Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

Nah, they really shouldn't cancel MYM because of those reasons. They should cancel MYM because noone wants to PvP.

I know what I'll be doing during that event: Grab my tickets as fast as possible, be annoyed by all the delays and time wasted due to gankers/PvPers, and then log off for the rest of the day while being annoyed.

PS: Don't make us go to multiple PvP zones to get all the event tickets in PvP events, as that's even more annoying on top of PvP itself being annoying/stupid.

Don't make us do Dungeons and PvE stuff for tickets during every other event of the year when all I want to do is PvP.

See how unrealistic that request is? There's literally 2 PvP events a year - either skip the event or suck it up and PvP.

There is a major difference.

PVP players can easily do PVE content (especially in the context of an event where there are no hard mechancis to deal with)

HOWEVER

PVE players can not so easily do PVP content events due to the very specific and meta gearing necessary, along with the associated playstyles/rotations.

I have been PVPing for 20+ years as my primary activity in MMORPGs, never had an issue with running a dungeon. But I see many PVE players have a myriad of issues doing PVP.

They are not the same thing.

I frequently get to Tier 1 on PvE characters geared with a PvE meta that is 4+ years old. Often I can do this and contribute meaningfully to the fights, rezzing or healing. I'll help stand in the seige that needs multiple people to work. No special gear or rotations necessary.

I love MYM and it being canceled until PvP was fixed would sadden me greatly as it is my favorite event.

And I say this as someone who primarily raids.

Vulkunne wrote: »

Auldwulfe wrote: »

Adremal wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

No, it is not "the same" for PvP, unless you compare that to Trials, which some of us will never do. I can't even do some group dungeons.

Having the eye-finger coordination is much harder for some. Doable enough for much PvE content, but impossible when going against players that can take a full massive hit and get 0 damage, then 1-shot me. I am not in proper PvP gear, but really?

Getting ganked 5 times in a row (last time I tried during an event) killed the idea of trying to run some of the quests.

Those of you who love ganking need to learn that the ganked will stop being your targets when it is useless to even try.

It would be much better if I played against others with my skill, but nothing enforces that now, something many here miss.

It’s absolutely true that different people struggle with content that others find easy in this game. But that doesn’t mean an entire event should not exist... You wouldn’t cancel dungeon events because some people struggle to complete dungeons on normal difficulty. Similarly, PVP events should not be cancelled because some PVEers don’t like PVP.

As has been pointed out multiple times in this thread, you can pre-load MYM quests, complete them in dead campaigns before the event when there’s no one around (see: no CP campaign) and turn them in during the event without ever having to encounter another player at a quest objective. Heck, even I am pre-loading the quests, and I’m a PVPer! I’d much rather spend my time earning double AP during the event, not doing quests.

This really isn’t difficult to do. I frankly think it’s extremely toxic of anyone who is anti-PVP to insist every year that this event shouldn’t exist — especially after all the helpful advice that has been given. I could understand getting upset if the event required you to kill another player to get event tickets, but that’s obviously not how it works. These are quick, painfully easy quests that can be done in advance in dead campaigns where your chances of running into another player are infinitesimally small.

The pre-loading method only works if you know about it, if you have enough alts and if you can avoid people who actively hunt pre-loaders down (yes they are thing). Other than that sure, that's an option and I use it myself in case I'll have to be offline for some days, but it's telling of how sorry the state of PvP is. I bet there are gonna be people, like many other times, who'd rather skip the event. Especially since not much seems to have been fixed in the last couple of years (such was the length of the break I took and I didn't stay up to date, but I'm seeing "more of the same").

I do have to agree --- the very fact that we NEED to create guides and offer advice to people on how to do an event without doing the core part of that event, screams that there are issues with that activity. I tend to just use low level alts with things like steed mundus, cp's for mount speed and stamina, and making sure I have continuous attack, so that I can get scouts done in a reasonable time frame ---

For in city, if I feel I need those tickets, I go with a vampire NB built with as much stealth as I can, and sneak around.....
Most of them, I can finish without ever being seen.... and I tend towards the arena one, as I can, if I feel like waiting for respawn times, do it without ever leaving the platform......

