Why do players jump like monkeys in PvP?

EF321 · March 2024

EF321 wrote: »

To preserve momentum. Mainly for jumpblocking, so you can move at close to normal speed while having block down for only 0.05 seconds to jump again.

Here, check the difference:

https://youtu.be/M6NODNuYotY

AnduinTryggva · March 2024

Duke_Falcon wrote: »

As a Sorc I have to jump sometimes to get my Curse or Mages Wrath skill to hit the target. So if there's just a little bump in the road or a tiny rock between me and my target I have to jump so the "line of sight" is out of the way. I know it sounds silly but its a thing. I'm guessing its a bug in the game or something like that, but jumping helps it.

I think it is pretty clear who is jumping occasionally for the reasons you cite and who is doing it as a means to move around.

AnduinTryggva · March 2024

EF321 wrote: »

EF321 wrote: »

To preserve momentum. Mainly for jumpblocking, so you can move at close to normal speed while having block down for only 0.05 seconds to jump again.

Here, check the difference:
https://youtu.be/M6NODNuYotY

That is just such a flawed implementation.

Araneae6537 · March 2024

Because it looks ridiculous.

joshisanonymous · March 2024

I'm pretty confident that, for the vast vast majority of people who do this, it's nothing more than a habit. You can go all the way back to early MMOs like DAoC and find people doing this where it absolutely gives no mechanical benefit. There was a guy who made a video claiming the following benefits in ESO:

Being able to swing the camera to look behind you while still moving forward at the same speed.
Better targeting of an enemy player who is behind another enemy player.
Continuous speed while blocking.

(1) isn't necessary since there's a keybind that lets you swing the camera freely while moving. (2) and (3) are valid, but they don't require you to constantly jump as many people do but rather to jump only when you're in those situations.

Kaelthorn_Nightbloom · March 2024

In PvP, sometimes I jump to keep my tempo up during Dark Deal because I can't do anything else due to the cast time.

Dax_Draconis · March 2024

I thought the hopping around was a legit PvP tactic since I see so many do it. I tried it during the event and still died quickly.

Urvoth · March 2024

ESO's physics can be weird and sometimes you can gain more space and continue momentum if you're hit by certain CCs while mid air

valenwood_vegan · March 2024

I sometimes find myself jumping without even really thinking about it, as a way of keeping my rhythm in combat.

It's a habit that actually began for me in PvE - I'd just start jumping sometimes to count down the seconds while waiting for things to happen (like for the loot to spawn at the end of a dolmen or volcanic vent for example).

I certainly am not seeking, nor do I believe it provides, any real advantage when I do it... it's just a weird habit that developed over time for me.

Jamie_Aubrey · March 2024

Only Sorcs are allowed to jump, if you're not a Sorc it's illegal

LunaFlora · March 2024

jumping is fun

addition:
i also jump in PvE.
jumping is just genuinely fun to do in videogames.

especially with eso personalities like Deadlands Firewalker and Zombie

Blood_again · March 2024

As an experienced PvEer, try to kill a boss without pressing light or heavy attack. Did you feel like your fingers try do do it themselves?
That's why PvPers jump

TX12001rwb17_ESO · March 2024

How about make it so if you are attacked in midair you get stunned?

TX12001rwb17_ESO · March 2024

Aorys wrote: »

to benefit of the high latency and make it harder to hit them

That sounds like an exploit.

Avran_Sylt · March 2024

EF321 wrote: »

EF321 wrote: »

To preserve momentum. Mainly for jumpblocking, so you can move at close to normal speed while having block down for only 0.05 seconds to jump again.

Here, check the difference:
https://youtu.be/M6NODNuYotY

Huh, that seems unintended.

moo_2021 · March 2024

Do you bind jump to left hand or right hand, if you constantly jump?

DrNukenstein · March 2024

Some sorc mains like to use external software that makes them sprint jump and block all with one one button press.

I see it regularly discussed in some discords populated by prominent members of the community.

limitswitch · March 2024

The jumpblocking thing is cool and practical knowledge.

Personally, I just jump around for the same reason people like to move their mouse cursor in a circle on loading screens.

LunaFlora · March 2024

moo_2021 wrote: »

Do you bind jump to left hand or right hand, if you constantly jump?

x button on my controller is pretty easy to press whilst moving

StihlReign · March 2024

For comedy?

