Kindred’s Concord motif?

SasserClubb · September 2023

The event announcement says the motif should be dropping but it’s nowhere to be found. Am I missing something or is this a mistake by zos?

essi2 · September 2023

It is from Nymics as far as I can tell.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Kindred's_Concord_Style_(collection)#:~:text=Kindred's Concord Style is a collection of 14,are a possible drop from completing Bastion Nymic.

Thrasher91604 · September 2023

None for sale yet, so I doubt it is dropping. Curious if anyone gets one.

virtus753 · September 2023

SasserClubb wrote: »

The event announcement says the motif should be dropping but it’s nowhere to be found. Am I missing something or is this a mistake by zos?

That announcement says it is dropping from event coffers. It’s in a list of potential contents from the gold/purple boxes.

For non-event sources, Kevin also teased that people looking for this motif might want to check out the upcoming crown store showcase.

ETA: It is a long list of potential items, so I imagine it isn’t dropping very frequently right now. We don’t know the chances of getting a motif, or if the motifs available are equally weighted. As the shiny new thing, it might be set to a very low chance.

code65536 · September 2023

The article is wrong.

(gasp! say it ain't so! but seriously, this is not the first nor will it be the last time that their articles contain factual errors)

Kindred's Concord cannot drop from the event boxes until it is released and enabled. If you save the event boxes to open after the release and enablement of the motif, then you can get them from the boxes. But if you are opening them today, you will not get them.

virtus753 · September 2023

code65536 wrote: »

The article is wrong.

(gasp! say it ain't so! but seriously, this is not the first nor will it be the last time that their articles contain factual errors)

Kindred's Concord cannot drop from the event boxes until it is released and enabled. If you save the event boxes to open after the release and enablement of the motif, then you can get them from the boxes. But if you are opening them today, you will not get them.

In this case, Kevin should have taken the opportunity to make that correction when he answered the question regarding how else to get the Kindred's Concord motif other than the event boxes. That was the perfect opportunity for it. Answering only that details on drops from other sources will be announced in the Crown Store Showcase implies that the article is accurate. There should have been a note that the motif won't start dropping even from event boxes until a specific date if that is the case.

@ZOS_Kevin Can you offer some clarification here - and, if Code's explanation is correct, correct the announcement? It is not ok to send players on a wild goose chase because of a factual error in the official article.

CGPsaint · September 2023

I was curious about this myself. Given that the drop rate for motif chapters and style pages is already pathetically low, I was not sure if it was bad RNG or if the page was just not dropping. I did 2 sets of delve/boss quests on on 7 characters the first day and my entire loot haul (minus trash) was 1 style page, 1 motif chapter, 1 treasure map. That's from 56 blue coffers and 60+ purple coffers. Underwhelming as always.

RealLoveBVB · September 2023

I understand it like this, that the concord motif is starting to drop early in October.
So the news post about dropping them in coffers is not false, because they will most likely be included at the end of the event. (?)

essi2 · September 2023

If you are dropping new rewards mid event, then that should be made clear in the info you release about the event, anything else is literally misleading.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin

virtus753 · September 2023

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

I understand it like this, that the concord motif is starting to drop early in October.
So the news post about dropping them in coffers is not false, because they will most likely be included at the end of the event. (?)

Let's say a computer parts manufacturer says that anyone who purchases a certain GPU will get a free copy of a certain game with it, starting in September. You see that offer and read the fine print. There's no further information about when the offer goes into effect, other than September. It's September, and you've been wanting that game (as well as a new GPU) for months. So you buy that GPU now that it comes with that game. Then the retailer refuses to provide your game code, and the manufacturer later explains the offer wasn't scheduled to go into effect until the end of September. Still technically September, right? But they omitted critical information about when in September, which led you to make a purchase you might not otherwise have made - or made at that time. Had they provided the relevant details, you might have postponed your purchase until the offer went into effect or might not have made that purchase at all.

Isn't that problematic?

Inaccurate, incomplete, and misleading information erodes trust between company and consumer, especially if it leads people to spend time or money they otherwise wouldn't have.

Dragonnord · September 2023

code65536 wrote: »

If you save the event boxes to open after the release and enablement of the motif, then you can get them from the boxes.

Unless it's not retroactive, like many other boxes and coffers before that have not been.

code65536 · September 2023

Dragonnord wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

If you save the event boxes to open after the release and enablement of the motif, then you can get them from the boxes.

