i think vampires need a huge rework, and they had a huge rework at greymoor! so they need more. they're not terribly viable. i use eviserate and mist form in pvp, but they're really hard to work as a meta pve build

Yeah a total rework would be cool to try out. I mean some skills have a awesome foundation to them but in game they feel neglected and underperforming.

El_Borracho wrote: »

Mrtoobyy wrote: »

I think the penalties for vampire should be adjusted or the Undeath passive should be reduced.

The Undeath passive in PVP is really the only reason I use the Vampire skill line. Blood Mist is a fun little skill to use in 1vX, but the others aren't really that practical. I don't know of any reason to use Vampire in PVE group content that would enhance a build. If you were to nerf Undeath, might as well abandon the Vampire skill line altogether.

P.much this. I use a vampire in PvE only because I heccing love vampires, literally no other reason. 4 skills they have are basically useless in PvE as you (Blood for Blood and all version of the health drain, w/s increase thing). If they made the feed thing a passive tether while you can use other skills and bumped up the damage a bit I see no reason as why not to use it.

Frenzy is really cool but the ability to not get healed utterly kills it. Blood for Blood would be awesome to use but because of the healing thing it's useless in PvE,

Zastrix wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

Mrtoobyy wrote: »

I think the penalties for vampire should be adjusted or the Undeath passive should be reduced.

The Undeath passive in PVP is really the only reason I use the Vampire skill line. Blood Mist is a fun little skill to use in 1vX, but the others aren't really that practical. I don't know of any reason to use Vampire in PVE group content that would enhance a build. If you were to nerf Undeath, might as well abandon the Vampire skill line altogether.

P.much this. I use a vampire in PvE only because I heccing love vampires, literally no other reason. 4 skills they have are basically useless in PvE as you (Blood for Blood and all version of the health drain, w/s increase thing). If they made the feed thing a passive tether while you can use other skills and bumped up the damage a bit I see no reason as why not to use it.

Frenzy is really cool but the ability to not get healed utterly kills it. Blood for Blood would be awesome to use but because of the healing thing it's useless in PvE,

Making Vampiric Drain an instant cast skill would indeed go a long way.

Vampire shines in solo PvE arenas and PvP, but yeah the healing lockouts shut down any usefulness from group PvE unless you're carrying the group or are the healer. And if you're the healer you're probably only going to be able to fit 1 or 2 vampire abilities.

Mistform, Blood for Blood, all the passives, and Swarming Scion are really good.

Arterial Burst, Sated Fury, and Exhilarating Drain are okay.

And everything else needs a buff, or a rework on the rules.

The stuns especially need to lose the looking at you rule, or have the rule reworded where it becomes unblockable when the target is looking at you.

Perfect Scion is so easily outclassed by Swarming Scion it feels like an RP morph since it loses out on the bat swarm. Like something you'd use for Bastion Sanguinarus RP... If it lasted longer I might consider it, but cheaper cost is so miniscule it doesn't outdo the extra pressure you can put out with Swarming Scion. Swarming Scion deals more damage, and thus also gives you more healing. If you care so much about the passives being up you're probably already stages 3-4 so Perfect Scion really needs something else going for it like an increase duration or maybe making all the vampire powers free to cast.

Simmering Frenzy gives 100 more spell and weapon damage, but it lacks that infinitely scaling heal that Sated Fury is building up every time you activate it. It needs something to make it better than just more damage... Maybe a lingering spell and weapon damage equal to half the value after turning it off for 6 seconds?

Drain Vigor actually scales with all the healing buffs unlike Exhilarating Drain, but the 10% restored missing stamina is... Eh? Should be 10% of your max stamina as the stamina restore is even more pathetic than the health restore.

Mrtoobyy wrote: »

I think the penalties for vampire should be adjusted or the Undeath passive should be reduced.

Maybe increase their healing taken from sources of lifesteal but decrease healing taken from regular healing. I mean isn't healing more of a human/holy kind of thing?
Vampires gets their strength from human blood

But what about Puncturing Sweep of the Templar, this is has the effect of healing from the damage dealt, which is considered lifesteal, such as Strife and a few more skills from the Nightblade Siphoning branch, which, by the way, looks very conceptual on a vampire, although it does not apply to a vampire branch

They should remove the cost increases of skills, adjust Undeath so it isn't as strong, make the health recovery how it used to be pre Greymoor and bring back Bat Swarm and the old Vampiric Drain animation!