[REQUEST] Make it possible to right click and interact with player/user IDs in any interface

Ratzkifal

vibeborn wrote: »

LikiLoki wrote: »

vibeborn wrote: »

Standard localized letters depend on where the player is geographically. If the player is in Russia, then cyrilic letters is the standard there, if they are in China, then it's Chinese letters (do forgive me if Chines is not the right term)

So in my opinion it depends on where you are.

I do agree that it can be frustrating when you're trying to communicate with someone, and there's an alphabet/language barrier, but I don't think people should be denied from using their own country's alphabet.

Unless you of course means letters that are so alien that nobody knows what they mean

No, no. The ID must contain only the Latin alphabet and standard characters. Do you understand how many difficulties guild officers face who cannot interact normally with players who have hieroglyphs instead of standard symbols? Even simple names cause difficulties due to the similarity of the letters I(i) and l(L)
upd^ I'm not calling for banning other languages. I'm not talking about names. I'm talking about the main ID. I believe that a single standard and common symbols should work to create it.

I get where you're coming from in that regard, and to be completely honest I don't even know if I HAVE seen anyone in game with a non-latin letter in their ID(and I still consider Nordic/umlaut letters æ,ø,å,ö,ä latin letters)

But then if they banned non-latin letters in IDs, who says they can't ban non-latin letters in zone chat? I mean I could be called "something bad" in Russian, but there's no way I would be able to prove it, because I don't speak Russian) so as of things are now I can't report anyone who speaks bad to me in Russian

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Alphabets other than latin based ones aren't allowed as UserIDs, but special characters not found on English keyboards are still possible, like æ,ø,å,ö,ä,ü and accents. ß may or may not be allowed, I am not sure on that one.
But who said anything about banning non-latin letters in zone chat? That is even more radical and discriminatory to ask for. To my understanding, the only reason non-latin letters are banned from UserIDs is because of coding and that the coding language used for ESO cannot deal with UserID inputs that aren't latin-based.
Also, yes you can report people who are talking to you in cyrilics or japanese or chinese or whatever. Just report it and trust that the system works. The people reviewing your report will have to deal with the issue of translating it. If no offense was found then there was no harm done by reporting them. It's definitely easier for moderators to copy text from their chatlogs than for us to do so ingame (although with the help of addons, you can).

Dr_Con

it's a bit deceptive to gather all that feedback under "we need name police" then switch the title to a feature request topic.

nvm, different posts, apologies to the OP

vibeborn

Ratzkifal wrote: »

vibeborn wrote: »

LikiLoki wrote: »

vibeborn wrote: »

Standard localized letters depend on where the player is geographically. If the player is in Russia, then cyrilic letters is the standard there, if they are in China, then it's Chinese letters (do forgive me if Chines is not the right term)

So in my opinion it depends on where you are.

I do agree that it can be frustrating when you're trying to communicate with someone, and there's an alphabet/language barrier, but I don't think people should be denied from using their own country's alphabet.

Unless you of course means letters that are so alien that nobody knows what they mean

No, no. The ID must contain only the Latin alphabet and standard characters. Do you understand how many difficulties guild officers face who cannot interact normally with players who have hieroglyphs instead of standard symbols? Even simple names cause difficulties due to the similarity of the letters I(i) and l(L)
upd^ I'm not calling for banning other languages. I'm not talking about names. I'm talking about the main ID. I believe that a single standard and common symbols should work to create it.

I get where you're coming from in that regard, and to be completely honest I don't even know if I HAVE seen anyone in game with a non-latin letter in their ID(and I still consider Nordic/umlaut letters æ,ø,å,ö,ä latin letters)

But then if they banned non-latin letters in IDs, who says they can't ban non-latin letters in zone chat? I mean I could be called "something bad" in Russian, but there's no way I would be able to prove it, because I don't speak Russian) so as of things are now I can't report anyone who speaks bad to me in Russian

[...]

Alphabets other than latin based ones aren't allowed as UserIDs, but special characters not found on English keyboards are still possible, like æ,ø,å,ö,ä,ü and accents. ß may or may not be allowed, I am not sure on that one.
But who said anything about banning non-latin letters in zone chat? That is even more radical and discriminatory to ask for. To my understanding, the only reason non-latin letters are banned from UserIDs is because of coding and that the coding language used for ESO cannot deal with UserID inputs that aren't latin-based.
Also, yes you can report people who are talking to you in cyrilics or japanese or chinese or whatever. Just report it and trust that the system works. The people reviewing your report will have to deal with the issue of translating it. If no offense was found then there was no harm done by reporting them. It's definitely easier for moderators to copy text from their chatlogs than for us to do so ingame (although with the help of addons, you can).

Ah, okay, then it makes sense I haven't seen any IDs with non-latin letters
The part about zone chat was about if they deny one thing, what's to stop them from denying another (I know of course they won't do that, the thought just occurred to me, I agree that would be even more discriminatory and defeat the purpose of making the game available in those languages) also sometimes I mix the two things up, which I apologize for

As for reporting non-latin zone chat. I meant that someone could say Hello to you, but they could also say something less flattering, but now I realize that you can still do that in latin letters. I would just feel bad for reporting something well intentioned, but that's just me thinking the police or something will come if I do so lol

So bottom line for me is, if non-latin letters aren't already allowed, then I don't see the problem with the way things are now, as others have said there are ways to type the non a-z standard letters.

