game too casual1 -
noblecron✭✭✭✭Technically ZOS wants the game to be for casual folk as well so I do kinda hope the ink becomes easier to get. I'm not asking for ink per resource, kill whatever. More just increase the drop rate a little from like the 0.0001 percent it's at to 1 percent at least1 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Just buy them from players, what's the problem? Right now on PC EU can be bought for 30k each (if not less). You're asking to make the game too casual
The problem is that players are asking too much. I am absolutely not spending 30k for ONE ink. 90k for one skill. Ludicrous. This is a system with thousands of possible combinations that are not account-wide. I would only be willing to spend 1-2k per ink max, and players most certainly are not advertising ink for 1-2k.
Why must it be a struggle for players to use a system they paid for and were hyped up to use? Why gatekeep scribing behind an insanely low RNG-based drop rate? I had to spend time working my way through the quests, had to spend time grinding out the scripts (only my main knows everything — still working away at it on my alts). Is that not effort enough?Edited by Aurielle on June 29, 2024 3:57PM9 -
noblecron✭✭✭✭Another thing I wouldnt mind is if they cut some quest steps in the scribing quests. Instead of finding key fragments for example, just find the key itself. Save time2
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DenverRalphy✭✭✭✭✭
✭There's tons of Ink already in Tamriel. The Traders are packed full of the stuff and can't get rid of it. It's all piling up.
Is it currently more expensive than needs be? Yep. But that's how it goes with every new content release. First Adopters pay through the nose, then the market for the product plummets. A week ago Ink was selling at 100k/per. Today you can buy it 20k/per. That's an 80% drop in just one week. In another week it'll be nearing 5k/per.
The point is, there's nothing wrong with the drop rate.
If there's a beef to be had about it, it's a Player Driven Economy issue, not a supply issue.
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Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DenverRalphy wrote: »There's tons of Ink already in Tamriel. The Traders are packed full of the stuff and can't get rid of it. It's all piling up.
Is it currently more expensive than needs be? Yep. But that's how it goes with every new content release. First Adopters pay through the nose, then the market for the product plummets. A week ago Ink was selling at 100k/per. Today you can buy it 20k/per. That's an 80% drop in just one week. In another week it'll be nearing 5k/per.
The point is, there's nothing wrong with the drop rate.
If there's a beef to be had about it, it's a Player Driven Economy issue, not a supply issue.
They can’t get rid of it because they’re STILL asking too much.
There is absolutely a problem with the drop rate — maybe not for some lucky players (the same ones posting their overpriced listings on the guild traders), but their experience is not representative of everyone’s. Some people here are claiming to have picked up 14-17 ink in an hour, while others of us are lucky to pick up just three (or even one) in the same amount of time while farming starter areas on dedicated farming builds.1 -
TaSheen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yeah, I don't have a lot right now, I've got a few here and there while grabbing nodes on my way somewhere. I wouldn't say RNG is all that kind to me as yet.______________________________________________________
"But even in books, the heroes make mistakes, and there isn't always a happy ending." Mercedes Lackey, Into the West
PC NA, PC EU (non steam)- four accounts, many alts....0 -
DenverRalphy✭✭✭✭✭
✭DenverRalphy wrote: »There's tons of Ink already in Tamriel. The Traders are packed full of the stuff and can't get rid of it. It's all piling up.
Is it currently more expensive than needs be? Yep. But that's how it goes with every new content release. First Adopters pay through the nose, then the market for the product plummets. A week ago Ink was selling at 100k/per. Today you can buy it 20k/per. That's an 80% drop in just one week. In another week it'll be nearing 5k/per.
The point is, there's nothing wrong with the drop rate.
If there's a beef to be had about it, it's a Player Driven Economy issue, not a supply issue.
They can’t get rid of it because they’re STILL asking too much.
There is absolutely a problem with the drop rate — maybe not for some lucky players (the same ones posting their overpriced listings on the guild traders), but their experience is not representative of everyone’s. Some people here are claiming to have picked up 14-17 ink in an hour, while others of us are lucky to pick up just three (or even one) in the same amount of time while farming starter areas on dedicated farming builds.
