LadyChaos wrote: »

e.gamemarkb14_ESO wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

You're completely wrong Vlas.

The skill does not give any immunity to CC or damage, it is very expensive, gives 50% reduced magicka regen after casting, does very little damage, and has a very short duration stun.

People who have trouble with Bolt Escape have a player skill issue.

Yet I see tons of videos and seen first hand from my guild mates just how often you can actually use bolt escape, then stop for a few seconds using an ability that converts your Stamina into Magicka, then rinse / repeat.

Example: Sorcs can very easily use bolt escape (at lvl 50) at a min of 7-8 times before running completely out of magicka. What most are doing, is cast a few spells, bolt through enemy(ies) a few times (or more if they know they can kill someone with the morphed version), then stamina to magicka (3 seconds) back to near or full magicka.

Most decent Sorcs are doing this along with the morphed version of bolt escape that lets them damage players moderately + stuns them, and all they do is zip back and forth doing damage, then bolt away if they feel it's too tough, stop at a distance, 3 second burn of stamina to regen, and off they go again.

Yup, totally not abused in any way! /sarcasm off

I know a healer who can keep a DK in a fight with the same amount of spamming killing 5-10x as many players... sucks we used our power to just annoy you rather than kill you...

Kill the healer instead of the DK.

LadyChaos wrote: »

e.gamemarkb14_ESO wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

You're completely wrong Vlas.

The skill does not give any immunity to CC or damage, it is very expensive, gives 50% reduced magicka regen after casting, does very little damage, and has a very short duration stun.

People who have trouble with Bolt Escape have a player skill issue.

Yet I see tons of videos and seen first hand from my guild mates just how often you can actually use bolt escape, then stop for a few seconds using an ability that converts your Stamina into Magicka, then rinse / repeat.

Example: Sorcs can very easily use bolt escape (at lvl 50) at a min of 7-8 times before running completely out of magicka. What most are doing, is cast a few spells, bolt through enemy(ies) a few times (or more if they know they can kill someone with the morphed version), then stamina to magicka (3 seconds) back to near or full magicka.

Most decent Sorcs are doing this along with the morphed version of bolt escape that lets them damage players moderately + stuns them, and all they do is zip back and forth doing damage, then bolt away if they feel it's too tough, stop at a distance, 3 second burn of stamina to regen, and off they go again.

Yup, totally not abused in any way! /sarcasm off

I know a healer who can keep a DK in a fight with the same amount of spamming killing 5-10x as many players... sucks we used our power to just annoy you rather than kill you...

I don't know who you guys are fighting, but healers might as well have a "hit me now" sign over their heads. If I see a healer, I'll charge them regardless of the situation. Putting a little pressure on them often makes them fall apart. That said, if the healer / DK combo gets threatened, they'll still end up dead, and neither of them will vanish to the other side of the field during the next 10 seconds. They can't try and escape whenever they please.

LadyChaos wrote: »

AND all those thread how 1 DK runs amok if only he has a healer.. like the other 24+ idiots in the zerg didn't think of that =p

not a nerf DK comment just a comparison that healers have just as much spam power because of light armor as anyone but it's the one who runs away you fear not the one feeding the players who actually kill you...

In a raid of 6-12 groups I can spam the single heal (1 spell) and never duplicate the person healed ever, nor run out of power... I am incapable of running out of power healing, add in the other heals I decide to slot when I'm not about killing people (I prefer kill you....). But it's when I run away with a spell that costs 2x as much you say is OP... hilarious.

Which heal are you spamming? Healing Springs? It sure as hell isn't Rushed Ceremony. Also you're a Sorcerer they have the best magicka management in the game, so of course you aren't going to run out of it.

LadyChaos wrote: »

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

LadyChaos wrote: »

AND all those thread how 1 DK runs amok if only he has a healer.. like the other 24+ idiots in the zerg didn't think of that =p

not a nerf DK comment just a comparison that healers have just as much spam power because of light armor as anyone but it's the one who runs away you fear not the one feeding the players who actually kill you...

In a raid of 6-12 groups I can spam the single heal (1 spell) and never duplicate the person healed ever, nor run out of power... I am incapable of running out of power healing, add in the other heals I decide to slot when I'm not about killing people (I prefer kill you....). But it's when I run away with a spell that costs 2x as much you say is OP... hilarious.

Which heal are you spamming? Healing Springs? It sure as hell isn't Rushed Ceremony. Also you're a Sorcerer they have the best magicka management in the game, so of course you aren't going to run out of it.

Light armor has best magicka in game silly goose... being a sorcerer makes my heals no more powerful.

waiting...

