What is the collective noun used for Khajiits and Argonians? Tell me your cool suggestions!

WiseSky · April 2023

A nest of Argonians?
A swool of Khajiits?
An omelet of Argonians?
A furball of Khajiits?

We need answerers!!

Thoughts?

TaSheen · April 2023

Eh, no interest in argonians but I'm not.... doing the handbag thing. Boots though....

A clowder of Khajiit. According to google.

Eiagra · April 2023

A pride of Khajiiti seems fairly appropriate.
Argonians seem like it should have something connected to the Hist, but still group-like in scope... maybe a pool of Argonians?

Soarora · April 2023

I guess a tribe of Argonians if Aztecs are considered a tribe. As for Khajiit, any of the ones used for a group of cats would work, though I think a band is a good option because BANDaari and it just fits the vibe to me.

ArchMikem · April 2023

Khajiit, is both singular and plural when referring to the people. Pretty simple. Khajiiti, with an extra 'i' at the end is when referring to "of the Khajiit", describing something.

Soarora wrote: »

I guess a tribe of Argonians if Aztecs are considered a tribe. As for Khajiit, any of the ones used for a group of cats would work, though I think a band is a good option because BANDaari and it just fits the vibe to me.

It's actually Baandari, and the name has no relation to the word Band. UESP actually claims they refer to themselves as the "Wandering Litter" of the God Baan Dar. So I guess Lore gave us an answer, a group of Khajiit can be called a Litter.

Jaraal · April 2023

A convocation of cat-folk.

A muster of moist-scales.

(or a leap of lizards, as Annie would say.)

Mycelius · April 2023

A clutter of Khajiit
A clowder of Khajiit
A glaring of Alfiq
A pack of Pahmar
A pounce of Dagi
A claw of Cathay
A pride of Senche
A sowse of Sujay

A lounge of Argonians
A clutch of Argonians
A clutch of Saxhleel
A nest of Nisswo
A nest of Shadowscale
A battalion of Behemoth
A collective of Waseek-haleel (Bright Throat)
A clutch of Kota-Vimleel (Black-Tongue)
A batch of Naga-Kur (Dead-Water)
A tray of Tum-Taleel
A cluster of Gee-Raleel
A shadow of Veeskhleel
A troop of Miredancers

Thanks for starting the topic. I may have enjoyed drawing up this list a tad bit

Grizzbeorn · April 2023

A clan of Khajiit

A lounge of Argonians

AcadianPaladin · April 2023

I thought this thread might be about the race groupings in Tamriel. For example, Redguards, Nords and Imperials are examples of Men or Humans. Bosmer and Altmer are examples of Elves or Mer. Khajiit and Argonians are examples of Betmer or the Tailed Folk.

Elsonso · April 2023

Soarora wrote: »

I guess a tribe of Argonians if Aztecs are considered a tribe.

Yes, the Argonians separate into tribes, but I see this only for structured organization.

For just a gathering of random Argonians, that would not be the appropriate term, as they may be from different tribes, or even tribe-less. Terms that are related to nests and eggs would also be inappropriate, as these would be terms that hold a relationship that may not be the case.

I guess "lounge" is the best I have heard so far, and hopefully that is not talking about upholstery.

A similar case exists for "clan" when referring to Khajiit, as this sounds like a structured organized rather than a random gathering. The human references to groups of cats, lions, and tigers just don't feel right here, so I propose "mob" or "gang"

Soarora · April 2023

ArchMikem wrote: »

Khajiit, is both singular and plural when referring to the people. Pretty simple. Khajiiti, with an extra 'i' at the end is when referring to "of the Khajiit", describing something.

Soarora wrote: »

I guess a tribe of Argonians if Aztecs are considered a tribe. As for Khajiit, any of the ones used for a group of cats would work, though I think a band is a good option because BANDaari and it just fits the vibe to me.

It's actually Baandari, and the name has no relation to the word Band. UESP actually claims they refer to themselves as the "Wandering Litter" of the God Baan Dar. So I guess Lore gave us an answer, a group of Khajiit can be called a Litter.

I know they don’t actually have anything to do with bands it’s just a prime pun opportunity so I had to take it.

emilyhyoyeon · April 2023

I'm confused. Wouldn't it just be a ''group of khajiit'' or ''group of argonians''?

