More Base Game awkward dialogue

katanagirl1 · May 30

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

fizzylu wrote: »

Yeah, to be honest I don't remember much of High Isle dialogue and story wise (I did enjoy Galen though and it managed to keep me quite focused). I also wasn't a fan of that old woman investigator lady, every time I interacted with her it felt so odd and random. Also for the first time I hated the Lady Laurent and Stibbon's quest.... it made me uncomfortable, which was sad since that's usually a small highlight of some chapters.

Yes, that was horrid. Actually I found the whole chapter horrid. The stupid flirting you could not stop (by that old lady and Jakarn), the druid artifact quest in Llanshara. I'm not against "romance" or "adult" themes in general, but it felt horribly cheap and obtrusive. Badly written. And the whole chapter was overfraught with that.

Playnice wrote: »

ESO dialogue is increasingly filled with what feels like cheap slapstick comedy and innuendo.

I agree 100%, sadly!

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

This, this, this. It’s worse when it’s something awkward *cough*Fate’s Proxy*cough*, ‘Comrade’ and ‘Adept’ weren’t too bad, but when everyone’s calling me ‘Friend’ it sounds like they know they’re supposed to know my name but forgot it, or they just met me even when I’ve been questing on their behalf for some time.

"Hero" mostly makes me cringe. I can understand it if you actually just saved a character's life and they're the emotional type, but otherwise it sounds ridiculous.

Titles as placeholders in lieu of character names don’t bother me. Creepy old lecherous ladies that hit on my female toon constantly do.

Creepy lecherous guys too....

While we’re on the subject I’m still mad at what they did with Raz in Galen. 😐 NOT COOL ZOS! I saw Sound of Freedom and now I want to leave the room every time I come across him.

I just didn’t like it because Raz has always been a ladies man. Then out of left field this. Doesn’t make sense.

Syldras · May 30

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I just didn’t like it because Raz has always been a ladies man. Then out of left field this. Doesn’t make sense.

It seemed to me like whoever wrote dialogues at that point had no real clue about the background of older returning characters. There was a similar mistake at Zenithar's festival where the player character asks Naryu about things they can't even know, because the events talked about were never part of the game, but only ever mentioned in the Morrowind trailer and in the real, printed book that was part of the Morrowind limited edition box. Many players who never saw these were utterly confused.

Jaraal · May 30

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I just didn’t like it because Raz has always been a ladies man. Then out of left field this. Doesn’t make sense.

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And that's the type of thing that happens when story creators come and go and are replaced with a (slowly?) revolving door of new writers. Sometimes the original concept of characters is lost, or is modified by the nuances with which the new copy writers view life. It's not unlike the grade school game of 20 kids sitting around a table and a brief tale is whispered in one ear, and then passed on to the next, and on down the line until the last kid is asked what the first one said, which invariably turns out to be something completely different than what it started out as.

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Syldras · May 30

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Both are objectionable from a lore standpoint, but not quite to the point that I want to drop the character into a volcano.

I would have already thrown him into a volcano before

I find him extremely annoying.

Jaraal wrote: »

And that's the type of thing that happens when story creators come and go and are replaced with a (slowly?) revolving door of new writers. Sometimes the original concept of characters is lost, or is modified by the nuances with which the new copy writers view life.

I don't think it's unavoidable. Even UESP has a page for every single NPC in the game, including the story of the quests they were involved in and all their dialogue. If taken seriously, you would check these things for a returning character before you write new dialogue for them, so you have a good idea of who they are and what they usually do and say. Of course there can still be subtle differences in tone, but what happened to Razum-dar and Naryu were very obvious mistakes.

katanagirl1 · May 30

Syldras wrote: »

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Both are objectionable from a lore standpoint, but not quite to the point that I want to drop the character into a volcano.

I would have already thrown him into a volcano before I find him extremely annoying.

Jaraal wrote: »

And that's the type of thing that happens when story creators come and go and are replaced with a (slowly?) revolving door of new writers. Sometimes the original concept of characters is lost, or is modified by the nuances with which the new copy writers view life.

I don't think it's unavoidable. Even UESP has a page for every single NPC in the game, including the story of the quests they were involved in and all their dialogue. If taken seriously, you would check these things for a returning character before you write new dialogue for them, so you have a good idea of who they are and what they usually do and say. Of course there can still be subtle differences in tone, but what happened to Razum-dar and Naryu were very obvious mistakes.

