So will vampire be given a compensation?

smosti · May 2014

I think THE MAJORITY of you are forgetting that a LARGE PORTION of vamps DO NOT PVP.
Damn...so many trolls
I'm the only non vamp defending the vamps and I'm also one of the biggest trolls on these forums. But hey, I only troll people I find to be incorrect lol

Anzaman · May 2014

Atzenxb14a_ESO wrote: »

Syndiaan wrote: »

How many vamps would like a refund of their skill points if it resulted in taking away all the alliance points they got while exploiting vamp?

This, totally this.

Lets reset your earned APs in exchange for your free skill reset.

How do you figure out who "exploited" Vampire and who didn't? $:\$

Misanthropy · May 2014

I think someone is mad because they spent 20k for a vampire bite and now its worthless lol

ThisOnePosts · May 2014

Vamps were and are underpowered, the only thing that was overpowered was an EXPLOIT! That EXPLOIT was done mainly by sorcs and dks because they can reduce ultimate costs significantly making it virtually free to keep spamming their ultimates in Cyrodiil. Vamps need to not only be restored but fixed. Sorcs and DKs need to be nerfed on their ultimate cost reduction... THAT IS THE SOURCE. ZOS heard the cries and in a panic went and made a major nerf without taking into account the true cause of the exploit. You didn't see Nightblades using that exploit because they couldn't!

Syndiaan · May 2014

smosti wrote: »

I think THE MAJORITY of you are forgetting that a LARGE PORTION of vamps DO NOT PVP.
Damn...so many trolls
I'm the only non vamp defending the vamps and I'm also one of the biggest trolls on these forums. But hey, I only troll people I find to be incorrect lol

I don't think you realize how OP they were in PvE, you could mist form to the end of a dungeon without taking any damage, kill the boss get the skyshard and leave dungeon. You could run faster than a sprinting horse.

ShadowOfOblivion · May 2014

im.ferociousub17_ESO wrote: »

Vamps were and are underpowered, the only thing that was overpowered was an EXPLOIT! That EXPLOIT was done mainly by sorcs and dks because they can reduce ultimate costs significantly making it virtually free to keep spamming their ultimates in Cyrodiil. Vamps need to not only be restored but fixed. Sorcs and DKs need to be nerfed on their ultimate cost reduction... THAT IS THE SOURCE. ZOS heard the cries and in a panic went and made a major nerf without taking into account the true cause of the exploit. You didn't see Nightblades using that exploit because they couldn't!

Cite the exact passive that gives the DKs any kind of cost reductions

or...maybe check your sources first? DKs can generate 2 (TWO) Ult per cast of ability from the Earthen Heart line and those are not really free...

The point is that 2 Ult per cast is enough if your ult costs 5 Ult to cast

ThisOnePosts · May 2014

ShadowOfOblivion wrote: »

im.ferociousub17_ESO wrote: »

Vamps were and are underpowered, the only thing that was overpowered was an EXPLOIT! That EXPLOIT was done mainly by sorcs and dks because they can reduce ultimate costs significantly making it virtually free to keep spamming their ultimates in Cyrodiil. Vamps need to not only be restored but fixed. Sorcs and DKs need to be nerfed on their ultimate cost reduction... THAT IS THE SOURCE. ZOS heard the cries and in a panic went and made a major nerf without taking into account the true cause of the exploit. You didn't see Nightblades using that exploit because they couldn't!

Cite the exact passive that gives the DKs any kind of cost reductions or...maybe check your sources first? DKs can generate 2 (TWO) Ult per cast of ability from the Earthen Heart line and those are not really free...

The point is that 2 Ult per cast is enough if your ult costs 5 Ult to cast

Mountain's Blessing is the passive for DK's and that is exactly what they were utilizing to get pretty much a free Ultimate spam in-between using DK's other overpowered abilities while absorbing health with Swarm, rinse and repeat over. DK will be hit with nerfs, shield-bash, so will sorc, fighter's guild, etc... Vampire has severe penalties (fire can obliterate you if you are not fast) and who the hell wants to get down to 50% health just to get enough mitigation to take normal damage from fire? Yes it's helpful but vamps were far from OP, just Sorcs and DKs exploited it and it's time ZOS looks into them with scrutiny all while re-evaluating how to fix Vamps properly (also WW and NB non-Bow users for that matter).