LunaFlora · April 2023

group of Khajiit and group of Saxhleel/Argonians. tribe or clan instead of group if they are a part of a clan or tribe
what's the collective noun for humans? group of humans? collective of humans? im confused by this post they're not rabbits or crows.

Ashryn · April 2023

"A Swamp of Argonians"

"A Prowl of Khajiit"

NotaDaedraWorshipper · April 2023

I see the usual "ha ha khajiit and especially argonians are slaves with fur/scales" related comments are the most popular over more serious answers. Don't get how people can still find those funny.

Dr_Con · April 2023

A trick of Khajiit
An appropriation of Argonian

Varana · April 2023

As groups of humans or elves are referred to as "a haggis of humans" and "an earful of elves"...

... they're not?

Oh.

Then why do we need anything for Argonians and Khajiit?
They come in groups. Like everyone else.
Or alone, but then the question is moot.

Elsonso · April 2023

Varana wrote: »

As groups of humans or elves are referred to as "a haggis of humans" and "an earful of elves"...

... they're not?

Oh.

Then why do we need anything for Argonians and Khajiit?
They come in groups. Like everyone else.
Or alone, but then the question is moot.

Moots are for when wordy Nords get together.

WiseSky · April 2023

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

I'm confused. Wouldn't it just be a ''group of khajiit'' or ''group of argonians''?

Varana wrote: »

As groups of humans or elves are referred to as "a haggis of humans" and "an earful of elves"...

... they're not?

Oh.

Then why do we need anything for Argonians and Khajiit?
They come in groups. Like everyone else.
Or alone, but then the question is moot.

Collective nouns are used to refer to a group of individuals or things as a single entity. They help to simplify language and make communication more efficient, as using a single term to refer to a group is often easier and more concise than listing all the individual members.

For example, instead of saying "a group of birds flew overhead," we can simply say "a flock of birds flew overhead." This makes the sentence shorter and easier to understand. Collective nouns can also help to convey a specific tone or image, such as "a pride of lions" or "a murder of crows."

Overall, collective nouns serve as a useful and practical tool in language, allowing us to refer to groups of people, animals, or things in a clear and efficient manner.

For this case specifically we are writing lore friendly directions with flavor text too for an Addon and wanted to know if it existed.

frogthroat · April 2023

LunaFlora wrote: »

what's the collective noun for humans? group of humans? collective of humans? im confused by this post they're not rabbits or crows.

Mycelius wrote a pretty acceptable list. But for humans a band, choir, tribe, army, gaggle, ensemble, crew, crowd, jury, staff, faculty, gang, team, party, group, class... the list goes on. As in an army of soldiers. A band of rock musicians. A gaggle of nuns.

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

I see the usual "ha ha khajiit and especially argonians are slaves with fur/scales" related comments are the most popular over more serious answers. Don't get how people can still find those funny.

What? Where? I don't see any. Have they been removed or is this again one of those "I see in the comments [something that doesn't exist in comments but I want to be mad about]" comments? The closest I can see are animal product jokes, like boots and handbags, but those I imagine are because of crocodile boots and such. Bad taste, yes, but where do you get the slavery from?

KimchiKing · April 2023

A lust of argonians

Mycelius · April 2023

Elsonso wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

I guess a tribe of Argonians if Aztecs are considered a tribe.

Yes, the Argonians separate into tribes, but I see this only for structured organization.

For just a gathering of random Argonians, that would not be the appropriate term, as they may be from different tribes, or even tribe-less. Terms that are related to nests and eggs would also be inappropriate, as these would be terms that hold a relationship that may not be the case.

I guess "lounge" is the best I have heard so far, and hopefully that is not talking about upholstery.

A similar case exists for "clan" when referring to Khajiit, as this sounds like a structured organized rather than a random gathering. The human references to groups of cats, lions, and tigers just don't feel right here, so I propose "mob" or "gang"

Fun fact - the faction that the Nisswo priests we encounter in ESO belong to the faction called 'Clutch of Nisswo'. It would appear the writers themselves took inspiration from real life language use.
Another example could be 'A Perfect Pounce', the ship of a certain Dagi-raht, surely a wordplay inspired by 'a pounce of cats' methinks.

