moo_2021 wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

moo_2021 wrote: »

Hapexamendios wrote: »

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A PVE version of Cyrodiil should stop being pushed as well. We'll be getting a lot of that with Mayhem starting unfortunately.

I'd vote for players to enter cyro and ic with no-pvp flag. They can earn ap and stones at maybe half rate, and still able to farm gears. And some of them might eventually find pvp interesting.

We need to attract more players to pvp, not pushing them away.

Terrible suggestion.

Nobody will develop interest in doing PvP by not doing PvP while earning PvP-related rewards.

If ever PvE-instances of Cyro and IC were made, no PvP-related rewards (AP, Tel-Var, Transmutes, PvP-sets, skyshards behind enemy gates etc.) should be earnable by using them.

eh, PvPers don't do PvP for rewards. We do it because it's fun.


Since the bar is pretty high, how can we get newbies to even try it out? There are rewards for BG, but Cyro and IC are far more dangerous without random grouping.

You won't encourage anyone to try PvP by giving people a way to bypass it entirely while earning what they are after.

Want them to watch others doing PvP? Because that's your suggestion. Fine, let's try that. But without tied-in rewards, because PvP isn't done for the rewards anyways, but solely for fun.

Braffin wrote: »

moo_2021 wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

moo_2021 wrote: »

Hapexamendios wrote: »

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A PVE version of Cyrodiil should stop being pushed as well. We'll be getting a lot of that with Mayhem starting unfortunately.

I'd vote for players to enter cyro and ic with no-pvp flag. They can earn ap and stones at maybe half rate, and still able to farm gears. And some of them might eventually find pvp interesting.

We need to attract more players to pvp, not pushing them away.

Terrible suggestion.

Nobody will develop interest in doing PvP by not doing PvP while earning PvP-related rewards.

If ever PvE-instances of Cyro and IC were made, no PvP-related rewards (AP, Tel-Var, Transmutes, PvP-sets, skyshards behind enemy gates etc.) should be earnable by using them.

eh, PvPers don't do PvP for rewards. We do it because it's fun.


Since the bar is pretty high, how can we get newbies to even try it out? There are rewards for BG, but Cyro and IC are far more dangerous without random grouping.

You won't encourage anyone to try PvP by giving people a way to bypass it entirely while earning what they are after.

Want them to watch others doing PvP? Because that's your suggestion. Fine, let's try that. But without tied-in rewards, because PvP isn't done for the rewards anyways, but solely for fun.

Some of us game purely for fun PvP and PvE, and not --for the rewards.--
Reward based progression is a very outdated fallacy in MMO design.
Devs used to also think --the grind-- was a mandatory part of game design.
It's like they are all afraid that nobody will pay for their games without a big stick.
Meanwhile all players ever wanted was good, fun games designed well.

In another game I played, they used to have an event Naked Newbie RvR,
a training weapon, and your skills was all you got.
No population caps, jam packed every time because -->fun.

Sidenote: Funny that it was Matt Firor's prior old, outdated game, and pvp zones there didn't need population caps with 200 vs 200 vs 200 (and more++++) keep sieges daily, continuously..

I personally like the idea of a specific spot in zones that are surrounded by a bubble where 13 people enter. 1 person is a dragon and has moves they use like a normal player would. The objective is either wipe the 12 or they slay the dragon. In a bubble people enter willingly so no way to exploit it.

Or we can have arenas built around tamriel that have seats so people can sit down and watch and you can host 1 v 1, 2 v 2, 5 v 5 groups in battles against each other. Heck even take it one step further and instead of always pvp you make some tough pve runs using the same group set up. Like final fantasy 7 where you keep facing stronger and stronger challenges.

Doing stuff like this where you can give special items like mounts or clothing styles ECT that players can earn. Nothing game breaking but cool styles that maybe are only around for specific seasons. Idk just always make the game more interactive and try to find ways to make both pvp and pve players happy. I never understand why pve players come in hot when pvp players ask for things. The game has so many pve dlcs and I think something like this could just benefit both parties.

Braffin wrote: »

Fkey wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

moo_2021 wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

moo_2021 wrote: »

Hapexamendios wrote: »

^

A PVE version of Cyrodiil should stop being pushed as well. We'll be getting a lot of that with Mayhem starting unfortunately.

I'd vote for players to enter cyro and ic with no-pvp flag. They can earn ap and stones at maybe half rate, and still able to farm gears. And some of them might eventually find pvp interesting.

We need to attract more players to pvp, not pushing them away.

Terrible suggestion.

Nobody will develop interest in doing PvP by not doing PvP while earning PvP-related rewards.

If ever PvE-instances of Cyro and IC were made, no PvP-related rewards (AP, Tel-Var, Transmutes, PvP-sets, skyshards behind enemy gates etc.) should be earnable by using them.

eh, PvPers don't do PvP for rewards. We do it because it's fun.


Since the bar is pretty high, how can we get newbies to even try it out? There are rewards for BG, but Cyro and IC are far more dangerous without random grouping.

You won't encourage anyone to try PvP by giving people a way to bypass it entirely while earning what they are after.

Want them to watch others doing PvP? Because that's your suggestion. Fine, let's try that. But without tied-in rewards, because PvP isn't done for the rewards anyways, but solely for fun.

Some of us game purely for fun PvP and PvE, and not --for the rewards.--
Reward based progression is a very outdated fallacy in MMO design.
Devs used to also think --the grind-- was a mandatory part of game design.
It's like they are all afraid that nobody will pay for their games without a big stick.
Meanwhile all players ever wanted was good, fun games designed well.

In another game I played, they used to have an event Naked Newbie RvR,
a training weapon, and your skills was all you got.
No population caps, jam packed every time because -->fun.

Sidenote: Funny that it was Matt Firor's prior old, outdated game, and pvp zones there didn't need population caps with 200 vs 200 vs 200 (and more++++) keep sieges daily, continuously..

That's fine. I also don't play my video games for meaningless rewards, but for the fun of playing itself. So I completely agree with your statement.

I don't see tho, what exactly does this have to do with the idea of handing out said rewards for being in a PvP-zone without doing PvP. Because that's exactly the outdated reward system you are arguing against.

Rewards have nothing to do with a game being fun, as you say for yourself. That's why handing out rewards won't encourage people to try out possibly entertaining content they aren't interested in.

I'm not disagreeing.
I guess I wasn't clear enough.
I would PvP without any rewards, I also PvE and not for the rewards,
if it isn't fun I don't do it.
Also I really have no interest in PvPing against PvErs who are only there to get rewards while consuming server resources and Zos-side bandwidth.
To be totally frank, I no longer care if PvErs "try it out and like it accidentally" anymore,
the population caps have dropped to the point, I now PvP in other games,
and just roll over logins for daily crafts once or twice a week.
Maybe one day they will fix their self-inflicted issues and I will return.
Doubtful but maybe.