Good, vampires needed fixing as that was ridiculous. Of course the OP vampire player would whine here, what else is there to be expected? Not to mention that seeing how the WW is pretty much pointless, not comparable to vampire and isn't getting any boost or fixes yet (heck WW's even got reduction on their skills with last patches, as if they needed to be any more worthless then they already were), your cries about "vampire nerf" - which were much needed - fall on deaf ears. No-one cares. Well, except the other vamps who were reaping the (bugged) rewards.

i unsubbed today just because this is a clear sign the developers are understaffed and have no idea how to handle this project.

nbs quitting everyday because the half the class skills are broken with no changes in sight, vamps running wild for weeks with their ultimates (other games would have hotfixed that *** immediately), and instead of just disabling vampire ults till a later patch and saying sorry we messed up they go and completely destroy the entire skill line by VASTLY increasing the cost of everything not just swarm, 500 mana for a drain that works 1/10 the time yeah no thanks, all the while the vampire passives are still insanely bugged and broken on every loading screen.

to top it off, they didnt even give us free skill point respecs out of the line or a free cure, nope go pay 25,000 gold to get your points back because dropping vampirism doesnt give you back your skill point investment. what mmo makes HUGE sweeping changes to an ability like elusive mist and doesnt give you your point back to spend elsewhere if you want? none that i have ever played.

ive had it, a dozen re-logs everyday, locked loading screen in cyro while trying to res and cant log back into my character for hours on end, buggy skills and quests and passives, the tooltips ugh dont get me started on that garbage. instant break a nb stun and i get rooted permanently to the ground well better relog AGAIN, and now im getting hit by invisible mobs when i zone into dungeons. yet patch notes are just a laundry lists of nerfs with no real sign of better days ahead.

i put up with the "its just launch they are never smooth", well launch is over, we are a month in and its looking amateur hour in eso land. the game was worth $60, thanks for the pretty graphics and cool dungeons (when they worked), but to pay a sub for broken content and to be treated like this by the developers just isnt worth it, it should have been in beta for another year to get this crap sorted.

I think the whole vampire / werewolf thing was poorly introduced. It could have been something great, even a big part of an addon. Outlaw like, faction in factions. But as is was it was more or less a tool for abusers in pvp (and i wouldnt wonder if this abuse had happened in pve, too).

I dont know if vampirism is plain useless or not in the current state, but im glad that this pvp Cullen army has been stopped. Period.

Good news for those who just want to play a vampire for fun: Some sort "rpg-er" will leave the blood fiend spots when they realize prices for a bite drop to nowhere. They will probably even reset their points and cure it because these guys are no longer uber in pvp. Poor them!

@ChairGraveyard‌ @Trenith‌ @concobar‌

Are vampires still ruining pvp? No.

Thus it is 'fixed'.

They're working on the rest, including anything that this fix has subsequently broken.

jnormanb14a_ESO wrote: »

Anzaman wrote: »

They should have first fixed the Vampire and nerf'd afterwards.

So, what do I have now? My vampires power got heavily reduced, but I still need to relog after every single death. I still need to drop from Stage 4 to Stage 3 after changing zone.

So every player who wasn't a Vampire had to have 20+ people to kill a single Vampire, right?

So much selfishness.

Or one person who knows the tactics to defeat a vampire...

WilliamTee wrote: »

@ChairGraveyard‌ @Trenith‌ @concobar‌

Are vampires still ruining pvp? No.

Thus it is 'fixed'.

They're working on the rest, including anything that this fix has subsequently broken.

Were vampires ever ruining PvP? No.

Thus it didn't need to be 'fixed'.

dslendersb16_ESO wrote: »

jnormanb14a_ESO wrote: »

Anzaman wrote: »

They should have first fixed the Vampire and nerf'd afterwards.

So, what do I have now? My vampires power got heavily reduced, but I still need to relog after every single death. I still need to drop from Stage 4 to Stage 3 after changing zone.

So every player who wasn't a Vampire had to have 20+ people to kill a single Vampire, right?

So much selfishness.

Or one person who knows the tactics to defeat a vampire...

Hush now, that makes sense, and we know sense has no place here.

WilliamTee wrote: »

So... You're saying this is the game working completely as intended?

youtube.com/watch?v=Ucmjldufa6U

Not all vampires "abused" the ultimate reduction stacking.

Now even those who didn't do so, suffer because of them.