Kyubi_3002b16_ESO · May 2014

Im a vampire night blade using a restoration staff do I look like an exploiter? Give me a damn reason to keep playing my class now that one of my main damage source is gone?

Actualy why am I playing a nightblade in this game in the first place? oh that's right because I wanted a life leeching based gimmick character now that the gimmick is underpowered versus all the other gimmick maybe we could get something interesting? Vamp wasn't OP the ult stacking was and while the ult stacking nerf was legitimate vamp shouldn't be lowered as a consequence of it. A vampire is by definition a stronguer character with crippling weakness to compensate the power gain. Now that all vampire skill are subpar to class skill or just aren't worth it to most why is vampire in the game in the first place (vampire skill should be default be superior to class skill because you paying for them by weakening yourself)... since we at it remove silver bolt from the game now it wont be much of use.

You want solar weakness? Fine then give it to us... you want us to gain increasing fire damage go ahead that would match to! And since we at it make it so guard attack us on stage 4. Its only legitimate vampire has to cope with tons of weakness to justify their power however its also legitimate that vampires ends out stronger then regular character as a result. This is called situationaly behing stronger in exchange for permanent weakness. Right now we aren't even remotely stronguer then characters like dragonknight or sorcerer even with our best builds by what right do those clowns can be stronger then us who gave up so much to gain powers at the cost of behing constantly in trouble where they had to pay nothing for it... Why aren't sorcerer paying health each time they cast a spell that deals massive damage or have to pay a progressive cost to their permanent armor wich allows them to keep over the armor cap even when naked or dragonknight having a weakness to cold or lightning because of their draconic power wich allows them to overheal anything witheout effort? If a class can by itself be stronger then a gimmick wich costed you your viability in multiple situation this is in no case a balance.

You say compensate us for all the bat swarm spammer who destroyed us in pvp but will you compensate us for all the 1 shot by mobs we were served cold in pve or in pvp when a siege weapon using fire obliterated us? You have no right to blame vampire for asking for a power worth their sacrifice.

Am I a scion or am I a twilight fan in a cosplay dress?

crislevin · May 2014

Vampire is NOT a CLASS, you don't like vamp now after exploit get fixed? get it cured.

Kyubi_3002b16_ESO · May 2014

And this is the issue vampire should be stronger then class by default if you get to be stronger or as strong as a vampire with class alone or that vampire spell become at best equal to class spell theres a large problem because vampire are suppose to get strong ability you WANT to use instead of your class move as an exchange to a weakness.

Vampire have better spells then you... well why you don't exploit their weakness then and make a joke out of their blessing wich in a mather of seconds can also turn to a crippling flaw? Right now behing a vampire means behing equal in power and ability to everyone else while also taking in weakness no one has has. If I don't have better power then what other character who aren't vamp or ww has then there is no justification as to why I should have weaknesses in the first place.

Vampire is not a cosmetic joke its a buff accompagnated with a debuff

Syndiaan · May 2014

im.ferociousub17_ESO wrote: »

ShadowOfOblivion wrote: »

im.ferociousub17_ESO wrote: »

Vamps were and are underpowered, the only thing that was overpowered was an EXPLOIT! That EXPLOIT was done mainly by sorcs and dks because they can reduce ultimate costs significantly making it virtually free to keep spamming their ultimates in Cyrodiil. Vamps need to not only be restored but fixed. Sorcs and DKs need to be nerfed on their ultimate cost reduction... THAT IS THE SOURCE. ZOS heard the cries and in a panic went and made a major nerf without taking into account the true cause of the exploit. You didn't see Nightblades using that exploit because they couldn't!

Cite the exact passive that gives the DKs any kind of cost reductions or...maybe check your sources first? DKs can generate 2 (TWO) Ult per cast of ability from the Earthen Heart line and those are not really free...

The point is that 2 Ult per cast is enough if your ult costs 5 Ult to cast

Mountain's Blessing is the passive for DK's and that is exactly what they were utilizing to get pretty much a free Ultimate spam in-between using DK's other overpowered abilities while absorbing health with Swarm, rinse and repeat over. DK will be hit with nerfs, shield-bash, so will sorc, fighter's guild, etc... Vampire has severe penalties (fire can obliterate you if you are not fast) and who the hell wants to get down to 50% health just to get enough mitigation to take normal damage from fire? Yes it's helpful but vamps were far from OP, just Sorcs and DKs exploited it and it's time ZOS looks into them with scrutiny all while re-evaluating how to fix Vamps properly (also WW and NB non-Bow users for that matter).