In the base game, Raz was witty, funny, and charming. In Summerset he seemed confused. In that quest in High Isle he was sort of back to his old self, but then that comment about a sudden change in preference for partners.

He used to be one of my favorite characters but that ruined it for me.

vsrs_au · May 30

Syldras wrote: »

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Both are objectionable from a lore standpoint, but not quite to the point that I want to drop the character into a volcano.

I would have already thrown him into a volcano before I find him extremely annoying.

Jaraal wrote: »

And that's the type of thing that happens when story creators come and go and are replaced with a (slowly?) revolving door of new writers. Sometimes the original concept of characters is lost, or is modified by the nuances with which the new copy writers view life.

I don't think it's unavoidable. Even UESP has a page for every single NPC in the game, including the story of the quests they were involved in and all their dialogue. If taken seriously, you would check these things for a returning character before you write new dialogue for them, so you have a good idea of who they are and what they usually do and say. Of course there can still be subtle differences in tone, but what happened to Razum-dar and Naryu were very obvious mistakes.

UESP shouldn't even be needed. Any company managing any kind of artistic/creative content should have procedures in place to ensure that a suitable handover occurs between whoever creates the content and their successors. In other words: you don't just show the new people to their chairs and say "write this NPC's story for the next chapter", obviously you'd need to set some ground rules for what the NPC can/cannot say and do.

Syldras · May 30

katanagirl1 wrote: »

In the base game, Raz was witty, funny, and charming. In Summerset he seemed confused. In that quest in High Isle he was sort of back to his old self, but then that comment about a sudden change in preference for partners.
He used to be one of my favorite characters but that ruined it for me.

Not sure how much the dialogues in the translation I played differ, but I found nothing witty in him. He seemed very full of himself (like "Oh, this one is so handsome, smart and charming! Everyone loves this one!") while being of average intelligence at most. I have nothing against confident characters, not even against haughty ones. But their pride should be justified by actually being of outstanding talent, intelligence or power. Of course not every character has to be to my liking, and a world needs idiots too, so non-idiots can shine more

I just don't find these braggard types appealing at all.

Syldras · May 30

vsrs_au wrote: »

UESP shouldn't even be needed. Any company managing any kind of artistic/creative content should have procedures in place to ensure that a suitable handover occurs between whoever creates the content and their successors. In other words: you don't just show the new people to their chairs and say "write this NPC's story for the next chapter", obviously you'd need to set some ground rules for what the NPC can/cannot say and do.

I didn't mean that ZOS should use UESP, I just wanted to point out that even an amateur project made by people in their freetime manages to keep track of every single npc so thoroughly - so a company whose job it is to write these stories should even more so be able to do that. Which makes it even more astonishing how often ZOS fails at that and gets returning characters completely wrong.

vsrs_au · May 30

Syldras wrote: »

vsrs_au wrote: »

UESP shouldn't even be needed. Any company managing any kind of artistic/creative content should have procedures in place to ensure that a suitable handover occurs between whoever creates the content and their successors. In other words: you don't just show the new people to their chairs and say "write this NPC's story for the next chapter", obviously you'd need to set some ground rules for what the NPC can/cannot say and do.

I didn't mean that ZOS should use UESP, I just wanted to point out that even an amateur project made by people in their freetime manages to keep track of every single npc so thoroughly - so a company whose job it is to write these stories should even more so be able to do that. Which makes it even more astonishing how often ZOS fails at that and gets returning characters completely wrong.

I know, and I agree, sorry to give the impression I misunderstood you.

Jaraal · May 30

Syldras wrote: »

vsrs_au wrote: »

UESP shouldn't even be needed. Any company managing any kind of artistic/creative content should have procedures in place to ensure that a suitable handover occurs between whoever creates the content and their successors. In other words: you don't just show the new people to their chairs and say "write this NPC's story for the next chapter", obviously you'd need to set some ground rules for what the NPC can/cannot say and do.

I didn't mean that ZOS should use UESP, I just wanted to point out that even an amateur project made by people in their freetime manages to keep track of every single npc so thoroughly - so a company whose job it is to write these stories should even more so be able to do that. Which makes it even more astonishing how often ZOS fails at that and gets returning characters completely wrong.

