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Auction House
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SunfireKnight86✭✭✭✭Yes!Let me put it this way. If you can't put it out in marketing it's a pretty good indication that it's a poor selling point.
Imagine an ESO poster that said. "Super realistic! In order to know what anything is worth you'll have to check multiple third party websites and ask fifteen people in /zone chat! Half of them will call you a newb! The info will be outdated within 3 days!"
It's not a matter of, "I'm too lazy to check." As I've stated, I take you people for everything you're worth in trades.
EDIT: Not to mention it breaks immersion which is what this game claims its all about.Edited by SunfireKnight86 on May 8, 2014 3:22AM0 -
Allyah✭✭✭No!@SunfireKnight86
That's certainly nothing like what you said before...
And I don't need to trade. The game allows me to be completely self-sufficient. But keep trying to make everyone else look like a jack***. I'm sure that won't come around to bite you in the *** at any point in time.0 -
SunfireKnight86✭✭✭✭Yes!It's exactly what I said before. Making a player have to use third party tools to do something the devs could have easily done themselves is lazy and bad for the game. Add the AH to the myriad of other problems this game has and suddenly its in trouble.
But you're right, an MMO should make everyone self sufficient with it's poor trade system, interface, and group mechanics, yet make you pay $15 month. I'm sure it won't turn around and bite zeni in the butt at any point.
(And don't worry, I'm not trying. You're doing the legwork for me.)Edited by SunfireKnight86 on May 8, 2014 3:52AM0 -
Allyah✭✭✭No!@SunfireKnight86
Oh, dear. You lost sight of the point. Must suck to have tunnel vision.
Here, I'll put it back in the line of sight.
You wrote an assumptive statement. I pointed out that statement. You responded that you meant something else and assumed everyone was buying your crap (both figuratively and literally). I called you out on the assumption and explained why it was an assumption. You then made a comment that had nothing to do with what I said.
But, since you are so eager to share your point with anyone who gives you the time, duly noted.1 -
Dyvim✭✭✭Yes!@SunfireKnight86
That's certainly nothing like what you said before...
And I don't need to trade. The game allows me to be completely self-sufficient. But keep trying to make everyone else look like a jack***. I'm sure that won't come around to bite you in the *** at any point in time.
An MMO that allows you to be COMPLETELY self sufficient, with NO need to trade...uh yeah, that is epic fail, right there. If Zeni put that on the box, most experienced players, that know what MMOs are and what makes them different, would immediately start scratching their heads. If you don't need to trade, are completely self sufficient...why play an MMO, especially one that claims to be heavy into crafting...
MMOs thrive on interdependencies, with players needing each other...ARPGs on the other hand are single player experiences. You just helped make the pro AH case for us by pointing out this game has an identity crisis...they claim its an MMO, but they haven't delivered on many MMO features yet.Edited by Dyvim on May 8, 2014 5:34AMAngels are bright still, though the brightest fell... -S.1 -
methjester✭✭✭Yes!SunfireKnight86 wrote: »
Any game that forces you to use outside resources because their own are incomplete is in serious trouble.
A game is in trouble if someone has to alt tab and google search? Seems like a pretty big assumption.
Most modern video cards will support more than one display. You don't really need to alt-tab.
Again, off track guys. The playerbase is becoming more and more toxic by the day!! Huzzah!
How about we shelve the whole do we, or don't we need an auction house talks and push for something doable? Like... I dunno... A god damn search box in the guild store???
How about that. We all know they both can't, and won't, and especially can't ad an auction house anytime soon. So let's push for... a SEARCHBOX!!!
Surely we can all band together for one day of relative peace and say hey devs, get your head of of your bot hunting behind and ad... a functional searchbox.
Then we can hate on each other on Friday.
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Brennan✭✭✭No!methjester wrote: »SunfireKnight86 wrote: »
Any game that forces you to use outside resources because their own are incomplete is in serious trouble.
A game is in trouble if someone has to alt tab and google search? Seems like a pretty big assumption.
Most modern video cards will support more than one display. You don't really need to alt-tab.
Again, off track guys. The playerbase is becoming more and more toxic by the day!! Huzzah!
How about we shelve the whole do we, or don't we need an auction house talks and push for something doable? Like... I dunno... A god damn search box in the guild store???
