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Radiant Apex visuals gone too far

  • fizl101
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    I don't normally care about flashy or over the top mounts, but for some reason this one makes me feel a bit travel sick if someone races past me while they have the big black ball around them still.
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  • WiseSky
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    I am sucker for Flashy stuff I love it!

    I am just glad it's not Immersion Breaking, as "Immersion in my subjective, but my definition is: Immersed in the world while objects adheres to the lore.

    Here is a "Mount" from another MMO that is:

    A Snowman Pushing a Christmas Decoration and you, the char, is holding it back...

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    And here is some crazy stuff :D round 2 you get to ride in another mmo

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    Are the ESO mounts Flashy? Ofc

    Do they follow some sort of art direction and lore: sure

    At the end of the day I rather get blinded and get epilepsy by some mount animation, then have to endure playing a serious quests with one of those mounts as shown here running around me.
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    Saint-Ange wrote: »
    WIth ESO's server architecture maps are simulated by individual server processes, and overflow instances are created as needed based on the map population cap and some heuristics for the performance of the map, so why could not we get instances à la carte?
    • standard instance just as the game is now
    • classic instance just as the game originaly was without the flashy stuff, more grounded, more congruent
    • immersive instance including classic instance + disabling speed upgrades on foot or mounted for more natural animations
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    I bet they won't consider doing this. At the ESO Celebration AMA, they said they don't want to further separate the population. It came up when asked about overland.

    Toggle off the flashy stuff? Maybe, but then again, there is some developer work there and they could be reluctant to do work only for people to hide it. They may also like how this stuff appears in the game, even if some players do not.
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  • LunaFlora
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    WiseSky wrote: »
    I am sucker for Flashy stuff I love it!

    I am just glad it's not Immersion Breaking, as "Immersion in my subjective, but my definition is: Immersed in the world while objects adheres to the lore.

    Here is a "Mount" from another MMO that is:

    A Snowman Pushing a Christmas Decoration and you, the char, is holding it back...

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    And here is some crazy stuff :D round 2 you get to ride in another mmo

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    Are the ESO mounts Flashy? Ofc

    Do they follow some sort of art direction and lore: sure

    At the end of the day I rather get blinded and get epilepsy by some mount animation, then have to endure playing a serious quests with one of those mounts as shown here running around me.

    it's not fun when mounts physically hurt and it is not in any way worse than funny mounts in a completely unrelated game.
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  • Luth7
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    Elsonso wrote: »

    Toggle off the flashy stuff? Maybe, but then again, there is some developer work there and they could be reluctant to do work only for people to hide it. They may also like how this stuff appears in the game, even if some players do not.

    Giving players the possibility to hide certain FX from other players in certain situations was already implemented, so the point about wasted effort to create FX doesn't really work. And by that argument, a new addition to the game that turned out to be a bad idea could never be altered or removed (even if only per client), because it took effort to create it and it might hurt the creator's feelings (which i assume was meant here). The more you cater to the histrionic personalities in a group, the less professional it will become.

    I guess there is a client side database but in case there is not, there could be a simple list (eg .csv) in the client that is called when the option in the settings is checked. There would be no performance loss on the server (though high likely a gain on the client) and it should be possible for any client dev to do this in no time (no bureaucratic layers assumed ofc).
  • Hurbster
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    I must admit, I do wince a little when I see those effects close to my character, my eyes are not good with sudden changes in light levels (yes I have problems with the Deadlands as well, as in it's quite painful sometimes).

    I don't care that most of the mounts (IMO) look a bit silly anyway but we can't get a nicely-proportioned horsie, what I would like is an option to turn off other peoples flashy effects. That would be a nice QoL change for me.
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  • Muizer
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    I'm more concerned with ways in which players are allowed to misrepresent what gear they are wearing, like someone in full heavy armour appearing to wear a servants' outfit or people without helmets (and now shoulders) that actually are wearing them, or when someone appears to be carrying a battle axe, but it's actually a greatsword There's no accounting for taste I guess, so for me it's not about the visuals per se, but IMHO when it's misleading we should be able to toggle it off client side. And before anyone says there's nothing odd about these effects because it is a kind of illusion magic, if it is, then we can have anti-illusion magic too, so there.
    Please stop making requests for game features. ZOS have enough bad ideas as it is!
  • Beilin_Balreis_Colcan
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    Muizer wrote: »
    I'm more concerned with ways in which players are allowed to misrepresent what gear they are wearing, like someone in full heavy armour appearing to wear a servants' outfit or people without helmets (and now shoulders) that actually are wearing them, or when someone appears to be carrying a battle axe, but it's actually a greatsword There's no accounting for taste I guess, so for me it's not about the visuals per se, but IMHO when it's misleading we should be able to toggle it off client side. And before anyone says there's nothing odd about these effects because it is a kind of illusion magic, if it is, then we can have anti-illusion magic too, so there.
    The whole set/style system is based on making characters look like something they're not, and it's also very popular.
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    Muizer wrote: »
    I'm more concerned with ways in which players are allowed to misrepresent what gear they are wearing, like someone in full heavy armour appearing to wear a servants' outfit or people without helmets (and now shoulders) that actually are wearing them, or when someone appears to be carrying a battle axe, but it's actually a greatsword There's no accounting for taste I guess, so for me it's not about the visuals per se, but IMHO when it's misleading we should be able to toggle it off client side. And before anyone says there's nothing odd about these effects because it is a kind of illusion magic, if it is, then we can have anti-illusion magic too, so there.