Yes, the prices are high. That's been established. But the price is also dropping rapidly due to the drop rate. If the drop rate were too low, the price wouldn't be falling like it is. The market is simply taking advantage of the opportunity created by the First Adopter phase of every content release, which is obviously coming to a close.
Edited by DenverRalphy on June 29, 2024 4:31PM0 -
EdjeSwift✭✭✭✭✭
✭DenverRalphy wrote: »Yes, the prices are high. That's been established. But the price is also dropping rapidly due to the drop rate. If the drop rate were too low, the price wouldn't be falling like it is. The market is simply taking advantage of the First Adopter phase of every content release, which is obviously coming to a close.
I wouldn't say this is the EXCLUSIVE reason the price is dropping.
I'd say the realization of how well-balanced/not meta pushing Scribing actually is has finally begun to settle in and people are realizing that they don't need multitudes of ink. People have been acting like Scribing is unlocking massively OP abilities and are MUST haves, but for the most part they're gap fillers and style choices, so it's no longer this amazing thing, but rather a well designed non-OP skillset that players can use but are absolutely not necessary. But the First Adopter penalty is 100% a thing; just like Mosaic Skill Shreds, they went from 120-200k a pop early down to 50-60k and soon even lower.Edited by EdjeSwift on June 29, 2024 4:35PMAntiquities Addict0 -
EF321✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Just buy them from players, what's the problem? Right now on PC EU can be bought for 30k each (if not less). You're asking to make the game too casual
The problem is that players are asking too much. I am absolutely not spending 30k for ONE ink. 90k for one skill. Ludicrous. This is a system with thousands of possible combinations that are not account-wide. I would only be willing to spend 1-2k per ink max, and players most certainly are not advertising ink for 1-2k.
Why must it be a struggle for players to use a system they paid for and were hyped up to use? Why gatekeep scribing behind an insanely low RNG-based drop rate? I had to spend time working my way through the quests, had to spend time grinding out the scripts (only my main knows everything — still working away at it on my alts). Is that not effort enough?
I paid for the game and started as level 1... with no gear or gold or consumables.
Almost like if this was RPG as advertised, on this very website:
Had to level up, unlock skill lines, find gear, consumables, materials, do quests, research traits, learn recipes, discover wayshrines, upgrade storage space, feed horse... why couldn't I just start as template character from PTS? What are all the progression elements doing in this Elder Scrolls RPG?0 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DenverRalphy wrote: »DenverRalphy wrote: »There's tons of Ink already in Tamriel. The Traders are packed full of the stuff and can't get rid of it. It's all piling up.
Is it currently more expensive than needs be? Yep. But that's how it goes with every new content release. First Adopters pay through the nose, then the market for the product plummets. A week ago Ink was selling at 100k/per. Today you can buy it 20k/per. That's an 80% drop in just one week. In another week it'll be nearing 5k/per.
The point is, there's nothing wrong with the drop rate.
If there's a beef to be had about it, it's a Player Driven Economy issue, not a supply issue.
They can’t get rid of it because they’re STILL asking too much.
There is absolutely a problem with the drop rate — maybe not for some lucky players (the same ones posting their overpriced listings on the guild traders), but their experience is not representative of everyone’s. Some people here are claiming to have picked up 14-17 ink in an hour, while others of us are lucky to pick up just three (or even one) in the same amount of time while farming starter areas on dedicated farming builds.
Yes, the prices are high. That's been established. But the price is also dropping rapidly due to the drop rate. If the drop rate were too low, the price wouldn't be falling like it is. The market is simply taking advantage of the opportunity created by the First Adopter phase of every content release, which is obviously coming to a close.
I’d venture a guess that the primary reason why the price is dropping has more to do with the fact that few are willing to buy ink at those ridiculous prices, not because ink is supposedly plentiful and driving costs down. People like me who want to experiment with the system (but can’t, due to consistent bad luck with drops) realize that spending many thousands of gold on ink via traders is unwise, given the uncertainty that a particular scribed skill will actually work with a particular build idea. My FOMO isn’t so bad that I’ll deplete my coffers for greedy players looking to capitalize on my bad luck. I’m optimistic that ZOS will do something about this so that we don’t have to rely on other players to use a system we paid for.5 -
Kappachi✭✭✭✭i have little desire to play around with scribing, mainly because the ink is hard to come by, but also because scribing's a bit meh in general. i might be tempted to play around a little if i could just buy the ink from a vendor for whatever, 1,000 gold a piece. i think playing around with scribing should be a lot more accessible. i think we should have the ability to easily switch a dot to a hot if we like. tip the inkwell over and let the ink flow...
