Lack of an Auction House isn't unique, it's annoying

Ady · May 2014

Chryos wrote: »

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

Having to go to every zone and spam something to sell if is soooo 1997. Games evolved into what they are for a reason.

Auction Houses have been shown to destroy the economy, by causing undercutting. Undercutting ruins the game for most of the regular players trying to sell stuff. So, I have to disagree. MMOs have gotten into a bad habit of catering to the "entitled" generation ruining a lot of things for a lot of players.

Additionally, Auction Houses are store fronts for the botters and gold farmers. They make it easy to sell virtual gold. You think there is a problem with botters now, wait till there is an auction house then, any of the games treasure really wont mean anything to anyone anymore.

Most of us figured this out during Everquest 1's life. When we went the way of the auction houses, the game world became more empty and everything went downhill from there. Characters need to interact with each other, it's part of keeping a game world "alive".

People are constantly asking for this game to get easier and easier to a point that this isnt going to be ESO anymore, it'll be just like any other MMO.

My last example is this: Wayshrines. We used to run around and explore, we had to, and this made the world bigger. Now we want to be warped instantly everywhere. Theres wayshrines practically right next to wayshrines. There goes seeing a gameworld that "feels" alive.

We could just cut the graphics out and make ESO a menu based text game that we just trade in because no one seems to actually want to play the game as the creators intended anyway.

Yeah and I am quite alright with that. Make this like most mmos. There is a reason they have evolved. I don't want some crap no auction house forced solo mission and a zillion grind to get to vr 10.

So yeah I want the game easy . I want quality of life stuff that makes doing things easy I want a lot more outfit customization options and stuff like that.

You see now we get to the crux of the matter. Who is the larger part of the population? People like you or me? We shall see I guess by what they do with the game in the next few months.

Swampster · May 2014

ChairGraveyard wrote: »

Wal-Mart does not exist in Tamriel.

Get over it.

So you can't buy an 8-trait crafted set for 5g on release day. Big freaking deal.

Yeah after following this thread.. you've convinced me you are indeed trolling.

methjester · May 2014

We can't have nice things because we live in fear of nameless faceless bots.

The terrorists have now won. Good job guys.

Orizuru · May 2014

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

NaciremaDiputs wrote: »

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

NaciremaDiputs wrote: »

ignoroticb14_ESO wrote: »

MollocH wrote: »

ignoroticb14_ESO wrote: »

It's funny, even without an AH, there are more bots in this game than any other mmo I've ever played.

You clearly didn't play any big mmo ....

Yeah...wrong. I've played most big name MMOs since SWG. I've never seen an mmo where there are multiple 10 character bots trains in a zone. Last night in the rift I personally watched something like 50 bots farm the moonless walk. No, I'm not exaggerating. It was impossible to count how many because they run in a pack, but there were at least 4 trains of 10+ bots, and that was only in the small area I was questing.

I can't see oxygen, but that doesn't mean it isn't there. It's all about perspective.

lol wut

1+1 = 2

I'm sorry if my logic and reasoning are going over your head.

Random unrelated things like oxygen and math just make you look like you can't follow a conversation. Try again.

Try reading the entire quoted conversation. It makes sense to anyone with at least an elementary reading comprehension skill.

Person A said he sees more bots than in other game. I pointed out that perspective matters. You were confused. I got snarky because I could tell you were sticking your nose in a conversation because one post confused you when you had obviously not read the conversation between me and someone who isn't even you. And then you got snarky back, and now I'm having to spell it out for you slowly.

I can put more space between the words if it still confuses you.

tordr86b16_ESO · May 2014

I hate the guild store, here's why:

The posting and "cut" is too high.

It doesn't reach enough people.

The search filters are not specific enough.

No search box to specifically type in what you are looking for.

You can't search for VR items, you only have one choice: 50.

30 slots is not enough.

The recent "fix" for searching multiple times causes more grief for players because you get no feedback from the guild store interface if you found no items with specific search criteria. This will make people click search a few more times in confusion, which then blocks you from searching again.

+1 if you agree with this.

Also, the reason why there are so many bots in this game is because boosters is the main currency to upgrade gear, and it is not bop, they can be traded freely. I'm sure they are making a killing in selling boosters for real world cash.

pay 2 win much?

7788b14_ESO · May 2014

So now you have guilds run by gold sellers selling stuff, what's the diff?

7788b14_ESO · May 2014

Dita wrote: »

Kililin wrote: »

I don't like AH's
They are not necessary for a working economy.
Star Wars Galaxies for an example.

thats not to defend guildstores in their current implementation.

You saying SWG didn't have a market in every city on every planet, even at star ports ?! Or traders forum ? What game have you been playing ?

SWG had the best AH system seen for awhile. You could sell from home shop, store front, guild shops (to the public!), global/regional auction house.

SunfireKnight86 · May 2014

ChairGraveyard wrote: »

Wal-Mart does not exist in Tamriel.

Get over it.

So you can't buy an 8-trait crafted set for 5g on release day. Big freaking deal.

