[REQUEST] Make it possible to right click and interact with player/user IDs in any interface

agelonestar · April 2023

It's a pain when you're running a guild, too. Just thought I'd add that.

TaSheen · April 2023

Not a good idea at all. Very discriminatory in fact.

Tommy_The_Gun · April 2023

Well, not necessary "on the topic", but this thread kinda reminded me of a funny (or not) issue that ESO has.

Did you know, that if your user profile in windows (user folder to be exact) - if it has non-standard English alphabet letters (for example: Björn), then ESO won't be able to create a settings folder in Documents, as it can not "read" a path (C:\Users\Björn\Documents) ?

Game Developer mistakes like this are rare, but those happen. MS Flight Simulator also has similar issue as some parts of the game won't work, since for whatever reason the code can't read non-english letters and some settings can not be saved.

It is very weird that things like this can happen in 21st century. I mean we have something called Unicode, right ?

Now, back to the topic: I don't think it is a good idea. Terrible in fact. If they would suddenly do something like this, they will create more mess than it is worth it. Imagine if you all of the sudden had to change names of all you characters.

Monte_Cristo · April 2023

Accent, umlauts, and other similar things can be typed using a standard english language keyboard.
For example: ÀÁÂÃÄÅÆÇÈ
Hold 'alt', then type the 4 number code using the right hand number pad (top number keys don't work for this).
Alt 0201 makes É.

Hapexamendios · April 2023

I don't agree.
No estoy de acuerdo.
俺は同意しない。

SirLeeMinion · April 2023

No thanks, OP; I like having options.

SeaGtGruff · April 2023

Non-standard characters are fine. Even standard characters can be misused to create nearly-impossible-to-type names, so the characters themselves aren't the problem.

Beilin_Balreis_Colcan · April 2023

Updating the UI to allow other player's name to be copied to the clipboard would help a lot, then the use of different alphabets requiring different keyboard layouts wouldn't matter that much.

Ratzkifal · April 2023

vsrs_au wrote: »

Updating the UI to allow other player's name to be copied to the clipboard would help a lot, then the use of different alphabets requiring different keyboard layouts wouldn't matter that much.

That's a great idea!

TaSheen · April 2023

Ratzkifal wrote: »

vsrs_au wrote: »

Updating the UI to allow other player's name to be copied to the clipboard would help a lot, then the use of different alphabets requiring different keyboard layouts wouldn't matter that much.

That's a great idea!

Yes. That's a totally logical option going forward. Really great idea, @vsrs_au ! Wish I'd thought of it - but hey, you did, so we're golden.

This is the sort of thing that needs to happen.

rpa · April 2023

For equality impose name change on everyone, for their @name and each character name while freeing every name which confirm OP standards for anyone to grab. Just like on launch. The massive login queue and tearful drama after that kind of update for a 9 year old game would be glorious.

huntgod_ESO · April 2023

perfiction wrote: »

Simple fix - change settings to display UserID instead of character names, ToT follows this setting.

On PC you can do this, without mods, didn't know you couldn't do that on console.

perfiction · April 2023

Ratzkifal wrote: »

perfiction wrote: »

Simple fix - change settings to display UserID instead of character names, ToT follows this setting.

That is not a fix when the funny letters are also in the UserID. ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)

Yeah no, according to ESO help article it shouldn't be possible https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/30950/~/what-are-the-requirements-for-creating-a-userid-for-the-elder-scrolls-online? :

You should keep the following in mind when selecting a UserID:

It will be shared with other players in game.
It must contain between 3-20 characters and start with a letter.
It may contain alphanumeric [a-z, A-Z, 0-9] characters. Each character can repeat no more than three times.
It may contain a single period, hyphen, apostrophe, and underscore.
It cannot start or end with symbols.
It cannot contain spaces.

Xandreia_ · April 2023

All good character names are gone so using other letters is a must imo, maybe don't try to whisper everyone you run into? Not everyone wants to chat

LunaFlora · April 2023

huntgod_ESO wrote: »

perfiction wrote: »

Simple fix - change settings to display UserID instead of character names, ToT follows this setting.

On PC you can do this, without mods, didn't know you couldn't do that on console.

you can do that on console but i dont get why it was suggested anyways as the title of the post mentions usernames which is user id.
though the whole post is weird

Jammy420 · April 2023

Monte_Cristo wrote: »

Accent, umlauts, and other similar things can be typed using a standard english language keyboard.
For example: ÀÁÂÃÄÅÆÇÈ
Hold 'alt', then type the 4 number code using the right hand number pad (top number keys don't work for this).
Alt 0201 makes É.

So we should have to study alt commands , instead of zos simply making it against ToS to make the names too ridiculous? Its one thing if its all in cyrillic, or all in latin, or all in chinese, its another to combine 40 language symbols to make it impossible to report.