Possible food for thought ...
A pride of senche might be acceptable .. coz animals/creatures.
A pride of senche-raht might not be or is debatable ... coz furstock.

Anyway, been fun thinking up a quick list. May not be the best, but fun

Varana · April 2023

WiseSky wrote: »

Collective nouns are used to refer to a group of individuals or things as a single entity. They help to simplify language and make communication more efficient, as using a single term to refer to a group is often easier and more concise than listing all the individual members.

For example, instead of saying "a group of birds flew overhead," we can simply say "a flock of birds flew overhead." This makes the sentence shorter and easier to understand. Collective nouns can also help to convey a specific tone or image, such as "a pride of lions" or "a murder of crows."

Overall, collective nouns serve as a useful and practical tool in language, allowing us to refer to groups of people, animals, or things in a clear and efficient manner.

For this case specifically we are writing lore friendly directions with flavor text too for an Addon and wanted to know if it existed.

I honestly don't understand how "a flock of birds" is shorter or easier to understand than "a group of birds". They're the exact same number of syllables. They mean the same thing - a "flock" is just another word for group but only when birds.
But instead of "group", I'd have to remember all the random details of which word goes with what animal - and when in doubt, I'd just default back to "group" anyway.

And second - yes, English has that peculiarity of trying to come up with different words for every group of animals under the sun. Fine, let them have their fun.
But Khajiit and Argonians are not animals. The cat people and lizard people are no different than the monkey people and bunny people. Every grouping we can apply to humans, we can apply to Khajiit. We don't come up with different terms for Nords and Redguards and Imperials or High Elves. They come in groups - or whatever more specific word we want to use. But specific not because of their race, but specific to the situation.
And I don't really see why that should be different for Khajiit and Argonians.

WiseSky · April 2023

Varana wrote: »

WiseSky wrote: »

Collective nouns are used to refer to a group of individuals or things as a single entity. They help to simplify language and make communication more efficient, as using a single term to refer to a group is often easier and more concise than listing all the individual members.

For example, instead of saying "a group of birds flew overhead," we can simply say "a flock of birds flew overhead." This makes the sentence shorter and easier to understand. Collective nouns can also help to convey a specific tone or image, such as "a pride of lions" or "a murder of crows."

Overall, collective nouns serve as a useful and practical tool in language, allowing us to refer to groups of people, animals, or things in a clear and efficient manner.

For this case specifically we are writing lore friendly directions with flavor text too for an Addon and wanted to know if it existed.

I honestly don't understand how "a flock of birds" is shorter or easier to understand than "a group of birds". They're the exact same number of syllables. They mean the same thing - a "flock" is just another word for group but only when birds.
But instead of "group", I'd have to remember all the random details of which word goes with what animal - and when in doubt, I'd just default back to "group" anyway.

And second - yes, English has that peculiarity of trying to come up with different words for every group of animals under the sun. Fine, let them have their fun.
But Khajiit and Argonians are not animals. The cat people and lizard people are no different than the monkey people and bunny people. Every grouping we can apply to humans, we can apply to Khajiit. We don't come up with different terms for Nords and Redguards and Imperials or High Elves. They come in groups - or whatever more specific word we want to use. But specific not because of their race, but specific to the situation.
And I don't really see why that should be different for Khajiit and Argonians.

I understand your point, and you're correct that "a flock of birds" and "a group of birds" have the same number of syllables and mean the same thing. However, the reason why collective nouns are used is that they can convey more information about the nature of the group. In the case of "a flock of birds," the word "flock" implies a group of birds that fly together in a specific formation or direction, which is not conveyed by the word "group."

While it is true that it may take some effort to remember which collective noun goes with which animal, it can also add color and richness to your language. Furthermore, some collective nouns can be used for multiple animals, such as "herd" for both cows and elephants, or "school" for both fish and porpoises. So, it's not necessarily about memorizing "random details" but rather expanding your vocabulary to better describe the world around you. Ultimately, the choice of whether to use collective nouns or not is a matter of personal preference and style.

Also collective nouns can be used for groups of people, animals, and things. Collective nouns are words used to describe a group of individuals or things, and they can be applied to any group of entities, regardless of whether they are living or non-living. For example, some collective nouns that refer to groups of people include a team, a choir, a crowd, and a staff. Some examples of collective nouns for things include a fleet of ships, a flock of airplanes, a set of tools, and a collection of books.