How about that. We all know they both can't, and won't, and especially can't ad an auction house anytime soon. So let's push for... a SEARCHBOX!!!
Surely we can all band together for one day of relative peace and say hey devs, get your head of of your bot hunting behind and ad... a functional searchbox.
Then we can hate on each other on Friday.
I think a text based search function in the Guild Store interface is a great idea.
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Yes!Guild stores are a bad idea period. They artificially inflate prices for no good reason. Having unique items that can only be crafted is a better strategy.0
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Razzak✭✭✭✭✭Yes!Yes. We have to use a market of 500 potential customers while we play with millions of real potential customers.
Edit: I would prefer a market for all (no bidding) than auction house, but having an option to buy and sell from and to all other players is the most important thing I miss now.Edited by Razzak on May 8, 2014 12:40PM0 -
Pirwzy✭No!Personally, I'd like to see an economy system that tries to be like EVE Online, with buy and sell orders. Seems to make the economy more stable.1 -
Yes!We badly need an auction house (auction house) not just those poorly designed guild-bound sales functions.0 -
SunfireKnight86✭✭✭✭Yes!@SunfireKnight86
Oh, dear. You lost sight of the point. Must suck to have tunnel vision.
Here, I'll put it back in the line of sight.
You wrote an assumptive statement. I pointed out that statement. You responded that you meant something else and assumed everyone was buying your crap (both figuratively and literally). I called you out on the assumption and explained why it was an assumption. You then made a comment that had nothing to do with what I said.
But, since you are so eager to share your point with anyone who gives you the time, duly noted.
This whole thread is full of assumptive statements, and I didn't change it I clarified- Mostly because you're too thick to see a point.
But hey, whatever helps you attain that undeserved feeling of superiority. Maybe it's pointless elitism, maybe it's misrepresenting comments to soothe your burned ego. Who knows?0 -
SunfireKnight86✭✭✭✭Yes!I digress. Some of the other ideas here could work and keep the... erm.. 'Unique' idea that ESO was going for.
-Search function. (This is downright needed. Navigating a guildstore is terrible.)
-Much larger guilds.
-Item fill orders/Bounty board
-A /trade channel
-Kiosks and a way to find out what is in various kiosks from one spot even if you can't buy from them. (a la EvE)
That last one is just sort of a compromise on my part. In a game where we can teleport anywhere it's kind of silly to pretend to spread *** out.0 -
Brennan✭✭✭No!SunfireKnight86 wrote: »I digress. Some of the other ideas here could work and keep the... erm.. 'Unique' idea that ESO was going for.
-Search function. (This is downright needed. Navigating a guildstore is terrible.)
-Much larger guilds.
-Item fill orders/Bounty board
-A /trade channel
-Kiosks and a way to find out what is in various kiosks from one spot even if you can't buy from them. (a la EvE)
That last one is just sort of a compromise on my part. In a game where we can teleport anywhere it's kind of silly to pretend to spread *** out.
I think these are some good ideas, at least the ones I bolded. I think increasing guild size to 1000 wouldn't be gamebreaking. My concern is the slippery slope that follows. wherein we have to constantly keep increasing that number.
A /trade channel is a good idea but I don't see that being innately helpful. Spammers are going to spam - in every available chat there is.
On your last point, how were you able to view items for sale in the market in The Forge if you were docked in Metropolis, or Sinq Laison, or Domain?
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SunfireKnight86✭✭✭✭Yes!Once again, without it we are just doing pointless leg work. How is kiosk better than an AH if I can just go to 5,000 kiosks over a few hours and search for Dreugh Wax?
(Since they've confirmed Kiosks)0 -
Yusuf✭✭✭✭✭Yes!LadyInTheWater wrote: »We HAVE an auction house.
Go to the bank, click on the banker, go to [Guild Store]. You have up to 5 different ones to choose from.