You're right. There is no possible middle ground between *** guild stores and and people selling everything for 5 gold.

crush83 · May 2014

There are many reasons why SWGs system wouldn't work well here. Here are just a couple:

Housing in TESO will be instanced, not open world.
Items aren't nearly as diverse as they were in SWG. There is no real signature mark for a crafter. For that reason, no one will truly become loyal to a specific shop.

I can still agree that SWG had the best economy, crafting, and resource gathering of any game to date.

SunfireKnight86 · May 2014

It was unique, for sure. It's been so long since I played it I can't recall much about it honestly. EVE had a good system too. The problem with either system is that they are unique to the game. In a game where I can teleport anywhere in the world a regional market/regional guild store market is pointless. With the system they've created the best thing they could do would be a faction/PvP server based AH.

mcatchlovb16_ESO · May 2014

Hopefully they ad an AH in the future. Can't believe they launched without one.

SunfireKnight86 · May 2014

I miss open world housing.

Wonder if we'll ever see that again in an MMO.

crush83 · May 2014

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

I miss open world housing. Wonder if we'll ever see that again in an MMO.

The problem is most MMOs are doing away with the shard concept introduced in Ultima Online. Now, most MMOs are gearing towards the mega-server concept. First mega-server I know of was EVE, but I'm not sure that it's the first.

With mega-servers, you have a lot more players playing in the same world. The only way to allow all of them to have housing, without polluting the game world to the point of which it is not playable anymore, is to do instanced housing in pre-designated areas.

Either that, or increase the worlds size by a factor of, I don't know, 20x?

PS
Here's a little throw back to UO for those who don't know where the term shard originated. It originated in Ultima Online. In the intro movie of Ultima Online, we learn that Mondain the wizard shattered the Gem of Immortality. When it shattered, it splintered into dozens of individual shards, each containing an instance of Sosaria (the world of Ultima Online).

methjester · May 2014

Somehow I keep running into the same players over and over. I don't know if I'm just lucky, or if there aren't as many people playing as we think there are.

Ojustaboo · May 2014

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

I'm in a few. That isn't solving the problem. Trading Guilds are just small scale auction houses. Why make this decision? It's more convenient in every sense of the word to have a global or even regional AH. I just don't understand the logic behind the decision. Did someone see it in literally every other MMO and say, "That looks like a terrible idea."

The thing is, with the guild stores, it keeps the economy under control.

To put it another way, it isn't one huge shop where effectively they dictate the price, it's a load of independent shops and each shop has to stay competitive else people will sign up to another one.

SunfireKnight86 · May 2014

It's actually easier to manipulate a small market than a large one. I can hunt around for 5 Guilds that sell things super low, buy up all the supplies, and turn around and sell them in /zone for twice as much.

In a large AH, where everyone can see all prices, I can't do that as easily.

MajikMyst · May 2014

Chanz wrote: »

AH would bring in bots to destroy the economy? The economy is already dead because of them.

So basically you are saying is that the economy is already dead due to bots, but adding an AH would kill the economy with bots??

Ummm?? How can bots kill something twice??

An AH would be more user friendly for everyone and not discriminate against those that choose not to affiliate with guilds.. The current model is useless.. It forces people to either be in or associate with guilds, when they may not want to.. Over all, people would be able to sell to more people with an AH and buyers would have more people competing for their business.. All and all, good for all players involved.. This current system?? I feel like I have no choices.. Perhaps if a guild store also showed the prices of competing stores, like an AH would..

Also an AH in your own words isn't going to make things worse, so your statement is somewhat moot..

MajikMyst · May 2014

Chryos wrote: »

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

Having to go to every zone and spam something to sell if is soooo 1997. Games evolved into what they are for a reason.

Auction Houses have been shown to destroy the economy, by causing undercutting. Undercutting ruins the game for most of the regular players trying to sell stuff. So, I have to disagree. MMOs have gotten into a bad habit of catering to the "entitled" generation ruining a lot of things for a lot of players.

Additionally, Auction Houses are store fronts for the botters and gold farmers. They make it easy to sell virtual gold. You think there is a problem with botters now, wait till there is an auction house then, any of the games treasure really wont mean anything to anyone anymore.

I find posts like these particularly odd.. Have you ever heard of a free market economy?? Undercutting does nothing to the economy.. Except give the buyer a better price.. Something I am sure you appreciate when you are the buyer..

Undercutting ruins the economy?? Ruins the game?? Sorry.. You are just plain wrong.. A free market economy is the best thing that could happen to any MMO.. PERIOD!!!!

What ruins games is what we have now.. This guild store business.. All that does is limit who can sell what and who can buy what.. Any time you decrease the over all number of sellers and buyers, you limit and weaken the market..

The reason why this game has the issues with botters is they allowed addons to be used.. Every MMO that I have ever played that allows addons has a bot problem.. Even WOW to this day, is still fighting bots.. It will never end.. So blaming bots on the AH or a store front is actually kind of stupid.. Bots will be an issue as long as we the player have access to the game code so we can in any way to manipulate game play or our game play experience..

I can think of a couple of games that do not allow addons and do not have a bot problem.. Not to mention they do have an AH..