So, you're waiting for what now? Since you didn't say what heal you're casting, and if you're a Sorcerer using Restoration staff heals then Surge does increase the power of your heals.

LadyChaos wrote: »

So, you're waiting for what now? Since you didn't say what heal you're casting, and if you're a Sorcerer using Restoration staff heals then Surge does increase the power of your heals.

I don't use surge,
still waiting[/quote]

Whether you use it or not doesn't change the fact that Sorcerers can make Restoration staff heals stronger with Surge.

You have yet to say what heal you're spamming. I have no idea what you're still waiting for, since you haven't actually asked a question, you've made statements. Is English your second language?

LadyChaos wrote: »

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

LadyChaos wrote: »

e.gamemarkb14_ESO wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

You're completely wrong Vlas.

The skill does not give any immunity to CC or damage, it is very expensive, gives 50% reduced magicka regen after casting, does very little damage, and has a very short duration stun.

People who have trouble with Bolt Escape have a player skill issue.

Yet I see tons of videos and seen first hand from my guild mates just how often you can actually use bolt escape, then stop for a few seconds using an ability that converts your Stamina into Magicka, then rinse / repeat.

Example: Sorcs can very easily use bolt escape (at lvl 50) at a min of 7-8 times before running completely out of magicka. What most are doing, is cast a few spells, bolt through enemy(ies) a few times (or more if they know they can kill someone with the morphed version), then stamina to magicka (3 seconds) back to near or full magicka.

Most decent Sorcs are doing this along with the morphed version of bolt escape that lets them damage players moderately + stuns them, and all they do is zip back and forth doing damage, then bolt away if they feel it's too tough, stop at a distance, 3 second burn of stamina to regen, and off they go again.

Yup, totally not abused in any way! /sarcasm off

I know a healer who can keep a DK in a fight with the same amount of spamming killing 5-10x as many players... sucks we used our power to just annoy you rather than kill you...

Kill the healer instead of the DK.

AND all those thread how 1 DK runs amok if only he has a healer.. like the other 24+ idiots in the zerg didn't think of that =p

not a nerf DK comment just a comparison that healers have just as much spam power because of light armor as anyone but it's the one who runs away you fear not the one feeding the players who actually kill you...

In a raid of 6-12 groups I can spam the single heal (1 spell) and never duplicate the person healed ever, nor run out of power... I am incapable of running out of power healing, add in the other heals I decide to slot when I'm not about killing people (I prefer kill you....). But it's when I run away with a spell that costs 2x as much you say is OP... hilarious.

Uhhh... You can still hit the healer you know, it's like TF2, stop shooting at the damn heavy and murder his medic first. It's not about being able to spam a single ability, it's about being able to escape anything with little effort. The difference between a healer spamming heals and a sorc spamming BE is that you can just kill the damn healer, but you can't kill the damn sorcerer no where near as easily.
Stop changing the subject with this weird logic.

RaZaddha wrote: »

LadyChaos wrote: »

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

LadyChaos wrote: »

e.gamemarkb14_ESO wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

You're completely wrong Vlas.

The skill does not give any immunity to CC or damage, it is very expensive, gives 50% reduced magicka regen after casting, does very little damage, and has a very short duration stun.

People who have trouble with Bolt Escape have a player skill issue.

Yet I see tons of videos and seen first hand from my guild mates just how often you can actually use bolt escape, then stop for a few seconds using an ability that converts your Stamina into Magicka, then rinse / repeat.

Example: Sorcs can very easily use bolt escape (at lvl 50) at a min of 7-8 times before running completely out of magicka. What most are doing, is cast a few spells, bolt through enemy(ies) a few times (or more if they know they can kill someone with the morphed version), then stamina to magicka (3 seconds) back to near or full magicka.

Most decent Sorcs are doing this along with the morphed version of bolt escape that lets them damage players moderately + stuns them, and all they do is zip back and forth doing damage, then bolt away if they feel it's too tough, stop at a distance, 3 second burn of stamina to regen, and off they go again.

Yup, totally not abused in any way! /sarcasm off

I know a healer who can keep a DK in a fight with the same amount of spamming killing 5-10x as many players... sucks we used our power to just annoy you rather than kill you...

Kill the healer instead of the DK.

AND all those thread how 1 DK runs amok if only he has a healer.. like the other 24+ idiots in the zerg didn't think of that =p

not a nerf DK comment just a comparison that healers have just as much spam power because of light armor as anyone but it's the one who runs away you fear not the one feeding the players who actually kill you...

