Hapexamendios wrote: »I've seen that line many times and never cared. Still don't.
Hapexamendios wrote: »I've seen that line many times and never cared. Still don't.
Fantasy racism and bigotry has been a key component of TES games from the beginning. This should surprise no one. However, many people can't separate certain portions of the RPG aspect of games from real life. I mean, you're running around killing people in game by the hundreds and thousands, which the extreme majority of people wouldn't do once they stood up from the computer. But if a Dunmer hates and enslaves and mistreats an Argonian (two races that aren't even real), some will take offense at that type of interaction.
Fantasy racism and bigotry has been a key component of TES games from the beginning. This should surprise no one. However, many people can't separate certain portions of the RPG aspect of games from real life. I mean, you're running around killing people in game by the hundreds and thousands, which the extreme majority of people wouldn't do once they stood up from the computer. But if a Dunmer hates and enslaves and mistreats an Argonian (two races that aren't even real), some will take offense at that type of interaction.
It’s not the fantasy racism that is the issue. It’s the obliviousness of it by who they are talking too.
They should have had a separate line of dialogue if the player character was an argonian or a khajiit. It makes no sense to have an npc to say a line like that to one of those two races.
SatanicSister wrote: »That screenshot is taking things out of context. Merric just found out that his argonian friend is a murderer and that his khajiit friend used some form of necromancy-like magic to bind previous guildmasters soul. Obviously he's pissed and angry at them two, hence the comment. It's not aimed at the entire race.
Fantasy racism and bigotry has been a key component of TES games from the beginning. This should surprise no one. However, many people can't separate certain portions of the RPG aspect of games from real life. I mean, you're running around killing people in game by the hundreds and thousands, which the extreme majority of people wouldn't do once they stood up from the computer. But if a Dunmer hates and enslaves and mistreats an Argonian (two races that aren't even real), some will take offense at that type of interaction.
It’s not the fantasy racism that is the issue. It’s the obliviousness of it by who they are talking too.
They should have had a separate line of dialogue if the player character was an argonian or a khajiit. It makes no sense to have an npc to say a line like that to one of those two races.
Why would an NPC choose to lie to one race about their bigotry? If a Redguard hates cats, he should be able to say it to cats as well. Especially in a world where everybody is ready to fight at the drop of a hat.
Correct me if I'm wrong but this is from a quest in the Alik'r Desert right? Keep in mind that this dialogue was written before One Tamriel was a thing. Back when you weren't supposed to experience this quest as anything other than an Orc, Breton, Redguard, or Imperial. So it makes sense that there is no failsafe if you're a Khajiit.
SatanicSister wrote: »That screenshot is taking things out of context. Merric just found out that his argonian friend is a murderer and that his khajiit friend used some form of necromancy-like magic to bind previous guildmasters soul. Obviously he's pissed and angry at them two, hence the comment. It's not aimed at the entire race.
If it were a personal insult aimed at Sees and Aelif specifically, then he wouldn't have used plural generalizing terms "Lizards and Cats".
You wouldn't say "Hell take Asians." because you were angry with your friend from Japan.
Fantasy racism and bigotry has been a key component of TES games from the beginning. This should surprise no one. However, many people can't separate certain portions of the RPG aspect of games from real life. I mean, you're running around killing people in game by the hundreds and thousands, which the extreme majority of people wouldn't do once they stood up from the computer. But if a Dunmer hates and enslaves and mistreats an Argonian (two races that aren't even real), some will take offense at that type of interaction.
It’s not the fantasy racism that is the issue. It’s the obliviousness of it by who they are talking too.
They should have had a separate line of dialogue if the player character was an argonian or a khajiit. It makes no sense to have an npc to say a line like that to one of those two races.
Rkindaleft wrote: »Merric is a bigot confirmed.
If it were a personal insult aimed at Sees and Aelif specifically, then he wouldn't have used plural generalizing terms "Lizards and Cats".
You wouldn't say "Hell take Asians." because you were angry with your friend from Japan.
