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Veteran Leveling: the dumbest idea ever
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Now, I'm not going to go into detail about how freken frustrating VR leveling is. However, I will post a link to a thread which has the perspective of a ton of players fed up with this BS that is VR.
http://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/24r2ld/veteran_levels_need_to_be_redesigned/
To sum it up: VR needs to be revamped. I am only halfway into VR 1 and already given up on leveling. It's too time consuming and boring. It took a month to hit 50; I'm not interested (as well as a vast majority of players) in leveling throughout my time in this game. I'd like to PVP and do raids as what is usually intended once you hit max level, but I can't do that because the grind is TOO much.
Rage on nerds
Edited by blackcules on May 10, 2014 5:28PM http://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/24r2ld/veteran_levels_need_to_be_redesigned/
To sum it up: VR needs to be revamped. I am only halfway into VR 1 and already given up on leveling. It's too time consuming and boring. It took a month to hit 50; I'm not interested (as well as a vast majority of players) in leveling throughout my time in this game. I'd like to PVP and do raids as what is usually intended once you hit max level, but I can't do that because the grind is TOO much.
Rage on nerds
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Belrim✭✭✭And you die a lot. Not because of mistakes or anything. It just seems rng. I die to 3 guys without knowing really why, and then when I come back to kill them, I have 80% hp left and 50% magicka without using any potions or heals.
quote from the reddit link .. and that is so true. I have not seen this level of randomness in combat in any other MMO.Early bird gets the worm, but second mouse gets the cheese.9 -
LadyMamoulian✭✭✭I dont understand: what do you mean by "I'm not interested (as well as a vast majority of players) in leveling throughout my time in this game". I am asking because I am not interested in levelling at all.. I am VR7 currently and I am enjoying the game immensely so far..11
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Bromburak✭✭✭✭✭I'm not interested (as well as a vast majority of players) in leveling throughout my time in this game
Ok, then don't level!
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tordr86b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭VR - Forcing you to do every quest, every dolmen and every world boss to progress to the next rank and to top it off, you have to clear TWO factions worth of quests. But there is the second choice, you can go for the old korean mmo experience by grinding 1000000000000000 mobs.
Elder Scrolls Grind,
not a true TES game at all.
I'm VR 9 now, and I'm so god damn sick of doing quesssssssssssstsssssssssss.Edited by tordr86b16_ESO on May 6, 2014 5:01AM9 -
LadyMamoulian✭✭✭Exactly.. I actually did read through the link Blackcules posted and its even bigger enigma for me. It is interesting to see how some whiners are complaining about levelling too fast and having nothing to do and some other whiners about levelling too slow and having too much to do and being bored by it already - completey the opposite! Well, the simple answer is - just stay in the middle. And please do not label your problem a "majority" problem. I play with a lot players as well, I am a member of five guilds and even though everyone has his or her own playstyle, the level progression is just fine. The people I play with are not complaining about it. For myself the VR end content truly is free and not limiting at all - I can solo anytime (dying very rarely and only because my own fault). I can go to any map within the domain, doing anything I please. The most important thing for me is experiencing the meticulously detailed world of Tamriel while it lasts, levelling is not important at all.3
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Commonpain✭✭✭As you all know, there are problems in this game... but why bother?
There's already a solution for all the problems you may encouter in this game.
ever.
really.
trust me on this one.
its true.
btw... cookie?
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tordr86b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Don't you be rippin on us DK's
sniff. :'(Edited by tordr86b16_ESO on May 6, 2014 5:05AM2 -
blackwolf7✭✭✭Well this is what you get when your company hires a group of freshly grad programming students.
Cant fix bugs. Cant balance classes. Cant code properly. No end game? Throw random ideas and get on with it.
The elder scrolls franchise has a large fanbase that regardless of how dull and unpolish their game is, people will still blindly support them.12 -
Nooblet✭✭✭✭tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »VR - Forcing you to do every quest, every dolmen and every world boss to progress to the next rank and to top it off, you have to clear TWO factions worth of quests. But there is the second choice, you can go for the old korean mmo experience by grinding 1000000000000000 mobs.
Elder Scrolls Grind,
not a true TES game at all.
I'm VR 9 now, and I'm so god damn sick of doing quesssssssssssstsssssssssss.
Then do wayrest sewers.... 350k ish a run in 15-20 mins is WAY faster than questing.3 -
LadyMamoulian✭✭✭And WAAY dumber too. So go ahead and torture yourself with some idiotic grinding. Why would anyone experience the absolutely beautiful and diverse world of Tamriel when he can spend days grinding in stinking sewers Edited by LadyMamoulian on May 6, 2014 5:21AM4
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Nooblet✭✭✭✭lol I guess i would differ in opinion. I hated quests. I found sewer grind fun, and some useful drops.