I don't see anywhere it says bash is getting nerfed.

ThisOnePosts · May 2014

Syndiaan wrote: »

smosti wrote: »

I think THE MAJORITY of you are forgetting that a LARGE PORTION of vamps DO NOT PVP.
Damn...so many trolls
I'm the only non vamp defending the vamps and I'm also one of the biggest trolls on these forums. But hey, I only troll people I find to be incorrect lol

I don't think you realize how OP they were in PvE, you could mist form to the end of a dungeon without taking any damage, kill the boss get the skyshard and leave dungeon. You could run faster than a sprinting horse.

How many non-Vamps do I see sneaking passed all enemies in Dungeons? That is complete bs. Vamps SHOULD be fast, it's the defense and in line with Elder Scrolls! On any of my characters, INCLUDING my Vamp character, I never just speed through to the end of the dungeon. I bought the game to play, not run passed. And for those many sneaking passed enemies, who am I to say how they play their game if it doesn't effect me? You want to move fast? Become a vamp and enjoy the negative along with the positive (once positive). And an upgraded horse will outrun a Vamp, you must not be doing it right if you are concerned about speed.

Also Mist had it's limits.. you can't do anything while in Mist form other than move. In what lore are vamps not super fast? Elder Scrolls they definitely are. I sense someone who knows they can become a vamp but chooses not to because the negatives are pretty strong negatives and so they hate on any of the positives. They need to fix Vamps, if not you'll be seeing a ton of nerfs to everyone's favorite skill lines in the future.

Spiritreaver_ESO · May 2014

smosti wrote: »

fambaab16_ESO wrote: »

Wait someone asking for compensation because the exploits are patched away? Hilarious

Am I the only non vamp that agrees they should receive a re spec? Man I'd be annoyed if I camped for days till i eventually got a bite or If I offloaded my entire banks gold for one because i knew the skill lines and how I wanted my build to play. And then bam...patch flips build on its head and not only am I out the 20k i paid for the bite or the game time i spent finding one...I now have to pay a ridiculous sum to respec.

Current before patch Vampires should be allowed to once off respec their vamp skill line points. That's little to ask for considering most vamps no longer want to be a vamp due to the recent nerfs. Not their fault ZOS screwed up the vampire.

Of course ZOS could cave and allow it, but i really doubt it. Everyone who went out and got vampirism, through bite from NPCs or from other players, then completed the quest, made the decision to do so. On their own.

MMOs, decent ones anyways, are always going to be changing. And ppl need to get a handle on that fact. These are not single player games, you make a choice in one and you are not always gonna be able to revert from that choice with no consequences.

ChairGraveyard · May 2014

crislevin wrote: »

Vampire is NOT a CLASS, you don't like vamp now after exploit get fixed? get it cured.

Cool straw man argument.

Hexi · May 2014

Kyubi_3002b16_ESO wrote: »

Benefits/disadvantage are you seriously saying one should gimp himself for no compensation? I think your logics are off.

The priests of Arkay will help you with that. Stop crying or go cure yourself.

Thechemicals · May 2014

smosti wrote: »

I think THE MAJORITY of you are forgetting that a LARGE PORTION of vamps DO NOT PVP.
Damn...so many trolls
I'm the only non vamp defending the vamps and I'm also one of the biggest trolls on these forums. But hey, I only troll people I find to be incorrect lol

My girl is a pve vampire and she hasnt felt any change except for the speed thing which never made a big diff before. So what exactly is the problem youre having?

Kaiem · May 2014

I'd be happy for vampires to get respec but anything beyond that is ridiculous. The class simply wasn't working as intended and was too powerful, not just because of the pvp issues. Vampire and werewolf are supposed to be skill lines that offer some utility and flavour only, not make a character so powerful that it's detrimental not to be one. This was the case prior to this patch with vampires, the positives so heavily outweighed the negatives that you were pretty much gimping yourself by not being a vamp. Now they are actually a risks vs reward choice as they should be whilst still offering some good abilities and some additional utility.

Sihnfahl · May 2014

Syndiaan wrote: »

I don't see anywhere it says bash is getting nerfed.

