Pretty much, almost all end game PVE content is significantly easier on Magic builds

i11ionward wrote: »

Hybridization...

I resist this. All magicka all the time.

all my main dd's are stamina, its great dont feel abandoned at all but if your looking for a push in over all performance to improve it even more then im all for it, please single out all stamina skills and make the better and stronger and cost less stamina to use.

What is a stamina build?

Heavy attack oakensoul builds (very popular now) are stamina, as magicka is useless outside of casting spells.

Stamina was meta not long ago. It switches back and forth, though right now I’ve heard stamsorc is good still?

master_vanargand wrote: »

ixthUA wrote: »

Heavy attack oakensoul builds (very popular now) are stamina, as magicka is useless outside of casting spells.

Oakensoul builds are not top meta and will be nerfed in this update.

Mh yeah but only Empower by 10%, right? Rest stays, so Oakensoul will still be viable to use with the new chapter, which is cool to see also for players who are not that strong with "normal" weaving builds or have issues weaving or simply want a good alternative (survival vs. dps) for Trifectas or similar.

Top parses on Discord servers, logs are usually stam parses.

Of course, a lot of endgame content is much harder in melee than it is in range, but that's been the case for years. Stam generally hits harder at the moment.

Hybridization killed build diversity.

Most people are under the opposite impression - more skills to choose from, so there should be more builds, right?

The reality is that the BIS skill and set choices are much clearer than before, and there is a much larger gap between BIS choices and "off meta" choices than there used to be. With hybridization you are just nerfing yourself by not building to utilize the best morphs of every skill, regardless of cost. This results in everyone using more or less the same abilities and sets, thus resulting in less diversity.

Additionally, hybridization itself was done in a very lazy way. They standardized the tooltips of everything across the game, and then just applied dynamic scaling to everything. They should have done a thoughtful pass on everything, considering things like "should everyone have access to spammable burst heals" or "should everyone have access to an unrestricted strong HOT (vigor), or "should we increase the effectiveness of certain stamina morphs".

Hybridization could have been great for the game, if zenimax cared to properly balance it. But the end result of their poorly implemented hybrid system is that there is effectively 6 classes now instead of 12 like before, and thus you're going to primarily see hybrid content as opposed to stamina or magicka specific builds.

Pretty much all other classes except DK and sorc use stamina builds.

shukkig4 wrote: »

Honestly not sure why everyone is still trying to claim that magicka is easier to play than stam, when literally every class is being played melee and basically both mag and stam are using the exact same skills. The concept of mag being easier than stam should've died long time ago and playing ranged is irrelevant in most content. Like seriously, in vRG and vDSR, only Bahsei could potentially be slightly easier on ranged setup since you have more time to react to curse from tank, other than that, all other fights are melee fights.

The light armour shield!

Oh wait.

React wrote: »

Hybridization killed build diversity.

Most people are under the opposite impression - more skills to choose from, so there should be more builds, right?

The reality is that the BIS skill and set choices are much clearer than before, and there is a much larger gap between BIS choices and "off meta" choices than there used to be. With hybridization you are just nerfing yourself by not building to utilize the best morphs of every skill, regardless of cost. This results in everyone using more or less the same abilities and sets, thus resulting in less diversity.

Additionally, hybridization itself was done in a very lazy way. They standardized the tooltips of everything across the game, and then just applied dynamic scaling to everything. They should have done a thoughtful pass on everything, considering things like "should everyone have access to spammable burst heals" or "should everyone have access to an unrestricted strong HOT (vigor), or "should we increase the effectiveness of certain stamina morphs".

Hybridization could have been great for the game, if zenimax cared to properly balance it. But the end result of their poorly implemented hybrid system is that there is effectively 6 classes now instead of 12 like before, and thus you're going to primarily see hybrid content as opposed to stamina or magicka specific builds.

Hybridization should have only happened to damage skills, not heals and utilities.

Also, all the skills that were exceptions to their rule sets needed a once over to make sure they didn't become broken by Hybridization.

I wanted Hybridization so badly but it's execution was poorly done.

I just want to know what the HASorc equivalent is when using a bow, or dw, or with a 2hander.

That would be nice.

And yes, a HASorc uses stam, but it does not even need the stam really. And once a build uses a destruction staff, that reads “Mag build” to me, even if no points are actually set into Mag.

So to answer the OP’s question, yeah to me “classic (pure?)” stam builds feel a bit neglected, but that is better than being nerfed like HASorcs are getting nerfed (via the oak ring plus storm master set).

All this Hybridization did was make everyone magicka with dual daggers frontbar and 2h sword backbar

RodneyRegis wrote: »

ixthUA wrote: »

Heavy attack oakensoul builds (very popular now) are stamina, as magicka is useless outside of casting spells.

Wha?

Those spells are strengthened massively by max mag from attributes, enchantments and food.

And which of them doesn’t scale dynamically with your highest offensive stat now?

As far as I was aware they finally hybridized the last three holdouts for offensive skills (including Power of the Light) a couple of updates ago. Max stam vs. max mag doesn’t matter for the scaling of hybridized skills. It does matter for a build in the big picture in terms of sustain, armor/set choice, etc. But not for scaling alone.