Hope I am making sense, if not, my apologies

AnduinTryggva

Dr_Con wrote: »

it's a bit deceptive to gather all that feedback under "we need name police" then switch the title to a feature request topic.

I am not the author of that other topic and I don't know this person. This thread here was motivated by something else than what's the purpose of the other thread as far as I gather from the other thread. So please revise your presumptions.

AnduinTryggva

vibeborn wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

vibeborn wrote: »

LikiLoki wrote: »

vibeborn wrote: »

Standard localized letters depend on where the player is geographically. If the player is in Russia, then cyrilic letters is the standard there, if they are in China, then it's Chinese letters (do forgive me if Chines is not the right term)

So in my opinion it depends on where you are.

I do agree that it can be frustrating when you're trying to communicate with someone, and there's an alphabet/language barrier, but I don't think people should be denied from using their own country's alphabet.

Unless you of course means letters that are so alien that nobody knows what they mean

No, no. The ID must contain only the Latin alphabet and standard characters. Do you understand how many difficulties guild officers face who cannot interact normally with players who have hieroglyphs instead of standard symbols? Even simple names cause difficulties due to the similarity of the letters I(i) and l(L)
upd^ I'm not calling for banning other languages. I'm not talking about names. I'm talking about the main ID. I believe that a single standard and common symbols should work to create it.

I get where you're coming from in that regard, and to be completely honest I don't even know if I HAVE seen anyone in game with a non-latin letter in their ID(and I still consider Nordic/umlaut letters æ,ø,å,ö,ä latin letters)

But then if they banned non-latin letters in IDs, who says they can't ban non-latin letters in zone chat? I mean I could be called "something bad" in Russian, but there's no way I would be able to prove it, because I don't speak Russian) so as of things are now I can't report anyone who speaks bad to me in Russian

[...]

Alphabets other than latin based ones aren't allowed as UserIDs, but special characters not found on English keyboards are still possible, like æ,ø,å,ö,ä,ü and accents. ß may or may not be allowed, I am not sure on that one.
But who said anything about banning non-latin letters in zone chat? That is even more radical and discriminatory to ask for. To my understanding, the only reason non-latin letters are banned from UserIDs is because of coding and that the coding language used for ESO cannot deal with UserID inputs that aren't latin-based.
Also, yes you can report people who are talking to you in cyrilics or japanese or chinese or whatever. Just report it and trust that the system works. The people reviewing your report will have to deal with the issue of translating it. If no offense was found then there was no harm done by reporting them. It's definitely easier for moderators to copy text from their chatlogs than for us to do so ingame (although with the help of addons, you can).

Ah, okay, then it makes sense I haven't seen any IDs with non-latin letters
The part about zone chat was about if they deny one thing, what's to stop them from denying another (I know of course they won't do that, the thought just occurred to me, I agree that would be even more discriminatory and defeat the purpose of making the game available in those languages) also sometimes I mix the two things up, which I apologize for

As for reporting non-latin zone chat. I meant that someone could say Hello to you, but they could also say something less flattering, but now I realize that you can still do that in latin letters. I would just feel bad for reporting something well intentioned, but that's just me thinking the police or something will come if I do so lol

So bottom line for me is, if non-latin letters aren't already allowed, then I don't see the problem with the way things are now, as others have said there are ways to type the non a-z standard letters.

Hope I am making sense, if not, my apologies

I think the most straight forward solution is to allow interaction with user names in whatever interface they appear. Like you can right click on a user/player name in the chat one should be able to right-click it on interfaces like in that for ToT. Then I can live with whatever letter people think fit.

Galeriano

Well in some countries there are words where changing one letter from non standard one to standard one makes a big difference. I know one example where removing one non standard line changes word meaning from mercy to blow***.

Tra_Lalan

So basicaly your freedom to whisper a player during TOT match is more important than this players' freedom to use their native language with all its letters?

Really?
[snip]

[edited for baiting]

frogthroat

how about nö

frogthroat

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Just ask Hämähäkki who I am not going to tag again. Yes, that is their userID and that's perfectly valid.

As it should. Hämähäkki means "a spider" in Finnish. Hamahakki would be nonsensical. Hama would be an actual Finnish word, but it is old Finnish and not really in use. It would mean something extremely far away. Nowadays it's basically only used in the saying "hamassa tulevaisuudessa" -- "in the distant future". Hakki is not a Finnish word. Could, possibly, be interpreted as "a hack" and even that would be an Anglicism. So the only correct way to write a spider in Finnish is hämähäkki. Not hamahakki.

AnduinTryggva

Tra_Lalan wrote: »

So basicaly your freedom to whisper a player during TOT match is more important than this players' freedom to use their native language with all its letters?

Really?
[snip]

Do you realize how much you missed the evolution of the discussion? You're too late

[edited quote]

AnduinTryggva

I modified the title and text as some people just are triggered by the title and don't read through the thread while the discussion has long evolved away from the original topic.

frogthroat

Yes, now it's less inflammatory and proposes a solution that would add to the game instead of taking away something. And yes, that is a good suggestion.

Although... I think most, if not all of us use a standard keyboard. Maybe some people have custom keyboards, idk. Some just use a different standard than others. But I understand what you mean.