You can just literally buy the ink, this is another item that's a stimulant for the player economy. It gives players something to go out and hunt and then sell to others for a price they all agree on. I love how you can earn gold just by playing through all content again, if they made it super easy to acquire then we'd be stuck with no rewards when going through RNDs for the 100th time.1 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Just buy them from players, what's the problem? Right now on PC EU can be bought for 30k each (if not less). You're asking to make the game too casual
The problem is that players are asking too much. I am absolutely not spending 30k for ONE ink. 90k for one skill. Ludicrous. This is a system with thousands of possible combinations that are not account-wide. I would only be willing to spend 1-2k per ink max, and players most certainly are not advertising ink for 1-2k.
Why must it be a struggle for players to use a system they paid for and were hyped up to use? Why gatekeep scribing behind an insanely low RNG-based drop rate? I had to spend time working my way through the quests, had to spend time grinding out the scripts (only my main knows everything — still working away at it on my alts). Is that not effort enough?
I paid for the game and started as level 1... with no gear or gold or consumables.
Almost like if this was RPG as advertised, on this very website:
Had to level up, unlock skill lines, find gear, consumables, materials, do quests, research traits, learn recipes, discover wayshrines, upgrade storage space, feed horse... why couldn't I just start as template character from PTS? What are all the progression elements doing in this Elder Scrolls RPG?
This is a disingenuous argument. You need to understand that scribing isn’t like levelling up your character or researching traits, or any of the other usual progression-based things offered by MMORPGs. It is an RNG-based system. Imagine if killing mobs only gave you a tiny CHANCE to earn XP — and you could kill a hundred mobs in an hour and only get XP one time, while some other person killed the same number of mobs in the same amount of time and got XP 17 times. That is what scribing is like.
No one is saying that we should be able to use scribing without putting any work into it — we’re simply saying that it would be nice to be able to play around with scribing PERIOD, without having to rely so much on RNG to do so. Gating progression behind RNG is simply bad game design. I’ve been able to experiment with the system a little bit, but have been extremely limited by poor luck with ink drops. Since the most recent ESO plus trial ended, I’ve only earned three ink after many, many hours of game play. That’s one skill for one character. I have seven.
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Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Just buy them from players, what's the problem? Right now on PC EU can be bought for 30k each (if not less). You're asking to make the game too casual
You've given the problem in your answer. Why should players at all levels who want to delve into the scribing system have to pour more gold into traders' coffers for the privilege of doing so, assuming they have the gold in the first place? The best part of a million gold to get just over 30 inks? Ridiculous!Edited by Tandor on June 29, 2024 5:24PM4 -
Wereswan✭✭DenverRalphy wrote: »There's tons of Ink already in Tamriel. The Traders are packed full of the stuff and can't get rid of it. It's all piling up.
Is it currently more expensive than needs be? Yep. But that's how it goes with every new content release. First Adopters pay through the nose, then the market for the product plummets. A week ago Ink was selling at 100k/per. Today you can buy it 20k/per. That's an 80% drop in just one week. In another week it'll be nearing 5k/per.
The point is, there's nothing wrong with the drop rate.
If there's a beef to be had about it, it's a Player Driven Economy issue, not a supply issue.
They can’t get rid of it because they’re STILL asking too much.
There is absolutely a problem with the drop rate — maybe not for some lucky players (the same ones posting their overpriced listings on the guild traders), but their experience is not representative of everyone’s. Some people here are claiming to have picked up 14-17 ink in an hour, while others of us are lucky to pick up just three (or even one) in the same amount of time while farming starter areas on dedicated farming builds.