And it took me all of 1 day to go from 8-10.Edited by Nooblet on May 6, 2014 5:23AM1 -
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✭✭I honestly would have preferred a level cap of 150 after doing all 3 alliances. Just did Stros M'kai and had 0 feeling of progression. Horrible feeling.4 -
rotiferuk✭✭✭blackcules wrote: »Now, I'm not going to go into detail about how freken frustrating VR leveling is. However, I will post a link to a thread which has the perspective of a ton of players fed up with this BS that is VR.
http://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/24r2ld/veteran_levels_need_to_be_redesigned/
To sum it up: VR needs to be revamped. I am only halfway into VR 1 and already given up on leveling. It's too time consuming and boring. It took a month to hit 50; I'm not interested (as well as a vast majority of players) in leveling throughout my time in this game. I'd like to PVP and do raids as what is usually intended once you hit max level, but I can't do that because the grind is TOO much.
I have not hit VR level yet, however, I do not fancy doing all the factions again. The only one I have not done is the Aldmeri Dominion. I will do this, as for the rest, I doubt it. I understand why ZOS reduced the levelling in Cyrodiil, however, I think that was a mistake. I think players should have the choice as to where they level. BTW, levelling in PvP mean missing out on quest skill points unless you do those specific quests.
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rotiferuk✭✭✭BenjaminKacher_ESO wrote: »I'm amazed some people that clone Reddit posts can even read.
Thank you for your outstanding contribution to the discussion.
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Kililin✭✭✭✭
The saddest part is that this game has some very good quests that even i start to read, and i am notorious on skipping dialogue. But this good quests get drowned because you are forced to grind hundreds of quests and are no longer interested.
Also stop this then dont level, smell the roses ***. If you want to pvp, and a big part of this game is about pvp, you better dont stay at V3. If VR would provide no or a very small benefit, or even horizontal progression instead of vertical you would have a point.
But its flat out vertical progression, you are just better at V10 than at V1.
This is no single player RPG you compete with other players.
What is creeping me out especially is that it is obviously not done at VR10, if they keep their timeline we get VR11and12 in about two weeks, and most people are just barely into VR's. (Dont take this as a to much content argument, content is good, progression the majority can not keep up with is not.)tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »VR - Forcing you to do every quest, every dolmen and every world boss to progress to the next rank and to top it off, you have to clear TWO factions worth of quests. But there is the second choice, you can go for the old korean mmo experience by grinding 1000000000000000 mobs.
Elder Scrolls Grind,
not a true TES game at all.
I'm VR 9 now, and I'm so god damn sick of doing quesssssssssssstsssssssssss.
Then do wayrest sewers.... 350k ish a run in 15-20 mins is WAY faster than questing.
Yes, but you still have to do cadwells almanach.
Also 15-20 mins with pug - no.
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Commonpain✭✭✭BenjaminKacher_ESO wrote: »I'm amazed some people that clone Reddit posts can even read.
Thank you for your outstanding contribution to the discussion.
Just thought the same, really
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Remember the beginning of WoW and it would take a year to level and how rewarding it felt to finally ding 60? Now they just hand out a max level characters for buying the game. If you want an easy mode game go play WoW.6
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BrassRazoo✭✭✭✭✭I like it. It is a challenge.
You get to explore all the content and hear all the stories and also get a hell of a lot of skill points to build a complete character.
A long they way you accumulate items to level up your crafting and with myself at almost V6; I have Provisioning and Alchemy at level 50, Wood, Cloth, and Black at 40+ and Enchanting approaching 22.
I for one would not want to achieve all this by standing in one spot and killing the same thing over and over again.
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Nooblet✭✭✭✭The saddest part is that this game has some very good quests that even i start to read, and i am notorious on skipping dialogue. But this good quests get drowned because you are forced to grind hundreds of quests and are no longer interested.
Also stop this then dont level, smell the roses ***. If you want to pvp, and a big part of this game is about pvp, you better dont stay at V3. If VR would provide no or a very small benefit, or even horizontal progression instead of vertical you would have a point.
But its flat out vertical progression, you are just better at V10 than at V1.
This is no single player RPG you compete with other players.
What is creeping me out especially is that it is obviously not done at VR10, if they keep their timeline we get VR11and12 in about two weeks, and most people are just barely into VR's. (Dont take this as a to much content argument, content is good, progression the majority can not keep up with is not.)tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »VR - Forcing you to do every quest, every dolmen and every world boss to progress to the next rank and to top it off, you have to clear TWO factions worth of quests. But there is the second choice, you can go for the old korean mmo experience by grinding 1000000000000000 mobs.
Elder Scrolls Grind,
not a true TES game at all.
I'm VR 9 now, and I'm so god damn sick of doing quesssssssssssstsssssssssss.
Then do wayrest sewers.... 350k ish a run in 15-20 mins is WAY faster than questing.
Yes, but you still have to do cadwells almanach.