Even dediacted trading guilds only sell crap imo. Im looking for rare items even motif-spammers dream of, i want the Consumate Sweetroll Recipe! Even selling is not fun anymore at this point, coz every item i get is way too high level for anyone to care about. Recently a motif i was selling in the store for a very fair price has EXPIRED and i joined a guild that was supposedly dedicated to cooking, yet it seemed like i was the best provisioner there and they sold crappy lvl 30 armor in their store. So, NO we need an auction house, there are too many crap-trading-guilds out there
Edit: Oh, and people in zonechat spamming WTS this and WTB that are annoying as hell, this would put an end to this problemEdited by Yusuf on May 8, 2014 2:45PM1 -
LadyLothi✭✭✭No!As far as I am concerned, playing the game has been entertaining, mostly fun (I could do with a bit less micromanaging my inventory) and something I very much enjoy and will continue to enjoy for a long time to come.
Not once during the time I have been playing I have missed an AH.
So while I cant answer for the anonymous "we" in the original question, I can safely say that I certainly don't need an AH and would actually be very sad to see it implemented, because it makes what used to be a game about interaction (even with NPCs) into a heartless global economy."It's easy, a child of five could do it. Unfortunately, we don't have a child of five, so I have to walk YOU through it." Abnur Tharn
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Brennan✭✭✭No!SunfireKnight86 wrote: »Once again, without it we are just doing pointless leg work. How is kiosk better than an AH if I can just go to 5,000 kiosks over a few hours and search for Dreugh Wax?
(Since they've confirmed Kiosks)
So the reason you want an AH is because you don't want to have to do a bunch of "pointless leg work" and search 5,000 kiosks for Dreugh Wax?
If it makes you feel any better I don't have a lot of Dreugh Wax either. Though my Clothing skill is 49, nearly 50. I guess I'll just keep refining cloth and leather and praying to the RNG gods, fickle as they are.
You know who is selling Dreugh Wax? All the yahoos that send me spam in my mail, selling it for a couple of bucks USD. Pretty sure that violates the TOS so I report them. I wonder where they would sell all that stuff if they were given access to a global AH. At least then we wouldn't have to worry about ninja guild invites to their "trading" guilds.
And pointless legwork? Buying stuff in EvE and then having to slowboat a hauler to pick it up and bring it back to your original station (auto-pilot at your own risk) or contract it through Red Frog or an independent contract would be weird in this game, wouldn't it?
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LadyLothi✭✭✭No!SunfireKnight86 wrote: »Once again, without it we are just doing pointless leg work. How is kiosk better than an AH if I can just go to 5,000 kiosks over a few hours and search for Dreugh Wax?
(Since they've confirmed Kiosks)
Question: isn't dreugh wax supposed to be rare? And if it is, isn't it something you have to look for very hard? Something you have to bother countless vendors for, something you have to ask around to get, or to spend countless hours perfecting your craft to make yourself?
Isn't it something that is - simply said - supposed to require at least some "leg work"?
And instead you absolutely require to have it only two mouseclicks away, given you have the necessary amount of gold, which - conveniently - probably is also only a few mouseclicks away.
Is this the way people enjoy playing games these days?
"It's easy, a child of five could do it. Unfortunately, we don't have a child of five, so I have to walk YOU through it." Abnur Tharn1 -
Evanis✭✭✭Yes!methjester wrote: »Surely we can all band together for one day of relative peace and say hey devs, get your head of of your bot hunting behind and ad... a functional searchbox.
Then we can hate on each other on Friday.
A functional searchbox for a dysfunctional system... That's all a searchbox would amount to... Those of us who want an AH need to be as vociferous about this as possible, including /feedback in-game. ZOS needs to know that half measures like search boxes or guild kiosks are woefully insufficient. More importantly, let your wallet do the talking by unsubbing and telling them exactly why you unsubbed. This issue is not going to simply vanish. Like it or not, the global AH has been and will continue to be an MMO staple and a hell of a lot of players want it. That's the reality.Edited by Evanis on May 8, 2014 3:30PM1 -
methjester✭✭✭Yes!methjester wrote: »Surely we can all band together for one day of relative peace and say hey devs, get your head of of your bot hunting behind and ad... a functional searchbox.
Then we can hate on each other on Friday.
A functional searchbox for a dysfunctional system... That's all a searchbox would amount to... Those of us who want an AH need to be as vociferous about this as possible, including /feedback in-game. ZOS needs to know that half measures like search boxes or guild kiosks are woefully insufficient. More importantly, let your wallet do the talking by unsubbing and telling them exactly why you unsubbed. This issue is not going to simply vanish. Like it or not, the global AH has been and will continue to be an MMO staple and a hell of a lot of players want it. That's the reality.