Warhawke_80 wrote: »Fantasy racism and bigotry has been a key component of TES games from the beginning. This should surprise no one. However, many people can't separate certain portions of the RPG aspect of games from real life. I mean, you're running around killing people in game by the hundreds and thousands, which the extreme majority of people wouldn't do once they stood up from the computer. But if a Dunmer hates and enslaves and mistreats an Argonian (two races that aren't even real), some will take offense at that type of interaction.
It’s not the fantasy racism that is the issue. It’s the obliviousness of it by who they are talking too.
They should have had a separate line of dialogue if the player character was an argonian or a khajiit. It makes no sense to have an npc to say a line like that to one of those two races.
Okay if we are going to say that a good 25% of the dialogue would have to be rewritten...
Let me check with "Imaginary Racism" marketing and see if we have that in the budget....
No ...no we don't.
Araneae6537 wrote: »Warhawke_80 wrote: »Fantasy racism and bigotry has been a key component of TES games from the beginning. This should surprise no one. However, many people can't separate certain portions of the RPG aspect of games from real life. I mean, you're running around killing people in game by the hundreds and thousands, which the extreme majority of people wouldn't do once they stood up from the computer. But if a Dunmer hates and enslaves and mistreats an Argonian (two races that aren't even real), some will take offense at that type of interaction.
It’s not the fantasy racism that is the issue. It’s the obliviousness of it by who they are talking too.
They should have had a separate line of dialogue if the player character was an argonian or a khajiit. It makes no sense to have an npc to say a line like that to one of those two races.
Okay if we are going to say that a good 25% of the dialogue would have to be rewritten...
Let me check with "Imaginary Racism" marketing and see if we have that in the budget....
No ...no we don't.
It’s called immersion, and doesn’t just refer to racist comments. It’s very dissonant when an NPC talks to my character of the same race as they as if I were not. I do appreciate that this wasn’t overlooked in Summerset and in some cases, one even has the option to agree with the NPC or not. I prefer my characters to feel a part of the world.
Fantasy racism and bigotry has been a key component of TES games from the beginning. This should surprise no one. However, many people can't separate certain portions of the RPG aspect of games from real life. I mean, you're running around killing people in game by the hundreds and thousands, which the extreme majority of people wouldn't do once they stood up from the computer. But if a Dunmer hates and enslaves and mistreats an Argonian (two races that aren't even real), some will take offense at that type of interaction.
It’s not the fantasy racism that is the issue. It’s the obliviousness of it by who they are talking too.
They should have had a separate line of dialogue if the player character was an argonian or a khajiit. It makes no sense to have an npc to say a line like that to one of those two races.
Why would an NPC choose to lie to one race about their bigotry? If a Redguard hates cats, he should be able to say it to cats as well. Especially in a world where everybody is ready to fight at the drop of a hat.
LOL. I wish the dialogue was more intelligent when it comes to stuff like this. I've had NPCs lecture about Bosmers and how they live, and I'm like, "Uh, hi?" Points at self.
It's good though that Mel Adrys reacts to your vampirism at the end of Hrota Cave quest. A pity that Verandis does not...barney2525 wrote: »LOL. I wish the dialogue was more intelligent when it comes to stuff like this. I've had NPCs lecture about Bosmers and how they live, and I'm like, "Uh, hi?" Points at self.
I've had NPCs tell my Vampire character to kill off as many vampires as I could with the information they gave me. Because that NPC hates vampires.
Drammanoth wrote: »It's good though that Mel Adrys reacts to your vampirism at the end of Hrota Cave quest. A pity that Verandis does not...barney2525 wrote: »LOL. I wish the dialogue was more intelligent when it comes to stuff like this. I've had NPCs lecture about Bosmers and how they live, and I'm like, "Uh, hi?" Points at self.
I've had NPCs tell my Vampire character to kill off as many vampires as I could with the information they gave me. Because that NPC hates vampires.
What did Aelif do that was disgusting, and why was I not invited?