Are you farming on an alt that knows scribing? There's a distinct difference in drop rate.0 -
Erickson9610✭✭✭✭✭
✭DenverRalphy wrote: »There's tons of Ink already in Tamriel. The Traders are packed full of the stuff and can't get rid of it. It's all piling up.
Is it currently more expensive than needs be? Yep. But that's how it goes with every new content release. First Adopters pay through the nose, then the market for the product plummets. A week ago Ink was selling at 100k/per. Today you can buy it 20k/per. That's an 80% drop in just one week. In another week it'll be nearing 5k/per.
The point is, there's nothing wrong with the drop rate.
If there's a beef to be had about it, it's a Player Driven Economy issue, not a supply issue.
They can’t get rid of it because they’re STILL asking too much.
There is absolutely a problem with the drop rate — maybe not for some lucky players (the same ones posting their overpriced listings on the guild traders), but their experience is not representative of everyone’s. Some people here are claiming to have picked up 14-17 ink in an hour, while others of us are lucky to pick up just three (or even one) in the same amount of time while farming starter areas on dedicated farming builds.
Are you farming on an alt that knows scribing? There's a distinct difference in drop rate.
This was confirmed to not be the case:Can you guys confirm or deny that all characters on an account that has unlocked the Sigils have an equal chance to acquire ink?
Checked in with the dev team on this. Yes they do. The base drop rate is account-wide. However an important caveat, the drop quantity can be impacted per character if Plentiful Harvest CP is invested in on a specific character.PC/NA — Lone Werewolf, the Templar Khajiit Werewolf
Werewolf Should be Allowed to Sneak
Please give us Werewolf Skill Styles (for customizing our fur color), Grimoires/Scribing skills (to fill in the holes in our builds), and Companions (to transform with).0 -
Wereswan✭✭Erickson9610 wrote: »DenverRalphy wrote: »There's tons of Ink already in Tamriel. The Traders are packed full of the stuff and can't get rid of it. It's all piling up.
Is it currently more expensive than needs be? Yep. But that's how it goes with every new content release. First Adopters pay through the nose, then the market for the product plummets. A week ago Ink was selling at 100k/per. Today you can buy it 20k/per. That's an 80% drop in just one week. In another week it'll be nearing 5k/per.
The point is, there's nothing wrong with the drop rate.
If there's a beef to be had about it, it's a Player Driven Economy issue, not a supply issue.
They can’t get rid of it because they’re STILL asking too much.
There is absolutely a problem with the drop rate — maybe not for some lucky players (the same ones posting their overpriced listings on the guild traders), but their experience is not representative of everyone’s. Some people here are claiming to have picked up 14-17 ink in an hour, while others of us are lucky to pick up just three (or even one) in the same amount of time while farming starter areas on dedicated farming builds.
Are you farming on an alt that knows scribing? There's a distinct difference in drop rate.
This was confirmed to not be the case:Can you guys confirm or deny that all characters on an account that has unlocked the Sigils have an equal chance to acquire ink?
Checked in with the dev team on this. Yes they do. The base drop rate is account-wide. However an important caveat, the drop quantity can be impacted per character if Plentiful Harvest CP is invested in on a specific character.
Interesting; it's definitely not CP, so guess it comes down to not hitting the nodes as hard.0 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DenverRalphy wrote: »There's tons of Ink already in Tamriel. The Traders are packed full of the stuff and can't get rid of it. It's all piling up.
Is it currently more expensive than needs be? Yep. But that's how it goes with every new content release. First Adopters pay through the nose, then the market for the product plummets. A week ago Ink was selling at 100k/per. Today you can buy it 20k/per. That's an 80% drop in just one week. In another week it'll be nearing 5k/per.
The point is, there's nothing wrong with the drop rate.
If there's a beef to be had about it, it's a Player Driven Economy issue, not a supply issue.
They can’t get rid of it because they’re STILL asking too much.
There is absolutely a problem with the drop rate — maybe not for some lucky players (the same ones posting their overpriced listings on the guild traders), but their experience is not representative of everyone’s. Some people here are claiming to have picked up 14-17 ink in an hour, while others of us are lucky to pick up just three (or even one) in the same amount of time while farming starter areas on dedicated farming builds.
Are you farming on an alt that knows scribing? There's a distinct difference in drop rate.