Look how many Loremasters they've gone through. Hard to keep track of NPC nuances when the ones overseeing story development are new to it themselves. And when you look at how characters who gave their lives to save Tamriel in the main story are shockingly brought back to life as if nothing happened to promote new DLC, or how 20 years of Bosmer stealth lore was revoked for a PvP only passive, then something as simple as one character's change in partner interest seems relatively innocuous.

vsrs_au · May 30

Jaraal wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

vsrs_au wrote: »

UESP shouldn't even be needed. Any company managing any kind of artistic/creative content should have procedures in place to ensure that a suitable handover occurs between whoever creates the content and their successors. In other words: you don't just show the new people to their chairs and say "write this NPC's story for the next chapter", obviously you'd need to set some ground rules for what the NPC can/cannot say and do.

I didn't mean that ZOS should use UESP, I just wanted to point out that even an amateur project made by people in their freetime manages to keep track of every single npc so thoroughly - so a company whose job it is to write these stories should even more so be able to do that. Which makes it even more astonishing how often ZOS fails at that and gets returning characters completely wrong.

Look how many Loremasters they've gone through. Hard to keep track of NPC nuances when the ones overseeing story development are new to it themselves.

That was the point I was trying to make earlier (I guess I didn't phrase it properly): my point is that staff handovers and transfers of information from old to new staff should make it easy to keep track of NPC nuances.

cyclonus11 · May 30

All of those times NPCs say "damned Imperials" or worse directly to my face, an Imperial...

Syldras · May 30

vsrs_au wrote: »

I know, and I agree, sorry to give the impression I misunderstood you.

No problem at all!

Jaraal wrote: »

Look how many Loremasters they've gone through. Hard to keep track of NPC nuances when the ones overseeing story development are new to it themselves.

It's not the loremaster alone, though, but a small team of people. There had been a name list on the official website, let me have a look if I find it again... No, unfortunately not right now. It was a very, very long credits list, that even included the name of the orchestra, the choir and the recording studio for the background music... Anyway, if I'm not wrong, the lore team consisted of one lead lore guy and then another 3, 4 or 5 people or so. You'd think that at least one of them would notice obvious mistakes and throw in a veto before release.

I also read that the current loremaster isn't actually new. Him being the leading lore person is new, but he had already been a member of the ESO writing and lore team for several years before (I think his job was given as "lore assistant" or something like that). Same goes for other lore team people. They're not complete strangers. And even if they were, normally you'd think they'd been given loads of information to work with, to ensure consistency. I would never blame one of these individuals. If so, ZOS would be the place to complain, for not preparing their writers/lorepeople sufficiently.

Jaraal wrote: »

And when you look at how characters who gave their lives to save Tamriel in the main story are shockingly brought back to life as if nothing happened to promote new DLC

That's something I never understood. I mean, it's obvious they do this deliberately (they just can't have forgotten that these characters had been sacrificed during the main quest in the base game), but it's just... terrible design?! If I was to write a huge epic story, I would never want such obvious plotholes in it. Doesn't matter if these dead characters are popular and could be used for promotion again, it's still awful.

WhiteCoatSyndrome · May 31

Syldras wrote: »

Not sure how much the dialogues in the translation I played differ, but I found nothing witty in him. He seemed very full of himself (like "Oh, this one is so handsome, smart and charming! Everyone loves this one!") while being of average intelligence at most.

Can you give an example? I’ve only played the English version and it’s been a while since I played through the base game quests, but the first line that comes to mind was this one:

"You contact agent Fistalle on the east side of town. This one pads around her house. Then, we meet to discuss her report. Too bad Raz is so handsome, yes? He would get noticed."

And in that instance, we’re doing spy work to uncover the Veiled Heritance. The implication is that Raz will be recognized if he contacts Fistalle himself (aside from being a prominent member of the Queen’s spy network, his hair/mane color is very distinctive) and he’s covering with typical Khajiiti bravado because 1.) he’s a Khajiit and 2.) this is spy work, being screamingly obvious about what he means would be out of place. He’s not trying to claim he’s too pretty to do the job.

Syldras wrote: »

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Yes, if Raz were in his 40’s (or the Khajiiti equivalent), one could maybe fudge it and say that someone ten years his junior was a ‘boy’ and still have both parties be adults, but he’s not.

And yes, the Khajiit in general are not sexually repressed at all:

Life is short. If you have not made love recently, please, put down this book, and take care of that with all haste. Find a wanton lass or a frisky lad, or several, in whatever combination your wise loins direct, and do not under any circumstances play hard to get. Our struggle against the colossal forces of oppression can wait.

…and Raz is a typical Khajiit in that regard. If he swung both ways, it should have come up long before this.

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Syldras · May 31

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Can you give an example?