Also 15-20 mins with pug - no.
Well I still didnt finish cadwells in the 6-10 zones, but I might get around to it sometime. But yes, You cant really get max potential out of sewers until V8, but to me it was a nice break from questing the rest of the way.
And I only did it with pugs(mostly the same one) I guess I got lucky? Dunno, first run took a little longer to get the hang of how everyone played, the rest were smooth.Edited by Nooblet on May 6, 2014 5:38AM0 -
blackwolf7✭✭✭It's good that we need to quest to level upm but the quests are boring! Same thing differenct character.0
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Commonpain✭✭✭Prospero_ESO wrote: »Commonpain wrote: »trust me on this one.
its true.
btw... cookie?
The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.
Trolls:
Oh, did that hurt the german trolly DK highlords feelings?
sooorry.
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rotiferuk✭✭✭Remember the beginning of WoW and it would take a year to level and how rewarding it felt to finally ding 60? Now they just hand out a max level characters for buying the game. If you want an easy mode game go play WoW.
It's not about wanting an easy mode game. It's about not being bored into a coma.
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LadyMamoulian✭✭✭Kililin, what do you mean by "Also stop this then dont level, smell the roses ***"? Are you telling me that if I am not interested in fast and effective levelling, I am doing something wrong? I will be VR10 when I choose to be so (I am VR7 now).. or are you telling me I should play YOUR way? I have no intention do to do so at all. My intention actually is exactly what you suggest it shouldnt be - I want to experience EVERYTHING in the world of Tamriel, take my sweet time, and forget about levelling completely. And boy, am I having a great time doing just that!Edited by LadyMamoulian on May 6, 2014 5:46AM6
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Dalriaden✭✭✭Leveled with two guild mates with ring of maras to both of them and found it quite easy. Now I'm vr 10 and stuck on volundrag where the dc owns every dang keep and not enough alliance points to change my home. -.-
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Hodorius✭✭✭Yes, but you still have to do cadwells almanach.
This game is so broken!"§%"!
It forces me to do 4-8 questlines per region... 2-3 hours of questing to be rdy to go to the next one!
2-3 hours is soooo long and I cannot bear that...
Seriously:
You dont want to quest then do the main quests ONLY and proceed to the next area.
I did all the quests in the second campaign and was able to skip the first three regions in the third and last one.
Two regions to go until I am finished with the questing.
You do not need any dungeons, dolmens or bosses to finish that "mainquest" that prick of a Cadwell gave you.
I am not sure if you need VR5 because I had VR7 at the end of the "silver" quest.
But getting 1-2 VRs in PvP is not that hard if you enjoy PvP.
Edited by Hodorius on May 6, 2014 6:01AM2 -
Kililin✭✭✭✭LadyMamoulian wrote: »Kililin, what do you mean by "Also stop this then dont level, smell the roses ***"? Are you telling me that if I am not interested in fast and effective levelling, I am doing something wrong? I will be VR10 when I choose to be so (I am VR7 now).. or are you telling me I should play YOUR way? I have no intention do to do so at all. My intention actually is exactly what you suggest it shouldnt be - I want to experience EVERYTHING in the world of Tamriel, take my sweet time, and forget about levelling completely. And boy, am I having a great time doing just that!
You can do whatever you like, but you are arguing because something does not affect your playstyle it is ok...
I am sorry but i also want to play this game my way, and if i am arguing for it i do not want to hear that it is ok if i play another way.
Who is in the majority or not, we will never know, but at least on message boards, there are a lot of people that dont like the setup currently.
I would like it more if everything gave a comparable amount of experience, i think forcing people to do something before they are allowed to compete in another area of the game is design anno 2000.
@nooblet it probably gets better at higher VR's, than you can switch between mindnumbing quests and dungeon facerolling
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Hexi✭✭✭✭✭My only problem with it, is that I've spent the least amount of time in my own factions areas and I don't even go to the Pact cities, at all, ever, there's no reason to.2
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LadyMamoulian✭✭✭If somebody wants to level up very quickly and destroy his/her Tamriel experience in the process, he/she can always enter tier I or II VER dungeons and grind idiotically ad nausea.1
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killedbyping✭✭✭✭What kind of nonsense that topic is ?
Complain about something that meant to be hard to achieve and long term to be actualy hard to achieve and long term ?
If you realy not interested in farm, grinding, leveling and questing why dont you go play something like Heroes of Newerth or Counter Strike ?
This is just redicilous.
Obviously, you are doing it wrong.
I got vr1 and half way to vr2 before i even left Coldharbour.
Now im doing quests simply for achivements and skill points. Not really up to achieve max level as fast as possible. I have no problems with my vr4 atm. Can play PVP or do anything else just fine.
If you want fast level up go for PVP or farm dungeons. This is realy the fastest way.Edited by killedbyping on May 6, 2014 6:07AM4