    Is your concern pvp only? I can't see how it's an issue in pve.
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  • MattVH
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    I agree. It has gone mad. We went from a few red nightblade-themed swirls to 10000 voltage photostrobes flashing (lich steed) into actually summoning full blown harrowstorm tempests.

    I used to get annoyed because of art direction, now we are the point where its genuinly hurtful to people's eyes.

    It's those summoning visuals that should simply be toggle-able at this point.

    (And flying pets btw)
  • alternatelder
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    I was watching someone on their radiant apex mount ride through Rawl'kha the other day, the thing's after effects created a large, transparent bubble that looked like time and space were warping, creating a wormhole or something. Probably a big culprit of the poor performance.
    Edited by alternatelder on April 18, 2023 5:57PM
  • Eiagra
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    A toggle would be nice. Something that toggles the removal of flashy mount summons would be great.

    ...something that forces all other players mounts to be seen locally as a basic mount would be even better. That way the flashy people still get their flashies, but the people annoyed by them don't have to see it in any aspect whatsoever. Essentially, an "I don't care how much you paid for those racing stripes, I don't want to see it" button.
    Edited by Eiagra on April 18, 2023 5:17PM
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  • Bucky_13
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    [snip]... Hiding these kind of animations would be nice, it makes me less likely to get them with these animations.

    I would prefer more variety in mounts instead, it's just reskins that are escalating instead of new interesting mounts.

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    Edited by ZOS_Kraken on April 18, 2023 7:07PM
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    If this creature is in a bubble, why does it need feet?
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  • Kiyonami
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    Personally, I prefer standard horses and indriks. I also like the King Lion. They fit perfectly into the game world. The new apex mount would be the last one I would like to use, weird style, bright colors and acid animation simply kills my eyes.
    Edited by Kiyonami on April 18, 2023 6:42PM
  • twev
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    You could also craft in your home or go to a zone with nobody
    This is kind of logic like: "if your neighbour is disco fan who makes loud, flashy parties in his home in middle of night, you can just sell home and go live in the desert".

    I'm not fan of flashy or oversaturated cosmetics, but I can live with that. Even with limited options some people will dress their characters like power rangers, etc. so this is just effect of freedom of choices. That's fine. I can live with many of radiant apex, because their flashines fits into acceptable boundaries. But this abomination from first post is just too much. I was blinded with this animation for couple seconds - can't see and do nothing only because someone summons mount? And I'm the one who should banish yourself from most convienant place to make writs, because ZOS wants to sell some crown crates?

    It was always narration "It's only cosmetics, if you don't like it, don't buy it" and now it will be: "if you don't like being visually *** and blinded, just stay in your home and don't visit places with other players"? :D
    Maybe there could be a setting to turn down/off effects like these
    I'm afraid that this won't gonna happen. From psychological point of view, most (not all, but many) radiant apex owners wants and use these mount not because they ONLY like the visuals, but mostly they want to feel more special, more premium, more distinguishued from other players. Whole reason of "boom effect" is to blow up in face of other "peasants" who can't afford this type of mounts. You can see this in real life, where most of rich people wants other people to see how rich they are. This just how most humans minds works and this thing is exploited to sell radiants, especially that this is very costly, premium product for niche players with a lot of cash. So ZOS can't implement this option, because many of these player will feel cheated, because they pay a lot of money not to see for this mount only by yourself - they need and want other to watch at them.

    And this is exactly like in real life - common people have to pay cost of rich people "having fun", like with for example you should take care of your carbon limits and travel less, because rich people with their jets push these limits too much. And now even in game I should "hide in home", because someone else wants to boom in my face with his overpriced mount :D
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  • Kirawolfe
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    *shuffles awkwardly* I actually think these mounts are cool. XD

    I have more issue with people assassinating NPCs near me than folks mounting a harrowstorm-calamity-bear or void-ball-spider-legs-chonk-beast. The first is distressing, the second (mounts) are just hilarious.
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    I don't think anyone is advocating for outright removal or hard revision of the existing mounts. I think most folks just want a simple toggle that would allow you to hide other players mounts VFX. Just hiding other VFX in general would be appreciated as some of the flashier animations from sets and ultimates can cause some real issues for people with sensitive vision.