In a raid of 6-12 groups I can spam the single heal (1 spell) and never duplicate the person healed ever, nor run out of power... I am incapable of running out of power healing, add in the other heals I decide to slot when I'm not about killing people (I prefer kill you....). But it's when I run away with a spell that costs 2x as much you say is OP... hilarious.

Uhhh... You can still hit the healer you know, it's like TF2, stop shooting at the damn heavy and murder his medic first. It's not about being able to spam a single ability, it's about being able to escape anything with little effort. The difference between a healer spamming heals and a sorc spamming BE is that you can just kill the damn healer, but you can't kill the damn sorcerer no where near as easily.
Stop changing the subject with this weird logic.

Thad be great if anti-escape argument wasnt about how much bolt costs.. maybe.. but not really but I wanna give you a bone.

I can keep an ass alive who kills you even better than I can (and I insta-kill low health) indefinably, and you can't kill me faster than he can kill you ... the nature of heal/dps relationship.

BUT because I can run away from you and leave his ass to die when I'm feelin selfish or that maybe he didn't put out enough in the group, or just made fun of me IDK.. I get fickle that way (I do)... that's why I need to be nerfed... not because I can keep the biggest AoE alive for a break in without sneezing at my power or keep an entire siege group alive without sweating... but because I might insult your manhood and run away... leaving them to die... 24+ people you got to kill because you spooked me... I see your math.

I do what I can do with power because I wear a dress and so proud of it lift my 7 piece skirt to you every time you rage ant my bright shining balls of escape... unless your decent then I likely die and just get up and come back with more friends...

LadyChaos wrote: »

RaZaddha wrote: »

LadyChaos wrote: »

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

LadyChaos wrote: »

e.gamemarkb14_ESO wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

You're completely wrong Vlas.

The skill does not give any immunity to CC or damage, it is very expensive, gives 50% reduced magicka regen after casting, does very little damage, and has a very short duration stun.

People who have trouble with Bolt Escape have a player skill issue.

Yet I see tons of videos and seen first hand from my guild mates just how often you can actually use bolt escape, then stop for a few seconds using an ability that converts your Stamina into Magicka, then rinse / repeat.

Example: Sorcs can very easily use bolt escape (at lvl 50) at a min of 7-8 times before running completely out of magicka. What most are doing, is cast a few spells, bolt through enemy(ies) a few times (or more if they know they can kill someone with the morphed version), then stamina to magicka (3 seconds) back to near or full magicka.

Most decent Sorcs are doing this along with the morphed version of bolt escape that lets them damage players moderately + stuns them, and all they do is zip back and forth doing damage, then bolt away if they feel it's too tough, stop at a distance, 3 second burn of stamina to regen, and off they go again.

Yup, totally not abused in any way! /sarcasm off

I know a healer who can keep a DK in a fight with the same amount of spamming killing 5-10x as many players... sucks we used our power to just annoy you rather than kill you...

Kill the healer instead of the DK.

AND all those thread how 1 DK runs amok if only he has a healer.. like the other 24+ idiots in the zerg didn't think of that =p

not a nerf DK comment just a comparison that healers have just as much spam power because of light armor as anyone but it's the one who runs away you fear not the one feeding the players who actually kill you...

In a raid of 6-12 groups I can spam the single heal (1 spell) and never duplicate the person healed ever, nor run out of power... I am incapable of running out of power healing, add in the other heals I decide to slot when I'm not about killing people (I prefer kill you....). But it's when I run away with a spell that costs 2x as much you say is OP... hilarious.

Uhhh... You can still hit the healer you know, it's like TF2, stop shooting at the damn heavy and murder his medic first. It's not about being able to spam a single ability, it's about being able to escape anything with little effort. The difference between a healer spamming heals and a sorc spamming BE is that you can just kill the damn healer, but you can't kill the damn sorcerer no where near as easily.
Stop changing the subject with this weird logic.

Thad be great if anti-escape argument wasnt about how much bolt costs.. maybe.. but not really but I wanna give you a bone.

I can keep an ass alive who kills you even better than I can (and I insta-kill low health) indefinably, and you can't kill me faster than he can kill you ... the nature of heal/dps relationship.

BUT because I can run away from you and leave his ass to die when I'm feelin selfish or that maybe he didn't put out enough in the group, or just made fun of me IDK.. I get fickle that way (I do)... that's why I need to be nerfed... not because I can keep the biggest AoE alive for a break in without sneezing at my power or keep an entire siege group alive without sweating... but because I might insult your manhood and run away... leaving them to die... 24+ people you got to kill because you spooked me... I see your math.