StackonClown · April 2023

nöt sure but didnt Älkääst mention this ?? /endsarc

SpacemanSpiff1 · April 2023

yes. we speak american is eso.

LikiLoki · April 2023

vibeborn wrote: »

Standard localized letters depend on where the player is geographically. If the player is in Russia, then cyrilic letters is the standard there, if they are in China, then it's Chinese letters (do forgive me if Chines is not the right term)

So in my opinion it depends on where you are.

I do agree that it can be frustrating when you're trying to communicate with someone, and there's an alphabet/language barrier, but I don't think people should be denied from using their own country's alphabet.

Unless you of course means letters that are so alien that nobody knows what they mean

No, no. The ID must contain only the Latin alphabet and standard characters. Do you understand how many difficulties guild officers face who cannot interact normally with players who have hieroglyphs instead of standard symbols? Even simple names cause difficulties due to the similarity of the letters I(i) and l(L)
upd^ I'm not calling for banning other languages. I'm not talking about names. I'm talking about the main ID. I believe that a single standard and common symbols should work to create it.

Four_Fingers · April 2023

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

yes. we speak american is eso.

There are roughly 30 major dialects in America

Ragnarok0130 · April 2023

AnduinTryggva wrote: »

Snamyap wrote: »

You on a console? Because on PC I can just click on the name in chat if I feel I need to report someone.

That works when this person has already communicated in chat. In some cases you want to report sb who has not yet communicated.

If they're in your group on PC click on the group frame and you can whisper or report them. I'm not sure about the team frame since I've never reported anyone in game in 9 years so trial and error will be your course of action there.

Daimonion82 · April 2023

No. My keyboard, my language, my national identity, my culture. What next? Ban all other languages because you don't know them?

Olen_Mikko · April 2023

"Buuhuu, I don't want Nordic people to be able to name themselves how they see fit. I can't hate whisper."

Dude, the arrogance and entitlement are off the charts here.

Why does something bother you so much that doesn't affect you?

AnduinTryggva · April 2023

vsrs_au wrote: »

Updating the UI to allow other player's name to be copied to the clipboard would help a lot, then the use of different alphabets requiring different keyboard layouts wouldn't matter that much.

And I would be totally fine.

I am sorry if I created some heat here.

If ZOS could come around an easy solution around not being able to somehow interact with a user/account name with special letters for reporting or whisper I would be much happy and call issue closed.

And sorry: Looking up 20 Ascii letter codes is not an easy solution. There was a guy who used three very similar looking special letters about 15 times not using ONE single standard letter (replace 'W' and 'V' by similar looking special charaters to get an idea about this person's choice of account name: 'WWWWVWVWWVVVVWWWVVV'). I would have to screenshot the name, start searching the ASCII code and try to copy this in the respective UI field... this is not reasonable.

SeaGtGruff · April 2023

AnduinTryggva wrote: »

vsrs_au wrote: »

Updating the UI to allow other player's name to be copied to the clipboard would help a lot, then the use of different alphabets requiring different keyboard layouts wouldn't matter that much.

And I would be totally fine.

I am sorry if I created some heat here.

If ZOS could come around an easy solution around not being able to somehow interact with a user/account name with special letters for reporting or whisper I would be much happy and call issue closed.

And sorry: Looking up 20 Ascii letter codes is not an easy solution. There was a guy who used three very similar looking special letters about 15 times not using ONE single standard letter (replace 'W' and 'V' by similar looking special charaters to get an idea about this person's choice of account name: 'WWWWVWVWWVVVVWWWVVV'). I would have to screenshot the name, start searching the ASCII code and try to copy this in the respective UI field... this is not reasonable.

Yes, I think I may have seen the name you're referring to, which was precisely what I had in mind when I said

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Non-standard characters are fine. Even standard characters can be misused to create nearly-impossible-to-type names, so the characters themselves aren't the problem.

It's a really tricky situation, though, because it's easy for someone to assume what the intent is, but difficult to prove it, and by itself it isn't any sort of TOS or COC violation that I'm aware of.

On the other hand, if someone can be required to change their account name or a character name because it's considered to be offensive, potentially defamatory, an infringement of copyright, etc., then it might be reasonable to require someone to change their name because it's judged to be a deliberate attempt to make it difficult for other players to report them.

zaria · April 2023

StackonClown wrote: »

nöt sure but didnt Älkääst mention this ?? /endsarc

😺ÆØÅøæå😺
Why not emoji in usernames 😺
More serious if some had lots of stuff like this in username they would stay as reserve then accepting new guild members.
One and they did not know, multiple is trolling who make you unwanted as I see it.