MajikMyst · May 2014

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

It's actually easier to manipulate a small market than a large one. I can hunt around for 5 Guilds that sell things super low, buy up all the supplies, and turn around and sell them in /zone for twice as much.

In a large AH, where everyone can see all prices, I can't do that as easily.

Right but see here is the problem.. This isn't about what is better for YOU.. This is about what is best for all..

A large free open market place is better for all.. You will have more customers to sell too, and more people to buy from.. That is simply good for everyone..

We need an AH.. Something that is server wide.. We have a mega server, we don't need micro stores..

SunfireKnight86 · May 2014

MajikMyst wrote: »

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

It's actually easier to manipulate a small market than a large one. I can hunt around for 5 Guilds that sell things super low, buy up all the supplies, and turn around and sell them in /zone for twice as much.

In a large AH, where everyone can see all prices, I can't do that as easily.

Right but see here is the problem.. This isn't about what is better for YOU.. This is about what is best for all..

A large free open market place is better for all.. You will have more customers to sell too, and more people to buy from.. That is simply good for everyone..

We need an AH.. Something that is server wide.. We have a mega server, we don't need micro stores..

You didn't read this thread at all did you?

Shta · May 2014

I like it the way it is, i think it protects the economy against all abuse a mmo encounters by fractioning it.

I m in 3 trade guilds from 250 to 500 people and i have no problem to buy/sell.

Alphashado · May 2014

GW2 has the worst economy I have ever seen in an MMO. Know why? Because it is a mega server auction house. Just like ESO would have to be. There are millions of people using the same auction house. Everything is crap and worthless. Everyone has everything. No thanks. Not here.

Sev · May 2014

Alphashado wrote: »

GW2 has the worst economy I have ever seen in an MMO. Know why? Because it is a mega server auction house. Just like ESO would have to be. There are millions of people using the same auction house. Everything is crap and worthless. Everyone has everything. No thanks. Not here.

You heard it here, people. There's no possible way Zenimax could divide the playerbase between multiple auction houses. Just can't be done. It's either 500-cap guild stores or one giant AH, nothing in between.

/Sigh. I say that in sarcasm, but for a company that can't even comprehend that guild stores need a search box, who knows?

methjester · May 2014

Sev wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

GW2 has the worst economy I have ever seen in an MMO. Know why? Because it is a mega server auction house. Just like ESO would have to be. There are millions of people using the same auction house. Everything is crap and worthless. Everyone has everything. No thanks. Not here.

You heard it here, people. There's no possible way Zenimax could divide the playerbase between multiple auction houses. Just can't be done. It's either 500-cap guild stores or one giant AH, nothing in between.

/Sigh. I say that in sarcasm, but for a company that can't even comprehend that guild stores need a search box, who knows?

Honestly, a searchbox would be a welcome improvement. I know an auction house in this game is nothing more than a pipedream. Mostly because nothing they have created, fixed, or plan lead me to believe they are capable of anything worthwhile... like a searchbox.

Redsun · May 2014

everytime i use the guild store. i feel like banging my head.

The 500 limit is GARBAGE. Take into account offline players, ppl who quit and player levels. there is barely anyone left to sell your wares to.

Clicking back and forth the 5 stores is a huge chore.

Zenimax can gives us 10 guild stores and it wont solve the problem. Only make it worse. 10 stores to click.

Stop dumbing down user interfaces and systems to 20 years ago for the sake of console version. You want the cake and eat it too? Nope, you are pissing off the major mmo market which is PC for the unknown console market.

SunfireKnight86 · May 2014

You hit the nail on the head. I'm guessing most bad decisions they've made were made as a result of the consoles and the rushing to get the game out. It's really sad to see. This game could have been soooo much better.

SunfireKnight86 · May 2014

You hit the nail on the head. I'm guessing most bad decisions they've made were made as a result of the consoles and the rushing to get the game out. It's really sad to see. This game could have been soooo much better.

crush83 · May 2014

Redsun wrote: »

everytime i use the guild store. i feel like banging my head.

The 500 limit is GARBAGE. Take into account offline players, ppl who quit and player levels. there is barely anyone left to sell your wares to.

Clicking back and forth the 5 stores is a huge chore.

Zenimax can gives us 10 guild stores and it wont solve the problem. Only make it worse. 10 stores to click.

Stop dumbing down user interfaces and systems to 20 years ago for the sake of console version. You want the cake and eat it too? Nope, you are pissing off the major mmo market which is PC for the unknown console market.

I think that having to sell to players within your guild only is the real killer. The idea of guild stores is not so bad. It splits up the market.

However, the stores need more shoppers. I was in 3 different trade guilds, they had around 250ish members before I quit. It would take me days to sell blue items at only a few gold above vendor prices. The sad thing is I could destruct them and sell the materials for more a lot of times.

SunfireKnight86 · May 2014

Mats are always more lucrative then gear in a game where everyone can max crafting by the time they hit VR10 without spending any effort.

Vhalkyrie · May 2014

There isn't a lack of AH. I sell things in AH every single day. There are plenty of trade guilds to join.