I do what I can do with power because I wear a dress and so proud of it lift my 7 piece skirt to you every time you rage ant my bright shining balls of escape... unless your decent then I likely die and just get up and come back with more friends...

Dude... You are actually starting to ramble and your post makes little sense.

"Thad be great if anti-escape argument wasnt about how much bolt costs.. maybe.. but not really but I wanna give you a bone."
The argument is that escaping with BE is too easy, the cost is just one of the solutions, you can change and balance BE without ever touching the cost.

"I can keep an ass alive who kills you even better than I can (and I insta-kill low health) indefinably, and you can't kill me faster than he can kill you ... the nature of heal/dps relationship."
Why is this relevant to the discussion? This is just basic combat, we are talking about escaping mechanisms, not how team combat works and how it's balanced or not.

"BUT because I can run away from you and leave his ass to die when I'm feelin selfish or that maybe he didn't put out enough in the group, or just made fun of me IDK.. I get fickle that way (I do)... that's why I need to be nerfed... not because I can keep the biggest AoE alive for a break in without sneezing at my power or keep an entire siege group alive without sweating... but because I might insult your manhood and run away... leaving them to die... 24+ people you got to kill because you spooked me... I see your math."
It's too easy to escape, thats why you need to be nerfed, nothing else you say is relevant to the discussion, again, we are talking about escaping mechanisms, not how team combat works and how it's balanced or not.

Stop, re-think what you said and then come back, seriously man you are talking and comparing things unrelated to the discussion.

RaZaddha wrote: »

LadyChaos wrote: »

RaZaddha wrote: »

LadyChaos wrote: »

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

LadyChaos wrote: »

e.gamemarkb14_ESO wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

You're completely wrong Vlas.

The skill does not give any immunity to CC or damage, it is very expensive, gives 50% reduced magicka regen after casting, does very little damage, and has a very short duration stun.

People who have trouble with Bolt Escape have a player skill issue.

Yet I see tons of videos and seen first hand from my guild mates just how often you can actually use bolt escape, then stop for a few seconds using an ability that converts your Stamina into Magicka, then rinse / repeat.

Example: Sorcs can very easily use bolt escape (at lvl 50) at a min of 7-8 times before running completely out of magicka. What most are doing, is cast a few spells, bolt through enemy(ies) a few times (or more if they know they can kill someone with the morphed version), then stamina to magicka (3 seconds) back to near or full magicka.

Most decent Sorcs are doing this along with the morphed version of bolt escape that lets them damage players moderately + stuns them, and all they do is zip back and forth doing damage, then bolt away if they feel it's too tough, stop at a distance, 3 second burn of stamina to regen, and off they go again.

Yup, totally not abused in any way! /sarcasm off

I know a healer who can keep a DK in a fight with the same amount of spamming killing 5-10x as many players... sucks we used our power to just annoy you rather than kill you...

Kill the healer instead of the DK.

AND all those thread how 1 DK runs amok if only he has a healer.. like the other 24+ idiots in the zerg didn't think of that =p

not a nerf DK comment just a comparison that healers have just as much spam power because of light armor as anyone but it's the one who runs away you fear not the one feeding the players who actually kill you...

In a raid of 6-12 groups I can spam the single heal (1 spell) and never duplicate the person healed ever, nor run out of power... I am incapable of running out of power healing, add in the other heals I decide to slot when I'm not about killing people (I prefer kill you....). But it's when I run away with a spell that costs 2x as much you say is OP... hilarious.

Uhhh... You can still hit the healer you know, it's like TF2, stop shooting at the damn heavy and murder his medic first. It's not about being able to spam a single ability, it's about being able to escape anything with little effort. The difference between a healer spamming heals and a sorc spamming BE is that you can just kill the damn healer, but you can't kill the damn sorcerer no where near as easily.
Stop changing the subject with this weird logic.

Thad be great if anti-escape argument wasnt about how much bolt costs.. maybe.. but not really but I wanna give you a bone.

I can keep an ass alive who kills you even better than I can (and I insta-kill low health) indefinably, and you can't kill me faster than he can kill you ... the nature of heal/dps relationship.

BUT because I can run away from you and leave his ass to die when I'm feelin selfish or that maybe he didn't put out enough in the group, or just made fun of me IDK.. I get fickle that way (I do)... that's why I need to be nerfed... not because I can keep the biggest AoE alive for a break in without sneezing at my power or keep an entire siege group alive without sweating... but because I might insult your manhood and run away... leaving them to die... 24+ people you got to kill because you spooked me... I see your math.

