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Gardener of Seasons is a wasted oppertunity.

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Hey everyone, i decided I'd make this post in order to raise the issue of the gardener of seasons set. now, it's got a really neat special effect for having it equiped which is cool, however it's frankly not very good.

What surprised me was just how little people seemed to care about this set's creation.

It was only until recently that i saw people start to talk about the set and what they think about it. generally, the consensus of the set is that it's not particularly good. we don't really know what it's designed for, however the issue lies in the bonuses it applies with the second part of the set, "Harbinger of Fall". Major Maim for enemies and Minor Vitality for allies are not really great. Minor Vitality isn't necessary in pve environments and Major Maim is cool and all but not really something healers want to apply instead of something like major courage i suppose it's more of a pvp set which is a shame seeing as these item sets are specifically only for certain classes, so the item set not being great in pve really limits it's impact pretty severely. it's visuals are great, but it's effects are not. Minor Heroism is fine with the Herald of Spring aspect of the set. it's not particularly strong on it's own especially in pve but it's solid in pvp.

i think if Harbinger of Fall was to instead apply different bonuses than major maim and minor vitality such as only major courage or major slayer, it would make more sense for the overhealing aspect of the set and would help to make the item set feel really valuable for healing as healer wardens would not need to feel like they have to run the same healing sets as everyone else as it would act as a better version of spell power cure or roaring oppertunist but only for wardens.
as it currently stands, If you overheal a ranged player and it drops the area of effect on them, you get literally no benefit from major maim and the minor vitality doesn't help as the target is likely still at full hp. i think this aspect of the set needs to be revisited.

I think that class sets should be very strong as they have a very limited audience of players who can use them and currently i don't see much reason to use this set at all, execpt maybe for large scale pvp healing.
Edited by ESO_Nightingale on September 30, 2023 9:38AM
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  • flizomica
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    My plan for the set (unless they significantly change it) is to use it on my semi-RP stamina Warden healer that I mostly do 5-key pledges with because the VFX are so cool. Which is really a shame and such a missed opportunity. Something that would be a better version of SPC/Olo/MA/RO etc while having that awesome visual would really enhance class identity and improve the fantasy of playing a warden - especially since the number of plant/nature-y sets are super limited.
  • BahometZ
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    What surprised me was just how little people seemed to care about this set's creation.

    Stopped caring about warden when zos did :/

    I've appreciated your posts and efforts fighting for warden, but I just got sick of feedback falling on deaf ears.
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  • ESO_Nightingale
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    BahometZ wrote: »
    What surprised me was just how little people seemed to care about this set's creation.

    Stopped caring about warden when zos did :/

    I've appreciated your posts and efforts fighting for warden, but I just got sick of feedback falling on deaf ears.

    This post is probably too late as well.
    PvE Frost Warden Main and teacher for ESO-U. Frost Warden PvE Build Article: https://eso-u.com/articles/nightingales_warden_dps_guide__frost_knight. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX
  • ESO_Nightingale
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    Was surprised to see no changes at all for class sets beyond bug fixes this week. A shame. Though i wasn't expecting anything for gardener, i was for monolith.
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  • FantasticFreddie
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    They could have given it major toughness, which would have made it a really cool set for pvp and a niche set for pve
  • CameraBeardThePirate
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    All of the class sets are wasted opportunities. Their mediocrity shows a lack of understanding from the devs on how the game works, what makes a set good or bad, and the current meta.
  • ESO_Nightingale
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    24 hours from now feels like the earliest oppertunity for zos to revisit this set
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  • MashmalloMan
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    24 hours from now feels like the earliest oppertunity for zos to revisit this set

    We'll see. within the next 6-9 hours will decide if I want to bother coming back, if not, I'll see you all PTS U41 :D
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  • ESO_Nightingale
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    24 hours from now feels like the earliest oppertunity for zos to revisit this set

    We'll see. within the next 6-9 hours will decide if I want to bother coming back, if not, I'll see you all PTS U41 :D

    i feel this.
    PvE Frost Warden Main and teacher for ESO-U. Frost Warden PvE Build Article: https://eso-u.com/articles/nightingales_warden_dps_guide__frost_knight. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX
  • ESO_Nightingale
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    I gotta say, I'm extremely disappointed with the major debuff replacement that's coming to gardeners. A rework to how harbinger of fall is certainly nice though.

    The issue wasn't that major maim was already sourced from a couple of other things, the problem was that a defensive bonus instead of a supportive offensive one makes this set a waste of time outside of pvp as healers don't really want to sacrifice a 5 piece set for that.
    Edited by ESO_Nightingale on October 9, 2023 7:16PM
    PvE Frost Warden Main and teacher for ESO-U. Frost Warden PvE Build Article: https://eso-u.com/articles/nightingales_warden_dps_guide__frost_knight. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX
  • ESO_Nightingale
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    ... interesting changes but i can't say i enjoy the defensive focus
    PvE Frost Warden Main and teacher for ESO-U. Frost Warden PvE Build Article: https://eso-u.com/articles/nightingales_warden_dps_guide__frost_knight. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX
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