It's hard to find a quote as there's nothing like UESP in my language. But I can certainly tell you that in that translation he often remarks how irresistible women would find him and how handsome he was (basically all the time), and it does not come across as a excuse or joke, like in that quest with Fistalle. Although him being easily recognizable because of his appearance leads to another question: Why choose someone so distinctive looking as a spy? And why not someone who could magically alter their appearance at any time, I'm certain there are skilled Altmer mages in the Dominion who can both fight and are masters of illusion magic? Wouldn't that make much more sense? Anyway: From the way I perceived Razum-dar in the base game, I wasn't astonished at all that it peaked in that quest in his hometown in Elsweyr, where he seduced 3 sisters, seemed to have promised each one of them to marry her, and then just disappeared. There's even a crown store pet that has a description to Razum-dar fathering kids everywhere and leaving them:
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Ja'khajiit_Raz
"Sweet young things like to give this one kittens as keepsakes," says Eye of the Queen Razum-dar, "but raising a pet is not consistent with Raz's romantic but itinerant life of intrigue. Perhaps you could give cute Ja'khajiit a good home, yes?"

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Yes, if Raz were in his 40’s (or the Khajiiti equivalent), one could maybe fudge it and say that someone ten years his junior was a ‘boy’ and still have both parties be adults, but he’s not.

How old is he, by the way? I find it hard to estimate, because, you know, he's a cat

All I know is he makes many remarks about how he adventured with Ayrenn before she became queen, but does he ever give any date or something like that (like "5 years ago") or some event where we can estimate when it took place? Or do we know how old Ayrenn is?

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

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WhiteCoatSyndrome · May 31

Syldras wrote: »

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Can you give an example?

It's hard to find a quote as there's nothing like UESP in my language. But I can certainly tell you that in that translation he often remarks how irresistible women would find him and how handsome he was (basically all the time), and it does not come across as a excuse or joke, like in that quest with Fistalle.

Then the best I can tell you is that some of the nuance seems to have been lost in translation. He’s got a bit of swagger in the English version, yes, but no more than is typical for a Khajiit.

Syldras wrote: »

Although him being easily recognizable because of his appearance leads to another question: Why choose someone so distinctive looking as a spy? And why not someone who could magically alter their appearance at any time, I'm certain there are skilled Altmer mages in the Dominion who can both fight and are masters of illusion magic? Wouldn't that make much more sense?

This one is easy however. Raz is in the Eyes because he and the Queen are adventuring buddies (from the time she ran away from home prepared for Praxis and Ceremoniarchy in her own fashion of independent study) he’s loyal to her and she trusts him. And he’s clever and sneaky, so a good spy. (And he does use illusion disguises occasionally, he gives you one later in that questline.)

Recall that especially when we first meet him, a good chunk of Summerset is at best leery of Ayrenn as Queen; as we see in the Auridon questline she jumps through a lot of hoops to get rid of the actual hostile parties and reassure the rest.

Syldras wrote: »

There's even a crown store pet that has a description to Razum-dar fathering kids everywhere and leaving them:
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Ja'khajiit_Raz
"Sweet young things like to give this one kittens as keepsakes," says Eye of the Queen Razum-dar, "but raising a pet is not consistent with Raz's romantic but itinerant life of intrigue. Perhaps you could give cute Ja'khajiit a good home, yes?"

Cats aren’t Khajiit, even if the Alfiq look like them. Note also he says ‘pet’, not ‘child.’

Syldras wrote: »

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Yes, if Raz were in his 40’s (or the Khajiiti equivalent), one could maybe fudge it and say that someone ten years his junior was a ‘boy’ and still have both parties be adults, but he’s not.

How old is he, by the way? I find it hard to estimate, because, you know, he's a cat All I know is he makes many remarks about how he adventured with Ayrenn before she became queen, but does he ever give any date or something like that (like "5 years ago") or some event where we can estimate when it took place? Or do we know how old Ayrenn is?

Ayrenn was born on the 5th of Second Seed in the year 555 of the Second Era (so 5/5/555). She left home and started adventuring about age 18 and became Queen at about age 25. ESO starts in 582 so she’s 27 or thereabouts when the game starts.

I don’t recall Raz having his age nailed down quite so concretely. He just says it’s been ‘years’ since this or that tracking down bad guys but while that fits the Queen’s timeline it doesn’t narrow it down. His mother doesn’t look that old:

And I don’t think the Khajiit have longer-than-human lifespans like the mer do.

My best guess is that he’s around Ayrenn’s age, so mid-twenties at most.

