ganzaeso wrote: »

@ZOS_Kevin

If the server must roll back, only roll back accounts that logged into PTS. Then Track down any transactions they made on live after PTS went live. Hopefully this was caught before anyone thought to exploit it heavily.

That would be work. Easier for them to rollback despite all of us losing out big time.

ADarklore wrote: »

I'd rather they just keep servers as is and BAN all the players who benefited from using the exploit, because clearly they KNEW something was amiss. Surely there couldn't be THAT many accounts that would need to be actioned, after all, the PTS was only up a short period of time.

What about the goods/money those players transferred/sold/gifted to other unsuspecting players? I think in this situation a rollback is all they can do.

ZoeliTintanie wrote: »

What happened anyway? I havent been in game since last night.

so PTS went live and so did some nasty bugs
people were able to port their pts (fully maxed out toon, billion in gold, and several crowns) over into live, it was like this for at least 20minutes until the pts was pulled and then the live server.
We all know what players can do in 1 min with these exploits let alone 20mins.

sarahthes wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

We need a rollback, the damage caused by a bunch of dirty exploiters bringing back tens of billions of gold from the PTS to Live has to be fixed by any means necessary otherwise the player economy will see prices double overnight, infact saying they double would be an understatement because a lot of these players would of brought back their PTS template characters who have containers which contain infinite materials, there would be a complete economical collapse.

Someone mentioned on another thread before they saw someone giving away over 200 attunable stations away for free, the fact they did not try to charge for them also implies they brought back billions of gold, that is a very bad thing.

People got the gold and mats without doing anything wrong. The people who distributed it are obviously wrong, but merely getting the gold by accident was not the fault of the players. To get it you just had to go to PTS and make a new character. That's it.

They chose to log onto the PTS characters when they knew what that would entail.

ADarklore wrote: »

I'd rather they just keep servers as is and BAN all the players who benefited from using the exploit, because clearly they KNEW something was amiss. Surely there couldn't be THAT many accounts that would need to be actioned, after all, the PTS was only up a short period of time.

Not possible. The consequences of this error are so big that people already know the server would be rolled back the moment it was discovered, and everything that they did from that point on until the server went offline would be entirely inconsequential and would be reversed nonetheless, which just disproves maliciousness in their actions.

It'd also be extremely difficult to prove that this "exploit" was abused; plenty of players have addons that automate a bunch of things, like depositing gear and gold into the bank. I suspect that it would be difficult (not impossible) for them to tell whether certain actions were taken from the PTS server and which ones were taken from the NA-Live server, since both were using the same database and both could technically be logged into at the same time.

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

We need a rollback, the damage caused by a bunch of dirty exploiters bringing back tens of billions of gold from the PTS to Live has to be fixed by any means necessary otherwise the player economy will see prices double overnight, infact saying they double would be an understatement because a lot of these players would of brought back their PTS template characters who have containers which contain infinite materials, there would be a complete economical collapse.

Someone mentioned on another thread before they saw someone giving away over 200 attunable stations away for free, the fact they did not try to charge for them also implies they brought back billions of gold, that is a very bad thing.

People got the gold and mats without doing anything wrong. The people who distributed it are obviously wrong, but merely getting the gold by accident was not the fault of the players. To get it you just had to go to PTS and make a new character. That's it.

They chose to log onto the PTS characters when they knew what that would entail.

As a matter of fact, we did not know. Our group has scheduled a raid for 5pm ET (5am my time) on the PTS to test out the new trial, and when the PTS finally went online at 5:30pm, we all logged in.

In order to know "what that would entail", people would first have to find out what is going on, either by experiencing it themselves or keeping track of active communications within the community.

I did bring up the possibility of people trying to exploit this, but since we had realized that the server would be rolled back (lots of combined software development experience in the group to reach that conclusion), any havoc anyone decides to cause from that point on would be entirely inconsequential.

For the record, I do not believe any of us in the group went ahead to do those things; we scheduled the raid for next day and logged off to do something else or play on the EU server.

I'm sure most reasonable folks would agree:

Logging into PTS: no punishment
Logging into LIVE afterwards: no punishment
Doing *anything* to launder the PTS loot/gold *on live*: Straight to Banistan.

Azrael001 wrote: »

I have spent 16 and a half hours and cleared 412 geysers and I FINALLY got the Ul'vor staff today from a geyser. If that has to be rolled back to save characters, that would only be fine if you add the pages to the event store for 5 tickets and extent the event by at least 2 days. This grind is the worst I've seen yet for a time-limited item and honestly doing any more of it will probably make me rapidly reach my breaking point with ESO after all these years. AND I've still got the Vvardenfell pages to get.

I would keep this in mind and be prepared to open a ticket with Support. In fact, don't know if I wouldn't go ahead and open that ticket sooner rather than later.

Its too bad you can't login to produce evidence of this now but maybe something can be done. I hope so. gl

So PTS characters were somehow being replicated on the live servers? The next few meetings for the related software teams should be interesting, then...

Tongue in cheek...this patch is so bad it ruined Live before even getting out of PTS.

Assuming what I read in forums is what actually happened, roll back. Start over. Delay PTS by 1 week or more.

I was on PTS when it went boom and I'm not at all worried about blowback. I found the Craglorn entrance to the West Weald, found three or four wayshrines, between there and Skingrad, had one NPC interaction along the way, ignored Leramil, and was on my way out of Skingrad to find the Reaper's March and Gold Coast entrances (if they exist) when they took it down. Nothing bought, in-game mail not collected (existing PC NA character, so that carried over), ... I'm mostly miffed about being locked out of the game during my regular play time and during an event. That's some event tickets and reward boxes that I'm not going to get unless ZOS does something like extend the event for a day on PC NA.

I'm going to share the frustration of players who may have proc'd something nice during that window between PTS going up and both servers being taken down, but I wasn't there, so I am only missing the potential play time and counting myself lucky on that.

sarahthes wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

I'd rather they just keep servers as is and BAN all the players who benefited from using the exploit, because clearly they KNEW something was amiss. Surely there couldn't be THAT many accounts that would need to be actioned, after all, the PTS was only up a short period of time.

What about all the players whose only crime was to delete an existing char on PTS and make a new char for testing things?

Every single one of those accounts, whether they logged from PTS to live or not, got boosted to 3600 CP, given 1 billion gold, and given max other currencies. Also, the characters they deleted on PTS got deleted on live.

So should they just permanently lose their characters???? Even though they didn't log from PTS to live? Because the databases got linked, and what was done on PTS got done to characters and accounts on live.

I think any reasonable person would draw the line at logging into Live and doing anything with the PTS gold/loot. That's where it turns from innocent to intentional exploiting. I also think that's what ADarklore meant.

ADarklore wrote: »

I'd rather they just keep servers as is and BAN all the players who benefited from using the exploit, because clearly they KNEW something was amiss. Surely there couldn't be THAT many accounts that would need to be actioned, after all, the PTS was only up a short period of time.

I agree. Those of us who did nothing wrong don't deserve to lose any progress that we've made. Time is the most valuable aspect that we have, and I know many of us have invested ridiculous amounts of our personal time earning rewards and grinding for those style pages. Anyone who chose to indulge in the exploit did so knowing it was wrong, and only those few should have to deal with any consequences whatsoever.