WilliamTee wrote: »

@concobar‌ @htoncic‌

So... You're saying this is the game working completely as intended?

youtube.com/watch?v=Ucmjldufa6U

Aww, hell no. It's just that the problem was never with the vamps. It was with ulti cost reduction stacking. And that's still here. Therefore, problem not solved and vamp is crap. So we're now worse off than before.

jnormanb14a_ESO wrote: »

Amazing how people are trying to justify the power of a Vampire. Simply put, it was ruining game play for too many people in Cyrodiil, so you get to deal with not being a God anymore.

When the strength of something literally ruins the experience for large sums of people, it is a terrible mechanic and needs to get fixed. The bugs aren't as big of a deal because you can pick other skills, or simply not be a Vampire.

To all you Vampire whiners, be thankful you aren't playing a NB. And hey, most of you are DKs with Sword & Shield, so you are still unjustifiably powerful. (Sorry for all of the assumptions but I am probably right)

I'm a NB Vampire, I have never had the abusive power that DKs and Sorcs have which caused all this crap in the first place. Vampire skill line did not need a nerf, what we needed was a default minimum ult cost.

And assumptions do not equal right, thinking that way will never end well.

LunaRae wrote: »

I'm not a vampire, but I can speak on behalf of night blades (and I'm sure others can speak on behalf of other classes) but overall lots of class abilities need fixing. Just because you got the nerf stick doesn't entitle vampires to receive ability fixes prior to class abilities. This whole conversation wouldn't even take place if Zeni would just fix every ability so it worked as it should. I share your pain in broken abilities, but don't direct your entitlement to other players.

Nobody wants prior fixes ...well not me at least. The fact that pisses people off is that the nerf comes but the fixes come in two weeks or so. And this leads to questioning ZOs decision making.

dobrt wrote: »

But don't worry paying $240-370 for the first year, for an "almost" finished MMO, is the norm....isn't it?

Actually, yes, it largely is. Most MMOs aren't polished to a fine sheen until well after release.

davidhorstub17_ESO wrote: »

i unsubbed today just because this is a clear sign the developers are understaffed and have no idea how to handle this project.

nbs quitting everyday because the half the class skills are broken with no changes in sight, vamps running wild for weeks with their ultimates (other games would have hotfixed that *** immediately), and instead of just disabling vampire ults till a later patch and saying sorry we messed up they go and completely destroy the entire skill line by VASTLY increasing the cost of everything not just swarm, 500 mana for a drain that works 1/10 the time yeah no thanks, all the while the vampire passives are still insanely bugged and broken on every loading screen.

to top it off, they didnt even give us free skill point respecs out of the line or a free cure, nope go pay 25,000 gold to get your points back because dropping vampirism doesnt give you back your skill point investment. what mmo makes HUGE sweeping changes to an ability like elusive mist and doesnt give you your point back to spend elsewhere if you want? none that i have ever played.

This..

I have no problem with them fixing the major bug of batswarm ult cost stacking with armour sets etc.. , but to wreck an entire skill line just for the sake of PVP balance doesn't bode well for a game that is 75% PVE focused.

Did they remove all the vet10's running around with duped dreugh wax legendary armour and weapons ?? Nope!

I would have liked to have at least been refunded the skill points like they did with the other two skill lines adjusted this patch, so I could at least make the decision to continue as a PVE Vamp (didn't really effect me too much as the 60% ultimate reduction has never applied due to the zone'in bug and I had Storm At + Soul burst as my two ultimates)

I don't regret the the £90 cost of the retail Imperial Edition (maybe a little) as I have more /played time than 4 single player games combined so I can safely say I got my moneys worth playing to Vet 3. but sadly like the person above I also have decided to cancel the 6 month sub I had planned on until I see where they go with continued "Adjustments"

Laura wrote: »

there is still plenty of reason to be a vampire in PvE. the ultimate is still great. There just isn't enough to make people feel like they HAVE to be a vampire.

Translation, "They didn't fix Bat Swarm spam, so if you like abusing Bat Swarm you're still good to go. If you are a PvE vampire or only used Drain/Mist Form - well screw you, I got mine!".

And for the record, the 1.0.7 nerf patch also broke Elusive Mist - it now gives 0% speed boost, not 30%.

Im just wondering what zos do with the money we pay them. Pool of money? Use it as a pillow? It seems a waste.

The bugged skills should be 2nd priority, (1st are the quests). Now they went out of the way to nerf vamps, they should be able to apply the fix as well. I think they are lying to us about 1.1 fixing skill bugs. Because if theyre not, they can just simply apply it when they nerfed vamps.