    Just let us toggle these things off and folks would be fine. You can have your cake, and I can have my pie and we'll all be fine, just stop dropping your cake all over my plate.

    pie is better thank cake tho :)
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    Shagreth wrote: »
    WiseSky wrote: »
    Umm I think you have to see what other mmos have to offer before you say "immersion breaking"


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    So just because other games have turned into circuses -- ESO has to as well? Elder Scrolls games have a certain aesthetic and vibe to them, which at this point you rarely get to experience in ESO, the reasons are many, and mounts like this is definitely one of them. And you see them quite often after the introduction of the endeavor system.

    Last time I checked the devs cared immensely about the lore, the legacy & look of ES etc. I can't really see it sometimes, hope I'm not being unfair with this criticism. @ZOS_GinaBruno This was emphasized in the latest stream.
    Totally agree, now I say WOW can get away with crazier stuff then ESO because art styles and game environment.
    As for the Radiant Apex well have roll dodged or streaked away from resource flags so many times some use them.
    All the noise and lighting and bomber is the first reaction.
    Grinding just make you go in circles.
    Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.
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    Jaimeh wrote: »
    I like some of the flashy radiants, for the most part they are not too visually distracting, but I agree that the new mount with the Vateshran effects is a step too far, and the effect is too strong and intrusive. It worries me because the Arcanist skills are in the same vein, and I wonder if this is a new direction the Art team is going. Besides the visual clutter, which in any case is an individual preference, it also feels a bit out of place in the game.

    This is kind of where I am at. Are they going to lean to heavy on flashy stuff and begin slacking on content? Like how a movie with no plot goes overboard on the visual effects to try and make up the difference.
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    kargen27 wrote: »
    Jaimeh wrote: »
    I like some of the flashy radiants, for the most part they are not too visually distracting, but I agree that the new mount with the Vateshran effects is a step too far, and the effect is too strong and intrusive. It worries me because the Arcanist skills are in the same vein, and I wonder if this is a new direction the Art team is going. Besides the visual clutter, which in any case is an individual preference, it also feels a bit out of place in the game.

    This is kind of where I am at. Are they going to lean to heavy on flashy stuff and begin slacking on content? Like how a movie with no plot goes overboard on the visual effects to try and make up the difference.
    This, kind of getting bored of action movies as they became to predictable 20 years ago.
    Then stuff grabbed the idiot ball hard and got order of magnitudes worse as in political or why is it nothing I bother to pirate.
    Just watching random *** on YouTube is easier and more entertaining.
    Grinding just make you go in circles.
    Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.
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    CGPsaint wrote: »
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    I always imagined Elder Scrolls being a more grounded fantasy world, as opposed to worlds like Final Fantasy and Aion /etc. that were more flashy and high fantasy.

    A lot of the upper tier crown cosmetics are visual clutter and I find them personally unappealing. I even have a few apex mounts but the Roleplayer in me stopped using them because it just seemed like nonsense to be riding them.

    Edit: Typo

    The Wailing Shackler Wolf is a great radiant apex mount. It's not super flashy and has just the right amount of pizzazz. Holding A (on Xbox) makes runes float around you! Squeeeeeeeee!

    I have this guy. I love him, ride him tons. He's one of what I call my "soft radiants"--not too loud or bright.
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    The Indigo Senche-Panther is the best designed senche mount in my opinion. It is subtle, beautiful, and just unique enough to set itself apart from the standard black senche but also just as immersive as the other senche.
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    Finedaible wrote: »
    The Indigo Senche-Panther is the best designed senche mount in my opinion. It is subtle, beautiful, and just unique enough to set itself apart from the standard black senche but also just as immersive as the other senche.

    Yup - I use mine a lot! I'd love to get one each on PC NA and PC EU on my new account. But haven't seen them available for a long time....
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  • rpa
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    I guess proper horse anatomy and animation is harder and significantlly more expensive than explosiond and particles. I do not use horses because they look broken to me (and I also prefer a smaller mount).
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    Ok this summoning animation is a bit too much. But on the other hand all of ESO combat, skills, ults, world events are also flashy in similar style. The more powerful magic is used in Tamriel, the greater visual effects it produces. So I feel like a radiant apex can do some visuals too, as it is rather hard to aquire.
  • Marcus684
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    I get that ZOS needs to add flashy stuff to attract players in a world full of flashy games, but a toggle or slider to reduce the effects for other players would be a nice compromise. The big green glowy ball for the welwa is straight up obnoxious.
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