...or ultra comedy (seeing a dragon-knight snatch a jumper = ultra comedy).

Hapexamendios · March 2024

I avoid fighting so a different alliance I will leave them be or if they're the same alliance offer them a banana.

Turtle_Bot · March 2024

Mostly habit now, but since my first (and main) character is a sorc it was a few things:
- it helps me keep the 1 second tempo (ESOs GCD cadence and conveniently also roughly the same time that a jump lasts).
- it also gives me something to do while I wait for all the cast times on sorcs abilities since dodgerolling and blocking cancel the ability cast altogether.
- it also helps to keep the muscle memory going for bunny-hopping which is a common movement mechanic in MMOs and shooters.

As others have said, it doesn't really add anything mechanically to the game, but it helps with things like keeping tempo which is good so as to not just fall back into mindless button mashing.
Moving around a lot is also just good practice in PvP since a moving target is harder to hit in general than a stationary one and jumping adds a vertical component to this movement aspect as well as the standard horizontal movement.

LannStone · March 2024

Funny, I was going to ask this very question when I saw this post
For me on PC, jumping is awkward because it's bound to space bar
I was wondering if it's mainly a controller thing
Is it?

sunshineflame · March 2024

There is no benefit....but they perceive a benefit so they do it because not taking advantage of something is not what they do

MasterSpatula · March 2024

I know lots of reasons people claim, most of which seem to be working on unfounded or unproven assumptions of how the game works.

But, to me at least, I've always thought the behavior looks like a taunt. And if you're actually capable of targeting and hitting anyone while jumping around like that, you probably have the skills or at least the reflexes to feel pretty warranted in taunting other players.

Whatever people claim, or even believe, I genuinely think that's the biggest part of it. Maybe subconsciously so, but definitely because it's a way of throwing other players off and expressing a hint of superiority.

fizzylu · March 2024

I play a magsorc but I jump like crazy in pretty much every game I play, even in PvE.... so hearing that people take it as some sort of negative, "oh~ look at me~" behavior is something I just can't understand. And why do I do it? I don't know, it just kind of naturally happens and my hands do it without me really thinking about it. I'm not even a super meta chaser or the type to take ESO "endgame" seriously at all, so I didn't even know about the "advantages" some players claim jumping has until I came across threads like this. I will say, I don't really notice a performance/skill difference when I am jumping vs when I am not and have never felt like enemy players who do so are more difficult to kill either. The only real difference I can say it makes in my experience is that it helps ESO combat to be less boring. I could fall asleep attacking some of these enemies with massive health bars that aren't even a real threat to my character, so the jumping around helps to keep me more engaged.

moo_2021 · March 2024

Tried it today and seems like a great way to move faster without sprinting in combat, and to confuse close ranged opponents by repeatedly jumping over them. It just needs some more practice with my bash weaving. The aim is certainly not affected.

Jaraal · March 2024

It's just COD habits. ESO hitboxes are much larger and don't have a top and bottom like other games.

It's actually detrimental, as you can't travel as far and and as fast as you can in a straight line. You also can't dodge as well when you're up in the air, until you land again. But some people use the space bar as a cadence monitor to time cooldowns.

i11ionward · March 2024

Duke_Falcon wrote: »

As a Sorc I have to jump sometimes to get my Curse or Mages Wrath skill to hit the target. So if there's just a little bump in the road or a tiny rock between me and my target I have to jump so the "line of sight" is out of the way. I know it sounds silly but its a thing. I'm guessing its a bug in the game or something like that, but jumping helps it.

Yes, it is. If you play a long-range character, you can jump up and take a shot at the player behind the obstacle.

Major_Toughness · March 2024

It is actually detrimental to gameplay. For example if you get stunned mid-air, you usually can't break free until you land, increasing the time it takes for you to break free.

You also can't change direction mid-air so it's harder to avoid AoEs if you're jumping into it.

Although even I do it, a lot of it is habit and can help with targeting enemies, such as jumping to view over an obstacle which allows you to fire an attack before landing.

Which also goes the other way where you might show yourself but jumping over an obstacle which was giving you cover.

It is mostly just habit, and kind of like a metronome to me, keeps a rhythm.