In the end, we wish to bring the correct amount of flavor into the addon to make it more "immersive" hence the name of the addon.

spartaxoxo · April 2023

Litter of Khajiit.
Clutch of Argonians.

spartaxoxo · April 2023

WiseSky wrote: »

In the end, we wish to bring the correct amount of flavor into the addon to make it more "immersive" hence the name of the addon.

While this is a fun thread, and I'm on console so my opinion doesn't matter, I will say that I think seeing a term not used much in the games to refer to the beast races would probably make the add-on less immersive to me. It's because it's not really something done in the games themselves and is more so about the add-on author's personal view on them rather than something that pulls me into the game world. That's just me though.

emilyhyoyeon · April 2023

WiseSky wrote: »

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

I'm confused. Wouldn't it just be a ''group of khajiit'' or ''group of argonians''?

Varana wrote: »

As groups of humans or elves are referred to as "a haggis of humans" and "an earful of elves"...

... they're not?

Oh.

Then why do we need anything for Argonians and Khajiit?
They come in groups. Like everyone else.
Or alone, but then the question is moot.

Collective nouns are used to refer to a group of individuals or things as a single entity. They help to simplify language and make communication more efficient, as using a single term to refer to a group is often easier and more concise than listing all the individual members.

For example, instead of saying "a group of birds flew overhead," we can simply say "a flock of birds flew overhead." This makes the sentence shorter and easier to understand. Collective nouns can also help to convey a specific tone or image, such as "a pride of lions" or "a murder of crows."

I don't know if there's a misunderstanding of what I meant or you're being condescending on purpose, I'll assume the former, so I'm saying khajiit and argonians aren't animals and don't need a collective noun any more than the other playable races.

FWIW that's my opinion and not official ''lore'' on what they're called but it's not the first time I think something in the lore should be disregarded (see MK).

Varana · April 2023

WiseSky wrote: »

... In the end, we wish to bring the correct amount of flavor into the addon to make it more "immersive" hence the name of the addon.

I see your point, and I agree with the argument that words like these make the language more flavourful and expressive.

I still have odd feelings about this, though, for the reasons that emilyhyoyeon also mentioned: Do you also have collective nouns for humans, or specific races? Whyt would we call a random gathering of Dunmer or Bretons?
Why specifically for Argonians and Khajiit?

Beilin_Balreis_Colcan · April 2023

ArchMikem wrote: »

Khajiit, is both singular and plural when referring to the people. Pretty simple. Khajiiti, with an extra 'i' at the end is when referring to "of the Khajiit", describing something.

Soarora wrote: »

I guess a tribe of Argonians if Aztecs are considered a tribe. As for Khajiit, any of the ones used for a group of cats would work, though I think a band is a good option because BANDaari and it just fits the vibe to me.

It's actually Baandari, and the name has no relation to the word Band. UESP actually claims they refer to themselves as the "Wandering Litter" of the God Baan Dar. So I guess Lore gave us an answer, a group of Khajiit can be called a Litter.

So they regarded themselves as the offspring (i.e. the litter) of the god, which is fair enough, but I'm with @Eiagra : I think a pride makes more sense as the collective noun.

Alpheu5 · April 2023

frogthroat wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

I see the usual "ha ha khajiit and especially argonians are slaves with fur/scales" related comments are the most popular over more serious answers. Don't get how people can still find those funny.

What? Where? I don't see any. Have they been removed or is this again one of those "I see in the comments [something that doesn't exist in comments but I want to be mad about]" comments? The closest I can see are animal product jokes, like boots and handbags, but those I imagine are because of crocodile boots and such. Bad taste, yes, but where do you get the slavery from?

Threads revolving around either of the beast races have a tendency to attract the type of people that RP a bit too authentically as members of House Dres. It's always something about slavery, luggage, furniture, clothing, hunting them like animals, riding on their shoulders like mounts, or some other things someone would do to what they consider an inferior race. The trope's been played out for almost 2 decades but people still go for the low hanging fruit.

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merpins · April 2023

I believe it's the same as humans irl. That'd end up being crowd or just the word people.