I do what I can do with power because I wear a dress and so proud of it lift my 7 piece skirt to you every time you rage ant my bright shining balls of escape... unless your decent then I likely die and just get up and come back with more friends...

Dude... You are actually starting to ramble and your post makes little sense.

"Thad be great if anti-escape argument wasnt about how much bolt costs.. maybe.. but not really but I wanna give you a bone."
The argument is that escaping with BE is too easy, the cost is just one of the solutions, you can change and balance BE without ever touching the cost.

"I can keep an ass alive who kills you even better than I can (and I insta-kill low health) indefinably, and you can't kill me faster than he can kill you ... the nature of heal/dps relationship."
Why is this relevant to the discussion? This is just basic combat, we are talking about escaping mechanisms, not how team combat works and how it's balanced or not.

"BUT because I can run away from you and leave his ass to die when I'm feelin selfish or that maybe he didn't put out enough in the group, or just made fun of me IDK.. I get fickle that way (I do)... that's why I need to be nerfed... not because I can keep the biggest AoE alive for a break in without sneezing at my power or keep an entire siege group alive without sweating... but because I might insult your manhood and run away... leaving them to die... 24+ people you got to kill because you spooked me... I see your math."
It's too easy to escape, thats why you need to be nerfed, nothing else you say is relevant to the discussion, again, we are talking about escaping mechanisms, not how team combat works and how it's balanced or not.

Stop, re-think what you said and then come back, seriously man you are talking and comparing things unrelated to the discussion.

all BE arguments are:

1. spells costs too little and needs to be increased
2. Spell is too spamable needs CD or cost increase
3. BE = never die

Show you how every class/role has spammable, less expensive abilities that actually lead to your death, as opposed to not killing you and fleeing, so you then go for argument #3. Tell ya how much we die, you just say it's a lie. Every counter discussion is about personally discrediting anyone who tries to explain or show you the flaws in 1-3 above.

This is the most wasted discussion thread parade in the game, because players that don't use an ability at all completely ignore math, player help, and videos because they swear their knowledge of an ability is more than the people actually using it.

Every nerf thread should be required to contain a video showing 1 fight OP won through skillfull play and one example where the OP got owned by the apparently overpowered skill, despite playing flawless.

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

LadyChaos wrote: »

all BE arguments are:

1. spells costs too little and needs to be increased
2. Spell is too spamable needs CD or cost increase
3. BE = never die

Show you how every class/role has spammable, less expensive abilities that actually lead to your death, as opposed to not killing you and fleeing, so you then go for argument #3. Tell ya how much we die, you just say it's a lie. Every counter discussion is about personally discrediting anyone who tries to explain or show you the flaws in 1-3 above.

This is the most wasted discussion thread parade in the game, because players that don't use an ability at all completely ignore math, player help, and videos because they swear their knowledge of an ability is more than the people actually using it.

This discussion has been a waste, since Sorcerers ignore that Bolt Escape has no hard counters and instead argue nonsense like being able to spam Regeneration as being at all the same as being able to engage and disengage at will. Every time a Sorcerer posts counters it just shows how overpowered Bolt Escape really is, when the other classes literally have to build EVERYTHING about their character around mobility to not even be able to get close to the same results as slotting one ability on your bar.

Not only have YOU personally been handfed counters for every class and shown video evidence on a BE user being chain stunned to their death... and you have openly admitted you refuse to change YOUR playstyle to use any of the counters, you are intentionally antagonistic for the sake of keeping the topic on the flame charts, rather than help bring either constructive feedback or understanding to the discussion.

You don't want to adapt to the game mechanics you want the game to adapt to you, and you use fanning flames to try and do it IMO.

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

The fact remains there is no hard counter to Bolt Escape and Sorcerers want to keep it that way so they have an advantage.

Show me 1 person in the world who isn't fighting for some sort of Advantage and I'll eat my hat!

People crying about nerf. 20 times in a row?. See what i mean if you can actually come up with a coherent reason then maybe but right now this is rubbish.

Escape bolt is out of control. and now they even BUFFED it by removing magicka regen debuff (LOL)

Half my guild has rerolled sorcerors the last 2 weeks.

It is the most OP ability in any of the 5 MMO's i have played. It can be abused to the max, and making you invincible and untouchable while stunning and being able to kill people by blinking around them.

It's a joke, and already people in my guild are so fed up that they cancelled sub because to be competitive = you have to play sorceror in pvp.

Now the new trend seems to be putting 24 sorcerors together in raids and just CRUSHING everything, and being untouchable with escape bolt. LOL this pvp is so broken right now.