However, again, the fact that we are creating strategies, rather than just having fun at the event, shows how UNFUN the PVP has become for a VERY large part of the population......

Auldwulfe

To me that is fun... creating strategies. That's part of the fun of it and dare I say, part of the heart of it. The only really bad thing as I see it is the login wait times and lag.

I mean... would ya really want to be running around in places like Imperial City without a plan?

I agree with the creating strategies... but the fact that we have a LOT of people preloading for the event, just to avoid the PVP completely is very telling. The constant stream of complaints in the PVP channel of this very forum is a very strong example of some of the issues we have ......

For those complaining about having to do PVE events, I will say the same as I say to those complaining about PVP -- you don't have to do events... they are not mandatory, but for those that are PVP, please understand.... when you do a PVE, you don't have to worry about another player killing you, just as you get to location, and then having to travel all that way.... again.
It isn't the same -- a little courtesy goes a long way. When I see someone doing a scout, I will always try and let them finish the animation before I assist them with a teleport back to their base...... a little kindness can make this whole thing a LOT better for all.

Auldwulfe

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

Sorry, but that is just my opinion on PvP. And, I can honestly say I have never prevented or delayed anyone from getting their event tickets during a PvE event. So that should not happen in PvP events either.

Also, I have nothing against PvPers or PvP in general(I just hate it). And do feel ZOS needs to pay attention to PvP. But being 'forced' into it is wrong on so many levels. PvP requires levels, gear, skill, skillpoints, preparation, reflexes, stable internet, etc... not everyone can do that. Besides that, I do not think PvP in ESO is actually really PvP. It is more of a gankfest. PvP needs some really serious changes to make it accessible for everyone, before players should ever be 'forced' into it.

If players actually wanted to PvP in ESO, those zones would be packed when there isn't an event going on.

Jierdanit wrote: »

Those lucky PvPers who only have to PvE basically everyday to get their gear and consumables that are totally not important can't even imagine your pain.

Well, to be honest this is one of the things ZOS should change about PvP in my opinion. No potions, no food/drinks, basic gear sets/loadout choices, dpsgap removed, no add-ons, etc... to make PvP truly fair and more easily accessible, even for PvPers. Fair PvP battles would be more fun for everyone.
The problem is: Most players do not want fair PvP.

100% spot on!

This is one of the things I miss the most about WOW pvp, the sets are curated by the devs speifically for each class/spec, allowing true skill (not cheese proc/gear) to win, and better balanced gameplay.

And you are right. The primary difference with a PVP player doing a PVE event vs a PVE player doing a PVP event is that in ESO any PVPer worth their salt can easily do the PVE event challenges. This is not the case when reversed. A PVE player has a much more difficult time obtaining the rewards.

Feeding improperly geared/trained PVE players into a PVP event is just bad design full stop.

What's WOW?

I love reading these mayhem threads every year. It's always the same. It's somehow not fair that people are forced to PvP. And the counter argument is PvPers have to PvE every other event for rewards. This is a PvP event. It's supposed to be fun. I primarily PvP in this game and I die all the time. But I still have fun. Maybe if folks didn't need instant gratification in the form of pixel prizes, they could just see it as another way to have fun. All of this is just silly.

Maybe part of it is PvPers need to be in a PvP zone to get event tickets so it only makes sense, at least for events, that the "rules" apply to everyone. Outside of events could be problematic as well. Unless they let PvPers get perfected gear without fighting bosses, it would be tough to explain how any of it is "fair". People who regularly PvP don't really need PvEers to beat up on.

Auldwulfe wrote: »

Stridig wrote: »

Maybe part of it is PvPers need to be in a PvP zone to get event tickets so it only makes sense, at least for events, that the "rules" apply to everyone. Outside of events could be problematic as well. Unless they let PvPers get perfected gear without fighting bosses, it would be tough to explain how any of it is "fair". People who regularly PvP don't really need PvEers to beat up on.