Syldras · May 31

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Then the best I can tell you is that some of the nuance seems to have been lost in translation. He’s got a bit of swagger in the English version, yes, but no more than is typical for a Khajiit.

Makes me wonder how often that changes the overall perception of a character. There are many "fan favorites" I find totally obnoxious (including Naryu who seems horribly obtrusive, and Darien who comes across as slightly dumb and just, well, boring? Fennorian is okay, though).

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

This one is easy however. Raz is in the Eyes because he and the Queen are adventuring buddies (from the time she ran away from home prepared for Praxis and Ceremoniarchy in her own fashion of independent study) he’s loyal to her and she trusts him. And he’s clever and sneaky, so a good spy. (And he does use illusion disguises occasionally, he gives you one later in that questline.)

Wasn't that spell that made him look like Ayrenn cast by someone else? It's been a while since I played that quest. Anyway, as a spy he could try to look less conspicuous

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Cats aren’t Khajiit, even if the Alfiq look like them. Note also he says ‘pet’, not ‘child.’

He says "pet", but he also calls it "Ja'khajiit" (and that's also the official name of it) which is the Khajiit language's term for a Khajiit child. Also, we have never officially seen the child of a Khajiit yet, so it's possible that they (or some of them, depending on subrace) look like this.

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

My best guess is that he’s around Ayrenn’s age, so mid-twenties at most.

So calling other men "boy" would still be possible in his age group.

fizzylu · May 31

Syldras wrote: »

Makes me wonder how often that changes the overall perception of a character. There are many "fan favorites" I find totally obnoxious (including Naryu who seems horribly obtrusive, and Darien who comes across as slightly dumb and just, well, boring? Fennorian is okay, though).

Now you have me thinking about how much I dislike Naryu, haha. I used to think she was okay at least, but I felt like the little side quest with her in Necrom kind of focused more on all her not very great personality traits and I kind of want nothing to do with her after that.

WhiteCoatSyndrome · May 31

Syldras wrote: »

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Cats aren’t Khajiit, even if the Alfiq look like them. Note also he says ‘pet’, not ‘child.’

He says "pet", but he also calls it "Ja'khajiit" (and that's also the official name of it) which is the Khajiit language's term for a Khajiit child.

No, Jha’Khajiit specifically means kitten. And even humans will sometimes call their children ‘kitten’ as an endearment, so while yes you’ll see some crossover (Mizzik Thunderboots entire first quest revolved around that!) that doesn’t make a housecat dressed up to look like Raz his child.

Syldras wrote: »

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

My best guess is that he’s around Ayrenn’s age, so mid-twenties at most.

So calling other men "boy" would still be possible in his age group.

Not in the context he’s using the word in, unless he’s referring to literal children, hence the objection. In that particular context, ‘a nice young druid man’ or even just ‘a nice druid man’ with no age qualifier would have been more appropriate - it would still be eyeroll-worthy for the aforementioned reasons, but not volcano-worthy.

Syldras · May 31

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

No, Jha’Khajiit specifically means kitten. And even humans will sometimes call their children ‘kitten’ as an endearment,

Is that common in the USA? Because here, no one does that.

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

that doesn’t make a housecat dressed up to look like Raz his child.

But why would one gift one's lover a housecat that looks like him? I know there's a media trope that guys gift their girlfriends puppies (or maybe it has really been that way decades ago), but they usually don't seem to dress up the puppy to look like the girlfriend

Also, it seems uncommon to gift pets to men.

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Not in the context he’s using the word in, unless he’s referring to literal children, hence the objection. In that particular context, ‘a nice young druid man’ or even just ‘a nice druid man’ with no age qualifier would have been more appropriate - it would still be eyeroll-worthy for the aforementioned reasons, but not volcano-worthy.

I'm not sure about that. I've heard younger adult men using "boy" synonymously to "guy". So they'd call themself a "boy", say "me and the boys" when referring to themselves and their group of friends, and also call other men their age "boy".

I see this all seems to come down to cultural and language differences

Jaraal · May 31

Syldras wrote: »

Razum-dar said he was looking for a nice "druid boy". In some languages that might seem weird when you actually mean an adult man. I think this is what causes the whole issue.

Why would one assume Raz was looking for an adult man? Because that would make it seem more acceptable? And I don't know about other languages but in English, an adult male saying that they were "looking to meet a nice boy" is a pretty clear statement of intention.

Something else I haven't seen mentioned yet is that "boy" is also a racial slur in some cultures. However, that doesn't seem to fit the context here.