I don't think you'll find a bigger supporter of an auction house than I am. Please check my profile. I want an auction house, honest. but...
The pro and anti crown will NEVER NEVER NEVER agree in this thread. The devs are incapable of designing an auction house. Where does that leave us??
Instead of insulting each other there has to be some common ground to at least force the pig headed devs into doing something to improve the dreadful UI and the bad implementation of the guild store.
If this game is going to survive long term (I'm actually having my doubts) something more than "/zone buy my sword" or "go to the guild kiosk" is going to have to come into play.
I have zero faith in the playerbase and the developers at this moment, continue to bicker.0 -
Evanis✭✭✭Yes!methjester wrote: »I don't think you'll find a bigger supporter of an auction house than I am. Please check my profile. I want an auction house, honest. but...
The pro and anti crown will NEVER NEVER NEVER agree in this thread. The devs are incapable of designing an auction house. Where does that leave us??
I am with you, brother. I don't want there to be any misunderstanding. I know you have been a proponent of an AH and I thank you for standing up and making your opinions known. I just don't think we should be satisfied with inadequate measures like guild kiosks in the hope that us "complainers" will simply go away. We are paying a sub for this game, and as such, the players deserve better than this. ESO has no economy and not only will guild kiosks do nothing to alleviate the problem, but offering up kiosks to the highest bidder will encourage gold selling. Guess who will consistently be the top bidders? The guilds with all the gold, of course, a.k.a. guilds operated by gold sellers.
The devs are capable of implementing a proper AH. They rushed ESO out the door too fast and holding back the release to consoles for an additional six months proves it.Edited by Evanis on May 8, 2014 5:47PM0 -
Brennan✭✭✭No!*snip*
The devs are capable of implementing a proper AH. They rushed ESO out the door too fast and holding back the release to consoles for six additional months proves it.
They left the AH out to meet the 4-4-2014 deadline? Source please?
The exclusion of an Auction House wasn't an afterthought. It was intentional.
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methjester✭✭✭Yes!
Classes are still broken. Quests are still broken. Bots are rampant. Vet levels are a joke for a myriad of reasons. One look at the guild store interface and I could have done better with COBOL for dummies. Everyone says give them time, but man... soooo many problems too little fixes.
I honestly don't think they know how to run an MMO. I think they expected people to enjoy the Elder Scrolls experience and left the MMO part out of it. It is hurting them. They deserve the savage reviews.
I'd be happy with any improvement over zone hopping and shouting to buy and sell along with my 2500 anonymous guildmates. It's falling on deaf ears and their total lack of communication on all fronts is not encouraging.
But hey!! Consoles!!! Glad they are working on that instead of you know, anything tangible.Edited by methjester on May 8, 2014 6:08PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes!SunfireKnight86 wrote: »They'll put one in, or something just like one. It's just a question of when.
I think so too. It's just a matter of time. They are already starting to make changes to the Guild Stores so it's my belief they are just going about it in small steps.
I've played this game for a month now and it really is a brilliant game. The writing, graphics/sound, gameplay and core systems are way above the competition. Its terrible economic system is the only thing holding the game back.
This is particularly true in regards to attracting newer players - who are likely to find the trade spam and requirement to join these aggravating guild stores as an instant turn off.
I have also become convinced that the real reason the anti-auction house people do not want to see an Auction House implemented is because deep down they know the current system is inferior and most people would opt to use an Auction House instead - causing the current system they prefer to go extinct. Because if trade spam and guild stores really were such a wonderful social experience as they claim, they wouldn't be worried about the presence of an Auction House in the first place because nobody would want to use it over the current system.Edited by Jeremy on May 8, 2014 6:29PM3 -
SunfireKnight86✭✭✭✭Yes!SunfireKnight86 wrote: »Once again, without it we are just doing pointless leg work. How is kiosk better than an AH if I can just go to 5,000 kiosks over a few hours and search for Dreugh Wax?
(Since they've confirmed Kiosks)
So the reason you want an AH is because you don't want to have to do a bunch of "pointless leg work" and search 5,000 kiosks for Dreugh Wax?