I understand that --- but at the same time, when a PVP person does a quest in PVE for a ticket, they aren't forced to ride from Bangkorai to Glenumbra to do it, with the chance that a random wandering PVE player can just make them restart back at Bangkorai and do it again.

I am open to both, but I do understand how each person feels.... and that's a huge part of it... PVP'ers can use the same wayshrines everyone uses to do their quests.... it isn't dying that the PVE players have a problem with... that happens... it's dying, and having to restart the quest from whatever location they had come out from in the first place... and in PVE, you don't deal with campers. I saw it the other day when some champion 2000 was camping the skyshard near the scroll temple that new players use to do the quest and get the continuous attack for their mount speed.

How much of other people's time did he waste for a quick dopamine rush...??

That is what the PVE people get most annoyed with --- it isn't the quests, and it's not even dying... but having to respawn back at a start point, instead of just using a soulstone right there, and waste a bunch of time going through the whole travel thing, that is what ends up being so annoying.

Auldwulfe

I understand how both sides feel. From my perspective there is risk vs reward in the pvp areas. There are a large number of skyshards in Cyro for example ncluding ones behind gates the risk vs reward to get those should be the same for everyone, not just a riding simulator for those who dont want to go into a pvp related zone. Same for the fishing etc. i would advise maybe going with a buddy to res each other, and keep recall stones to help out

(99% pve'er here who did all skyshards and solo dolmen in Greyhost as I fancied the personal challenge lol).

1. It's funny when PvErs complain about wah wah PvP event. I HATE doing PUG & random dungeons but do I complain about Undaunted event and say it should be cancelled? No
2. I do agree the stuck in combat is an issue. My biggest complaint is the giant queue times and also getting booted from the server after waiting in giant queues. GH queue priority should go to alliance loyalists (aka people who have only ever had one alliance set in GH) and possibly something like minimum 4 million AP earned account wide. It's disgusting having to wait 2+ hours while alliance hoppers and part timers are in there

I'm going nuts!

What does MYM mean?
Move Your Manager?
Manager Your Missiles?

WHAT DOES IT MEAN
REEEE

StihlReign wrote: »

In the game's current state MYM should be cancelled. The PvP experience has deteriorated to a state where it can take 10 minutes or more to get out of combat.

Repeated forced suicide is the only real option to continue playing after an encounter since we're often stuck in combat.

Friendly player heals prompt stuck in combat as well, so even if you die, and rez at the wayshrine, you should expect to enter combat if a healer is present and throwing around abilities.

Since you can't mount during this state, you should expect gameplay will be slow, grouping will be frustrating, and the flow of fighting will be erratic and tiresome as you wait for the game to release.

Buffs can also be affected by this state - stuck in combat is often paired with a nasty cocktail of other unresolved bugs and errors - see 49710.

This is the worst I've seen the SIC bug in years, and with no formal comment from the devs, we should expect it to continue unabated until either the skill, or the will to resolve the issue presents itself.

Just use a Health alliance pot or any pot that gives stealth.

Eyr0n wrote: »

MyM is the only event where IC is mandatory to get tickets..

Didn't an event (1 or 2 ago) require an IC quest for a ticket? I remember that, but perhaps I am remembering incorrectly.

You can get it standing on the safe area of the platform of Arena, but that can take a long time if not enough citizens are getting rescued.

I have been playing PVP (Cyrodiil) in this game for most of the ten years I have been playing.

I played extensively over this event and I have to say, the performance is the best it has been in years. I've been in some extraordinary battles this weekend, with upwards of 70 players of each faction fighting over a keep - one or two of those fights were crazy. Gameplay was pretty smooth, skills were firing, siege engines were firing, the whole thing reminded me of the early days of massive battles - great fun!

If you're struggling in PVP right now, I strongly urge you to check your addons (and turn them off while in Cyrodiil, especially trade-related addons which are known to kill bandwidth), and check your local connections and kit.