Unless it's not retroactive, like many other boxes and coffers before that have not been.

It's how the High Isle event coffers worked. During the event itself, those coffers dropped only one motif. If you were like me and had a dozen coffers left over on a character that you forgot about until a few months after the event, you would've noticed that they were dropping three different motifs. So, yes, it's retroactive.

Now, way back in the day, like in 2016, they created entirely new coffers with entirely new loot tables when they added things. But back then, when they released a motif, that motif was released with the major patch. So if a motif was added with a particular quarterly update, then it would start dropping on day 1 of that quarterly update. That was because, back then, motifs were primarily in-game rewards. The crown store versions would be added months after the motif was released in-game.

But all that changed, when ZOS realized just how much people liked these types of rewards so they decided to monetize them. Instead of the crown store version releasing months after the in-game version, they now release at the same time as the in-game version. Furthermore, they now delay the in-game release so that it'll coincide with the crown store release.

So instead of motifs being released when the content is released, now in-game motifs follow the crown store's schedule. So the devs who are making the coffers and making the loot tables for the coffers don't know when they are making them what the monetization people are going to do--what order they'll be released in, when they'll be released, whether it'll happen before, during, or after the event, etc.

So it looks like their solution to all this is to just put everything into the loot tables and then have a "is this item allowed to exist in the game yet" switch. So the Kindred Concord motif has been in the Nymic coffers' loot tables and the event coffers' loot tables all this time, but because the switch hasn't been flipped to actually enable those items, they don't actually drop.

This way, they don't have to fuss with different loot tables or going around and modifying the loot tables based on what the crown store dept. wants; it's all there and they give the crown store dept the ability to flip it on.

(Disclaimer: All this is my speculation of how things work. But it is based on detailed observations made over time of how their drops behave and so I believe it to be credible.)

Dragonnord · September 2023

code65536 wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

If you save the event boxes to open after the release and enablement of the motif, then you can get them from the boxes.

Unless it's not retroactive, like many other boxes and coffers before that have not been.

It's how the High Isle event coffers worked. During the event itself, those coffers dropped only one motif. If you were like me and had a dozen coffers left over on a character that you forgot about until a few months after the event, you would've noticed that they were dropping three different motifs. So, yes, it's retroactive.

Now, way back in the day, like in 2016, they created entirely new coffers with entirely new loot tables when they added things. But back then, when they released a motif, that motif was released with the major patch. So if a motif was added with a particular quarterly update, then it would start dropping on day 1 of that quarterly update. That was because, back then, motifs were primarily in-game rewards. The crown store versions would be added months after the motif was released in-game.

But all that changed, when ZOS realized just how much people liked these types of rewards so they decided to monetize them. Instead of the crown store version releasing months after the in-game version, they now release at the same time as the in-game version. Furthermore, they now delay the in-game release so that it'll coincide with the crown store release.

So instead of motifs being released when the content is released, now in-game motifs follow the crown store's schedule. So the devs who are making the coffers and making the loot tables for the coffers don't know when they are making them what the monetization people are going to do--what order they'll be released in, when they'll be released, whether it'll happen before, during, or after the event, etc.

So it looks like their solution to all this is to just put everything into the loot tables and then have a "is this item allowed to exist in the game yet" switch. So the Kindred Concord motif has been in the Nymic coffers' loot tables and the event coffers' loot tables all this time, but because the switch hasn't been flipped to actually enable those items, they don't actually drop.

This way, they don't have to fuss with different loot tables or going around and modifying the loot tables based on what the crown store dept. wants; it's all there and they give the crown store dept the ability to flip it on.

(Disclaimer: All this is my speculation of how things work. But it is based on detailed observations made over time of how their drops behave and so I believe it to be credible.)

I understand, even if speculation, it may be that way then.

And do you think that's just for motifs? Because, prior to the release of Necrom, I saved a lot of Tales of Tribute purple coffers (around 50, true) to get the new Almalexia stuff and fragments for ToT achievements, but when opening them after Necrom was released I got none of the new stuff, nothing new at all, but I easily got new stuff after I opened ToT coffers from Necrom. So, as I opened around 50 saved coffers and none of them got anything but the first new coffers I opened got new stuff, I can tell that was not retroactive for sure.