Syldras · May 31

Jaraal wrote: »

Why would one assume Raz was looking for an adult man? Because that would make it seem more acceptable?

Because it would be insane for a multi billion dollar company to portray an adult searching for a child in that context in a positive light. It's totally clear this would cause a huge outrage.

Jaraal wrote: »

And I don't know about other languages but in English, an adult male saying that they were "looking to meet a nice boy" is a pretty clear statement of intention.

I have no clue about the "looking for" part, but calling an adult man "boy" does happen in the German-speaking countries (Germany, Austria, parts of Switzerland) among younger adult people, and the last time I've been in Italy, I still got called "ragazzo" (which means "boy" or "young man") all the time, although I was in my early 30's. And I can ensure you that, while I might look a bit younger than my age, I don't look like a 12-year-old.

TaSheen · May 31

Jaraal wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

Razum-dar said he was looking for a nice "druid boy". In some languages that might seem weird when you actually mean an adult man. I think this is what causes the whole issue.

Why would one assume Raz was looking for an adult man? Because that would make it seem more acceptable? And I don't know about other languages but in English, an adult male saying that they were "looking to meet a nice boy" is a pretty clear statement of intention.

Something else I haven't seen mentioned yet is that "boy" is also a racial slur in some cultures. However, that doesn't seem to fit the context here.

Yeah, I hinted at it in post #60 - I really didn't want to get too specific, as y'know.... I like my posting privs.

Araneae6537 · May 31

Syldras wrote: »

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

No, Jha’Khajiit specifically means kitten. And even humans will sometimes call their children ‘kitten’ as an endearment,

Is that common in the USA? Because here, no one does that.

Nooo, I’ve never heard that. Honestly, I think most people would think it weird, or even creepy, depending on the context.

But regarding the other issue under discussion, I don’t think it unusual here to use the term “boy” or “girl” to refer to an adult, although sometimes in some contexts it seems strange or even disrespectful to me, so maybe some regional or generational variation. Certainly people still use the terms “boyfriend” and “girlfriend” to refer to a significant other, even if both are over fifty!

TaSheen · May 31

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

No, Jha’Khajiit specifically means kitten. And even humans will sometimes call their children ‘kitten’ as an endearment,

Is that common in the USA? Because here, no one does that.

Nooo, I’ve never heard that. Honestly, I think most people would think it weird, or even creepy, depending on the context.

It's actually fairly common in the area where I live: small girls are frequently called "kitten" by moms and grandmas (mostly). Here it's used as a special term for a young female relative. "Pet" is also used occasionally in the same manner.

Syldras · May 31

TaSheen wrote: »

It's actually fairly common in the area where I live: small girls are frequently called "kitten" by moms and grandmas (mostly). Here it's used as a special term for a young female relative. "Pet" is also used occasionally in the same manner.

Pet? That would be a complete insult here (and people would probably call the child welfare office immediately if they'd hear a parent calling their child that). So we're at cultural differences again.

ArchMikem · May 31

TaSheen wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

No, Jha’Khajiit specifically means kitten. And even humans will sometimes call their children ‘kitten’ as an endearment,

Is that common in the USA? Because here, no one does that.

Nooo, I’ve never heard that. Honestly, I think most people would think it weird, or even creepy, depending on the context.

It's actually fairly common in the area where I live: small girls are frequently called "kitten" by moms and grandmas (mostly). Here it's used as a special term for a young female relative. "Pet" is also used occasionally in the same manner.

It's not just associating girls with cats. A Female Youth is referred as "Kitten" while Male Youths are "Pup". Essentially Girls are Cats and Boys are Dogs.

I live in the Pacific Northwest and I've NEVER heard anyone refer to anyone else (in a non sexual manner) as "Pet". That's a very intimate nickname used in teasing/flirting.

Jaraal · May 31

ArchMikem wrote: »

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No, Jha’Khajiit specifically means kitten. And even humans will sometimes call their children ‘kitten’ as an endearment,

Is that common in the USA? Because here, no one does that.

Nooo, I’ve never heard that. Honestly, I think most people would think it weird, or even creepy, depending on the context.

It's actually fairly common in the area where I live: small girls are frequently called "kitten" by moms and grandmas (mostly). Here it's used as a special term for a young female relative. "Pet" is also used occasionally in the same manner.

It's not just associating girls with cats. A Female Youth is referred as "Kitten" while Male Youths are "Pup". Essentially Girls are Cats and Boys are Dogs.

And children collectively are goats! (kids)

ZOS_Icy · June 1

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