I appreciate performance can be a bit flaky still in Cyrodiil, but two-three years ago it was waaaaaay worse than this!

Auldwulfe wrote: »

I have been thinking over these comments for a few days, now... and I keep coming back to one question.
Many PVE players are asking for a side instance of Cyrodiil with just the quests, and no PVP -- it would take nothing away from the PVP players... they would still have their PVP zone... but many of them are against that, and I have to ask .....why?

It's NOT a good look, as it makes the PVP'ers look desperate to have people to beat up on.... despite already having each other for that.

Creating a copy zone, that is just PVE for those that want the quests and achievements for those, would take NOTHING from the PVP crowd in any way.

I'm just curious as to WHY the PVP'ers are so against having an instance that they wouldn't even have to go to, and would not be forced to partake in, to get their tickets.

Auldwulfe

They do have a side instance, NO CP PVP zones. I PVP daily and for the daily event quests even I go to the no-CP zones. It's quicker and hardly anyone there.

FoJul wrote: »

Just use a Health alliance pot or any pot that gives stealth.

Doesn't work. SIC often survives death.

So I decided to participate more in this year's MYM. And it can be fun at times when you are on a PvP character, and not on a PvE character(cannonfodder). Being on a PvE character is just too damn frustrating.

What I did was get all 20 of my characters to atleast tier 1 twice, before and after the campaign reset. And I was able to do so. Haven't really been in IC, only to grab my tickets. Only two of those 20 characters were PvP builds. Completed over 40 entire town's available quests, and used quite a bit of siege equipment to help capture keeps.

Some of my thoughts on MYM:
-PvE gear should be viable even in PvP. Just because someone doesn't have a PvP build, doesn't mean they should stand 0 chance against someone.
-The dps, survivability, gear, resource, and skill level between different player types is MUCH MUCH too large. (Biggest obstacle to enter Cyrodiil.)
-There should be safezones scattered in the wild all around Cyrodiil, so players can safely take a small break/go afk/toilet/etc. Not anywhere near any possible battle locations though, so it won't interfere with the combat/PvP.
-There were dryspills where I didn't get a single AP tick at all for hours, even though I was constantly in battles! Just not at a keep/capturable town/resource. Felt like a waste of my time.
-Haven't had a disconnect or crash the entire time I was in Cyrodiil, which was about atleast 4-5 hours per day. And I've been in large battles, met ball groups, etc. Performance to me seemed mostly fine/perfect.
-Event tickets should all be gained at once. Not having to go to two different PvP zones, which also often means double queue's during an event.
-Cyrodiil can be/feel toxic at times. Where griefers/gankers/PvP builds hold chokepoints(questkeepers/near spawnpoints/etc) and keep killing you over and over and over and over. With nothing that can be done about it, because PvE builds don't stand even the slightest chance versus these players.

Possible bugs/issues:
-Arcanist's fatecarver(beam) practically never seems to hit the targeted player unless they are standing perfectly still or moving straight at me. Is this a lag/delay issue, where players seem to be somewhere they are not? (this issue hit me the most, as I loved playing my arcanists, and it felt really unfair.)
-Some players seem to fire 5-6 skills within a second, isn't there a global cooldown on skills?
-Town quests that take players into delves should be changed to gather something outside that delve, so we do not have to go inside. Due to the issue where players can't return to Cyrodiil, when their faction is full. Sometimes it took me 5+ minutes to get back in. All the while the town where I am questing from can be captured.
-Breakfree isn't working correctly. It is often faster to wait out the stun/trap than it is to breakfree. Even when using breakfree it often takes even longer to get free than the original stun/trap itself would take.

So I really gave PvP a chance this year, but it still isn't for me. It can be fun, but to me it mostly isn't. Too stressfull/intense. My highest tick was 171k AP, which I am very proud of as a PvE player! As that is more than I could possibly make in years, even if I did PvP.

PS: Thanks to all the players who kept reviving me!
PPS: Hats off and thanks to all the enemy faction players who left different alliance questers alone!