All of my characters know scribing, and I’ve tried grinding for ink on all of them. Dedicated farming has proven largely pointless, so I’ve given up on it. Even when I’m focusing on dedicated farming in speed gear, the amount of ink I get (most I’ve ever gotten is five in one hour) isn’t anywhere near worth the time and effort spent doing something I hate.
Again, I suspect that ink RNG may be bugged on some accounts. There are people who claim to be at over 100 ink already just with casual gameplay and no dedicated farming. I’ve been doing my usual stuff (mix of PVP, dungeons, and West Weald dailies/achievement hunting) and have also devoted several hours to dedicated ink farming, and I haven’t even hit the 40/50 mark in the Ink Accumulator achievement since unlocking scribing early in June.1 -
MidniteOwl1913✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Erickson9610 wrote: »DenverRalphy wrote: »There's tons of Ink already in Tamriel. The Traders are packed full of the stuff and can't get rid of it. It's all piling up.
Is it currently more expensive than needs be? Yep. But that's how it goes with every new content release. First Adopters pay through the nose, then the market for the product plummets. A week ago Ink was selling at 100k/per. Today you can buy it 20k/per. That's an 80% drop in just one week. In another week it'll be nearing 5k/per.
The point is, there's nothing wrong with the drop rate.
If there's a beef to be had about it, it's a Player Driven Economy issue, not a supply issue.
They can’t get rid of it because they’re STILL asking too much.
There is absolutely a problem with the drop rate — maybe not for some lucky players (the same ones posting their overpriced listings on the guild traders), but their experience is not representative of everyone’s. Some people here are claiming to have picked up 14-17 ink in an hour, while others of us are lucky to pick up just three (or even one) in the same amount of time while farming starter areas on dedicated farming builds.
Are you farming on an alt that knows scribing? There's a distinct difference in drop rate.
This was confirmed to not be the case:Can you guys confirm or deny that all characters on an account that has unlocked the Sigils have an equal chance to acquire ink?
Checked in with the dev team on this. Yes they do. The base drop rate is account-wide. However an important caveat, the drop quantity can be impacted per character if Plentiful Harvest CP is invested in on a specific character.
Interesting; it's definitely not CP, so guess it comes down to not hitting the nodes as hard.
Or the drop rate is bugged. Two hours of farming hundreds of nodes no ink. Three kuta, no ink.
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Wereswan✭✭MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »Erickson9610 wrote: »DenverRalphy wrote: »There's tons of Ink already in Tamriel. The Traders are packed full of the stuff and can't get rid of it. It's all piling up.
Is it currently more expensive than needs be? Yep. But that's how it goes with every new content release. First Adopters pay through the nose, then the market for the product plummets. A week ago Ink was selling at 100k/per. Today you can buy it 20k/per. That's an 80% drop in just one week. In another week it'll be nearing 5k/per.
The point is, there's nothing wrong with the drop rate.
If there's a beef to be had about it, it's a Player Driven Economy issue, not a supply issue.
They can’t get rid of it because they’re STILL asking too much.
There is absolutely a problem with the drop rate — maybe not for some lucky players (the same ones posting their overpriced listings on the guild traders), but their experience is not representative of everyone’s. Some people here are claiming to have picked up 14-17 ink in an hour, while others of us are lucky to pick up just three (or even one) in the same amount of time while farming starter areas on dedicated farming builds.
Are you farming on an alt that knows scribing? There's a distinct difference in drop rate.
This was confirmed to not be the case:Can you guys confirm or deny that all characters on an account that has unlocked the Sigils have an equal chance to acquire ink?
Checked in with the dev team on this. Yes they do. The base drop rate is account-wide. However an important caveat, the drop quantity can be impacted per character if Plentiful Harvest CP is invested in on a specific character.
Interesting; it's definitely not CP, so guess it comes down to not hitting the nodes as hard.
Or the drop rate is bugged. Two hours of farming hundreds of nodes no ink. Three kuta, no ink.
Sometimes it really does feel like the game knows what we're trying to get. My experience with trying to farm nirncrux during the last ESO+ trial was very little nirncrux, but 400-some ink.0