Bash isn't getting a direct nerf. It's going to be a nerf of the stacking of the Block boosts.

Without the Block stuff, Bash isn't the end-all, be-all. It's useful but it's not an iWin.

Kyubi_3002b16_ESO · May 2014

Vampire have better spells then you... well why you don't exploit their weakness then and make a joke out of their blessing wich in a mather of seconds can also turn to a crippling flaw? Right now behing a vampire means behing equal in power and ability to everyone else while also taking in weakness no one has has. If I don't have better power then what other character who aren't vamp or ww has then there is no justification as to why I should have weaknesses in the first place. Why can that dude exploit my 50% fire damage increase while I can get nothing in exchange to beat him that's inacceptable.

Vampire isn't there for utility and flavor its there as an option for player to increase their power at the cost of weakening themselves in multiple situation. If it was just utility and flavor then vampire shouldn't have weakness for something anyone else can have free of risk.

Inco · May 2014

Thechemicals wrote: »

Compensate those thousands of warriors who were eaten alive by super bats.

Yes.. How about those Vamp's have all the AP points removed and distributed to all the hundreds of unfair kills.

Seriously... this is a poorly written troll post dude. FOTM is "Mostly" over for VAMP's... still slightly OP, but come on guys deal with it. Walking around VR zone today with my BUFF's enabled and found almost 70% of the people are VAMP's that I saw in Stormhaven.

WraithAzraiel · May 2014

AlexDougherty wrote: »

No they won't, the reason is they were fixing the fact that Vampires were overpowered in the game.

Now some people became Vampires because they were overpowered (some might not have realised it and just thought they were supposed to be like that), but they were overpowered and the fix is not reason for more benefits.

Vampire, by itself, was not overpowered. When it was used in conjunction with the "Ultimate Cost Reduction" skills from classes like Dragon Knight and other skill lines - the combination was OP. But vampire by it's lonesome, hardly OP.

What they should've done is made it so skills that reduce Ultimate cost don't stack - instead granting only the greatest reduction out of those available instead of adding them all together.

neocomab16_ESO · May 2014

Thechemicals wrote: »

Compensate those thousands of warriors who were eaten alive by super bats.

those idiots who didnt notice they didnt deal any dmg but lost health constantly? yeah, those mindless thralls clearly need compensation.

Syndiaan · May 2014

im.ferociousub17_ESO wrote: »

Syndiaan wrote: »

smosti wrote: »

I think THE MAJORITY of you are forgetting that a LARGE PORTION of vamps DO NOT PVP.
Damn...so many trolls
I'm the only non vamp defending the vamps and I'm also one of the biggest trolls on these forums. But hey, I only troll people I find to be incorrect lol

I don't think you realize how OP they were in PvE, you could mist form to the end of a dungeon without taking any damage, kill the boss get the skyshard and leave dungeon. You could run faster than a sprinting horse.

How many non-Vamps do I see sneaking passed all enemies in Dungeons? That is complete bs. Vamps SHOULD be fast, it's the defense and in line with Elder Scrolls! On any of my characters, INCLUDING my Vamp character, I never just speed through to the end of the dungeon. I bought the game to play, not run passed. And for those many sneaking passed enemies, who am I to say how they play their game if it doesn't effect me? You want to move fast? Become a vamp and enjoy the negative along with the positive (once positive). And an upgraded horse will outrun a Vamp, you must not be doing it right if you are concerned about speed.

Also Mist had it's limits.. you can't do anything while in Mist form other than move. In what lore are vamps not super fast? Elder Scrolls they definitely are. I sense someone who knows they can become a vamp but chooses not to because the negatives are pretty strong negatives and so they hate on any of the positives. They need to fix Vamps, if not you'll be seeing a ton of nerfs to everyone's favorite skill lines in the future.

I played a vamp, all you have to do is equip a bow with hasty retreat, while you are in mist form you had a 50% speed increase, with hasty retreat that is an additional 30%, if you had medium armor an additional 28% run speed, if you were an orc you got an additional 10%. that is a 118% speed bonus while in mist form.

Yes you can sneak past some mobs, which took a little extra time because you move slower but a vamp could literally clear a dungeon boss and grab the skyshard in less than 1 minute, i know because i did it.