If it makes you feel any better I don't have a lot of Dreugh Wax either. Though my Clothing skill is 49, nearly 50. I guess I'll just keep refining cloth and leather and praying to the RNG gods, fickle as they are.
You know who is selling Dreugh Wax? All the yahoos that send me spam in my mail, selling it for a couple of bucks USD. Pretty sure that violates the TOS so I report them. I wonder where they would sell all that stuff if they were given access to a global AH. At least then we wouldn't have to worry about ninja guild invites to their "trading" guilds.
And pointless legwork? Buying stuff in EvE and then having to slowboat a hauler to pick it up and bring it back to your original station (auto-pilot at your own risk) or contract it through Red Frog or an independent contract would be weird in this game, wouldn't it?
With Wayshrines we wouldn't even have to do that!
I don't understand what you're saying about the gold/mat sellers. They're already there, an AH wouldn't make it worse. (Or at least I highly doubt it. I don't see how it could)
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SunfireKnight86✭✭✭✭Yes!SunfireKnight86 wrote: »Once again, without it we are just doing pointless leg work. How is kiosk better than an AH if I can just go to 5,000 kiosks over a few hours and search for Dreugh Wax?
(Since they've confirmed Kiosks)
Question: isn't dreugh wax supposed to be rare? And if it is, isn't it something you have to look for very hard? Something you have to bother countless vendors for, something you have to ask around to get, or to spend countless hours perfecting your craft to make yourself?
Isn't it something that is - simply said - supposed to require at least some "leg work"?
And instead you absolutely require to have it only two mouseclicks away, given you have the necessary amount of gold, which - conveniently - probably is also only a few mouseclicks away.
Is this the way people enjoy playing games these days?
Your ignorant assumptions have no place in intelligent discussion.
It isn't 2 mouse clicks away, it's one spam of /zone "WTB Dreugh Wax". As I've stated multiple times- I'm the guy who buys everything and sells it to you at jacked up prices all through /zone because people have no idea what the worth of anything is. An AH would prevent me from doing that. (Or at least make it more fun/profitable for everyone) It would also cut down on the amount of bot sellers because they can be picked out by mods off an AH much easier than in chat.
I mean honestly, think before you type. Would you rather spend 2 hours every day wandering around the game looking through kiosks or playing? (Because despite what you seem to think, playing "Let's find the item in a shop Online- Elder Scrolls Edition" isn't fun.)
Is that the way people enjoy playing game where you're from? Tedious shopping online?Edited by SunfireKnight86 on May 8, 2014 6:55PM0 -
SunfireKnight86✭✭✭✭Yes!*snip*
The devs are capable of implementing a proper AH. They rushed ESO out the door too fast and holding back the release to consoles for six additional months proves it.
They left the AH out to meet the 4-4-2014 deadline? Source please?
The exclusion of an Auction House wasn't an afterthought. It was intentional.
Source please? I hear a lot of people saying this but I've never seen it anywhere.
EDIT: LOL. Found this. These people have no clue what they're doing.
http://www.destructoid.com/zenimax-confusingly-endorses-an-online-forum-to-support-trading-in-elder-scrolls-online-273206.phtmlEdited by SunfireKnight86 on May 8, 2014 6:57PM1 -
Brennan✭✭✭No!SunfireKnight86 wrote: »*snip*
The devs are capable of implementing a proper AH. They rushed ESO out the door too fast and holding back the release to consoles for six additional months proves it.
They left the AH out to meet the 4-4-2014 deadline? Source please?
The exclusion of an Auction House wasn't an afterthought. It was intentional.
Source please? I hear a lot of people saying this but I've never seen it anywhere.
EDIT: LOL. Found this. These people have no clue what they're doing.
http://www.destructoid.com/zenimax-confusingly-endorses-an-online-forum-to-support-trading-in-elder-scrolls-online-273206.phtml
I'm sorry. How does this support the claim that the game shipped without an auction house to meet a release deadline?
EvE Online's market is not global. It is regional. Additionally, the items you purchased from the market do not magically appear in your mail - you have to do "pointless leg work" to go get them.
Further, there are people that play Eve Online solely as traders undercutting each other repeatedly by 0.01 ISK. Is that what you're looking for here?SunfireKnight86 wrote:Let's find the item in a shop Online- Elder Scrolls Edition isn't fun
You want to play Auction House Online?0