Ratzkifal · April 2023

perfiction wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

perfiction wrote: »

Simple fix - change settings to display UserID instead of character names, ToT follows this setting.

That is not a fix when the funny letters are also in the UserID. ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)

Yeah no, according to ESO help article it shouldn't be possible https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/30950/~/what-are-the-requirements-for-creating-a-userid-for-the-elder-scrolls-online? :

You should keep the following in mind when selecting a UserID:

It will be shared with other players in game.
It must contain between 3-20 characters and start with a letter.
It may contain alphanumeric [a-z, A-Z, 0-9] characters. Each character can repeat no more than three times.
It may contain a single period, hyphen, apostrophe, and underscore.
It cannot start or end with symbols.
It cannot contain spaces.

@perfiction may I introduce you to @Hämähäkki? (sorry for the tag btw, you just happened to be the first person with special letters in their UserID that came up).
"Alphanumeric characters" includes special letters from other languages based on the latin alphabet. If the problem is that people with their QWERTY keyboards cannot type certain letters from a QWERTZ keyboard etc then displaying UserIDs changes nothing, because these names with their letters are still just as valid as UserIDs.

Ratzkifal · April 2023

LikiLoki wrote: »

vibeborn wrote: »

Standard localized letters depend on where the player is geographically. If the player is in Russia, then cyrilic letters is the standard there, if they are in China, then it's Chinese letters (do forgive me if Chines is not the right term)

So in my opinion it depends on where you are.

I do agree that it can be frustrating when you're trying to communicate with someone, and there's an alphabet/language barrier, but I don't think people should be denied from using their own country's alphabet.

Unless you of course means letters that are so alien that nobody knows what they mean

No, no. The ID must contain only the Latin alphabet and standard characters. Do you understand how many difficulties guild officers face who cannot interact normally with players who have hieroglyphs instead of standard symbols? Even simple names cause difficulties due to the similarity of the letters I(i) and l(L)
upd^ I'm not calling for banning other languages. I'm not talking about names. I'm talking about the main ID. I believe that a single standard and common symbols should work to create it.

@LikiLoki That's still not viable because qwerty keyboards do not have the same letters as qwertz keyboards and all of these letters except maybe "ß" are valid for userIDs. Just ask Hämähäkki who I am not going to tag again. Yes, that is their userID and that's perfectly valid.
Again, there are way way better options to address this issue than banning special letters in names. Like a gamer tag system where everyone gets a #123546 number in addition to their UserID that can take over the same function, or by allowing names to be copy+pasted.

perfiction · April 2023

@Ratzkifal fair, I thought that "It may contain alphanumeric [a-z, A-Z, 0-9] characters" means "only ASCII alphanumerical characters are allowed".

vibeborn · April 2023

LikiLoki wrote: »

vibeborn wrote: »

Standard localized letters depend on where the player is geographically. If the player is in Russia, then cyrilic letters is the standard there, if they are in China, then it's Chinese letters (do forgive me if Chines is not the right term)

So in my opinion it depends on where you are.

I do agree that it can be frustrating when you're trying to communicate with someone, and there's an alphabet/language barrier, but I don't think people should be denied from using their own country's alphabet.

Unless you of course means letters that are so alien that nobody knows what they mean

No, no. The ID must contain only the Latin alphabet and standard characters. Do you understand how many difficulties guild officers face who cannot interact normally with players who have hieroglyphs instead of standard symbols? Even simple names cause difficulties due to the similarity of the letters I(i) and l(L)
upd^ I'm not calling for banning other languages. I'm not talking about names. I'm talking about the main ID. I believe that a single standard and common symbols should work to create it.

I get where you're coming from in that regard, and to be completely honest I don't even know if I HAVE seen anyone in game with a non-latin letter in their ID(and I still consider Nordic/umlaut letters æ,ø,å,ö,ä latin letters)

But then if they banned non-latin letters in IDs, who says they can't ban non-latin letters in zone chat? I mean I could be called "something bad" in Russian, but there's no way I would be able to prove it, because I don't speak Russian) so as of things are now I can't report anyone who speaks bad to me in Russian

Some other games might have a strongly attached English-only tag on them, but I actually commend ESO for being one of the games where you can speak and be named something in your own language, plus if they dissallowed non-latin letters, then they shouldn't translate the game to those languages.

Also I'm Nordic, and I'm one of those who specifically chose NOT to use Nordic letters in my ID or characters names, because if someone has something to say to me, I think they should be able to. Also because Væbebørn wouldn't be a good name. But that only applies to me. I still think non-latin letter users should be able to use their own alphabet

I think I saw someone else say, they could implent ID number system, and I second that.

Hopefully this makes sense. If not I apologize.