Koltiros1005b14a_ESO · May 2014

Yes, let's give you and every other weak exploiter a compensation because your OP skill line was nerfed and now you fight like a nudered dog. Yes, let's buff you so you're no longer on par with everyone else.

Spiritreaver_ESO · May 2014

ChairGraveyard wrote: »

crislevin wrote: »

Vampire is NOT a CLASS, you don't like vamp now after exploit get fixed? get it cured.

Cool straw man argument.

No, not a straw man argument. I've posted it elsewhere a few times myself. Vampirism in TESO is a skill line, not a class. And ZOS is proceeding with changes in the proper fashion: optional content that is disrupting gameplay as ZOS wants it is changed first, changes to actual classes come later on after much investigation.

ThisOnePosts · May 2014

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

No they won't, the reason is they were fixing the fact that Vampires were overpowered in the game.

Now some people became Vampires because they were overpowered (some might not have realised it and just thought they were supposed to be like that), but they were overpowered and the fix is not reason for more benefits.

Vampire, by itself, was not overpowered. When it was used in conjunction with the "Ultimate Cost Reduction" skills from classes like Dragon Knight and other skill lines - the combination was OP. But vampire by it's lonesome, hardly OP.

What they should've done is made it so skills that reduce Ultimate cost don't stack - instead granting only the greatest reduction out of those available instead of adding them all together.

This (not having ultimate cost reduction stacking from DK etc..) would have fixed it without any real nerfs or community outrage.

Kyubi_3002b16_ESO · May 2014

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

No they won't, the reason is they were fixing the fact that Vampires were overpowered in the game.

Now some people became Vampires because they were overpowered (some might not have realised it and just thought they were supposed to be like that), but they were overpowered and the fix is not reason for more benefits.

Vampire, by itself, was not overpowered. When it was used in conjunction with the "Ultimate Cost Reduction" skills from classes like Dragon Knight and other skill lines - the combination was OP. But vampire by it's lonesome, hardly OP.

What they should've done is made it so skills that reduce Ultimate cost don't stack - instead granting only the greatest reduction out of those available instead of adding them all together.

That alone would have made vampire viable as a powering up method and risky at the same time as was the vampire skill line in all Elder scroll game. The release day vamp was 100% legit at its regular cost without any upgrade from external source. What should be done is lesser the cost of all vamp spell to reflect the reduction of the cost reduction so to make it we end up with a similar cost to what we had prior to 1.07 while making it so those external cost reduction have a lesser impact wich will keep vampirism legit even if a guy gear itself entirely around reducing the ult cost.

The skill line was not OP it never was what was op was the synergy made out from boons coming from the outside. Nerfing the synergy impact on the vampirism skill line would have made vampire good while not making it overpowered.

Can you fools justify making a whole skill line unviable save for the people who reaaaly want to gimp themselves in the name of a gimmick just because you ned a scapegoat to the ridiculus effect a glitch wich still exist in the game could create? because yes stacking ultimate cost reduction is a glitch... an abomination... an error to balance wich should not be possible in the first place.

Akaviri dragonguard, seducer, and emperor ultimate gain should be removed from the game or changed to something deferent.

Syndiaan · May 2014

Sihnfahl wrote: »

Syndiaan wrote: »

I don't see anywhere it says bash is getting nerfed.

Bash isn't getting a direct nerf. It's going to be a nerf of the stacking of the Block boosts.

Without the Block stuff, Bash isn't the end-all, be-all. It's useful but it's not an iWin.

It already isn't an " i win" button, i take out s/b characters all the time. The trick is hitting them while they are trying to bash you, while they are bashing they are also blocking, each bash costs 100 stamina, each block costs 100 stamina. You can drain their stamina really fast if you apply pressure.

goz · May 2014

Hmm

- faster stealth
- cool movement buff+damage mitigation which stacks!
- passive damage mitigation
- cheap and strong ultimate for trashmobs in dungeons/melees in pvp
- better magicka&stamina reg

and that all for the price of 2 purple/yellow fire glyphs

*** me, I think I will keep my vampire buffs. The only minor problem is the ultimate from the fighters guild, but seriously, nearly no one uses it in pvp...

You should look at the poor werewolves, their tree is completely useless and you guys dare to cry about some much needed fixes. That's the definition of audacity

AlexDougherty · May 2014

Nevermind, don't want anyone thinking I'm only responding to them.