Radiant Apex visuals gone too far

colossalvoids

As much as some of them might annoy me I'm pretty sure those are made with "look at me NOW" in mind, generally speaking it's an advertisement piece worked into the mount for other to pursue so no disable option would come in this exact case. Same as some people requested "lore friendly" switch while technically everything is lore friendly already, but not up to someone's taste.

Varana

I'm generally okay with the mounts themselves. Some look cool, many look ridiculous, but I'm not too bothered with that.

A major annoyance are the overly flashy summoning animations, though. They're not just cosmetics, they're impeding other people's gameplay - be it by blinding them at a station, blocking their view, startling them in Cyrodiil, or just generally adding noise to the environment. Those I would like to have taken away from the game. Or at least only show to the owner.

And these two need not be connected. We can have shiny mounts without summoning animations that make you think that Jesus comes back.

LunaFlora

i hate so many mounts because of the big bright loud effects. like the harrowstorm bear and the new harrow durzog and really all of the storm atronach mounts are painful with the staticy effects

though i don't hate them from how they might break lore which is not really that concerning.

Animar111

I love the fx they tie in perfect with the game.

Spell weaving, mages, and now black book incarnations with this new chapter.

Like Freddy Mercury once said.

“ITS A KIND OF MAGIC”

emilyhyoyeon

There's only a couple mounts I've seen so far with undeniably intrusive summoning effects and the new welwa takes the cake. It's so bad I was surprised when I saw it even for the usual standard of radiant mounts.

In most cases, I don't like the be a person who says X is out of place because someone's OC and headcanon is theirs and I like to assume it's always in good faith. Like, one of my main characters uses a spectral horse because she's a conjuror and summons spirits so her canon mount has always been a ghost. Her ESO mount doesn't have a summoning animation and is relatively tame overall but it's still a ghost, but some people might find a ghost mount too flashy and out of place. I'd be pretty sad if she couldn't have a ghost mount.

That being said, this welwa is ridiculous and I don't think an option to hide mount effects/summoning effects would restrict somone's OC canon.

olsborg

Very much agree! Tone down pls

BloodyStigmata

You're playing an MMO. Your immersion was doomed from the start.

PrincessOfThieves

Yeah I really wish it was possible to turn off these effects. It's especially obnoxious when the owners of the new apex mounts are trying to show off in the crafting area in Vivec. The new spider welwa in particular is headache-inducing.
At least they should make it so the summoning animation only plays when the mount is summoned, and not every time you get close to one of them.

BloodyStigmata wrote: »

You're playing an MMO. Your immersion was doomed from the start.

It's not even about immersion, constant bright flashes are obnoxious and can cause headaches.

Supreme_Atromancer

I think some insight can be gained just looking at how they advertise: the alternate port or harvesting animations, for instance- it has the user in the foreground with the tiny plebs standing in the background using their basic ones looking on in awe. Its a very specific drive they're targeting.

Aesthetic integrity and tone are major selling points of the IP. OTOH, they must believe there's a market for people who couldn't really give a crap about any of that, and want to command attention or envy, and theoretically, that's substantial revenue.

Not trying to "holier than thou" anyone, either- everyone's got their vices. Just calling it for what it is.

LunaFlora

Supreme_Atromancer wrote: »

I think some insight can be gained just looking at how they advertise: the alternate port or harvesting animations, for instance- it has the user in the foreground with the tiny plebs standing in the background using their basic ones looking on in awe. Its a very specific drive they're targeting.

i just see that as a comparison of the new animation and the default animation to show the difference

olsborg

BloodyStigmata wrote: »

You're playing an MMO. Your immersion was doomed from the start.

For me its just the fact that its ugly. Simple.

Dragonnord

Luke_Flamesword wrote: »

First Radiant Apex's mounts were just flashy, which was distracting and immersion breaking enough, but know we are achieveing new levels of visual litter with newest crown crates. I was doing my writs in and than my WHOLE screen was flashed with this wild, agressive animation (with of course loud sound effects) for couple seconds only because some player mounted in front of me. It's so big that he wasn't even in the same spot as me, just close to my character but it was enough to cover my whole vision for couple seconds. I didn't make a screen at the time, but I made preview screen to show it looked for me:



How far it will go? Do you really need to make big, long, loud and flashy animations just to sell more crates? How much of this visual litter we need before whole game will be unplayable in some areas, with dozens of this effects? It's getting worse with every year and with couple more iterations of apex like this, it will be really bad. You can make awesome looking mounts without all of these effect [snip]

Eh, microtransaction kill visuals of so many games, it's just sad...

[edited for minor bashing]

OP, at least be fair with your presentation. You have a cropped screenshot to make it look it takes all screen, you are zoomed in and you are even in the Radiant Apex selection screen (since we see the "Stamina, Speed, and Inventory" text and arrows.

In a regular situation, not theatrical exaggerated as you make it look, those effect don't cover all the screen at all and I have ZERO prolems when other players mount their Apex near me.
 

PDarkBHood

Nope, the Radiant Apex visuals have not gone too far at all. Keep them coming and I will buy tons of crates (waiting for gifting to return before I continue to buy crates, but that is a different story). Remember, no out of this world Radiant Apex visuals, no crates; I will not spend any money on half-backed Radiant Apex visuals.

Shagreth

WiseSky wrote: »

Umm I think you have to see what other mmos have to offer before you say "immersion breaking"

So just because other games have turned into circuses -- ESO has to as well? Elder Scrolls games have a certain aesthetic and vibe to them, which at this point you rarely get to experience in ESO, the reasons are many, and mounts like this is definitely one of them. And you see them quite often after the introduction of the endeavor system.

Last time I checked the devs cared immensely about the lore, the legacy & look of ES etc. I can't really see it sometimes, hope I'm not being unfair with this criticism. @ZOS_GinaBruno This was emphasized in the latest stream.

KlauthWarthog

Well, my actual opinion on this subject would get me banned from the forums, so here is the SFW version...
Some people just love to inflict themselves on others. This is one of the expensive ways to do so, while others settle for throwing mudballs.

BloodyStigmata

PrincessOfThieves wrote: »

It's not even about immersion, constant bright flashes are obnoxious and can cause headaches.

I can agree with that perspective--an option to turn off the visuals and just have the mount appear wouldn't be unreasonable in that regard, especially if they're only going to get more flashy and possibly seizure-inducing from here on out.

CrashTest

Is THAT what that annoying thing is? I've been randomly seeing this eyesore and I assumed it must be crown store bait because it's so flashy, but I'm so blinded by it that I wasn't really sure what just happened.

Luke_Flamesword

OP, at least be fair with your presentation. You have a cropped screenshot to make it look it takes all screen, you are zoomed in and you are even in the Radiant Apex selection screen (since we see the "Stamina, Speed, and Inventory" text and arrows

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I wrote down that I didn't take a screen, so this is only "simulation". In game it depends where is your camera compared to mount position. With such a big animation is quit easy to cover whole or almost whole screen with right positioning. It's same thing with sorc pet, when flapping wings cover big part of screen and I have to move out, because it makes me feel uncomfortable - and these wings are much smaller than this animation.

Don't tell me that you didn't see many times scenes like this one, when most of your vision is covered by someones pet:


I don't know how it looks from technical point of view, but maybe a solution would be to disable view of pets or these animations when they are to close to your camera position? I saw in some games this type of solution, when objects dissapearing when they block the view. It would be probably the best solution to all of us.

AzuraFan

chessalavakia_ESO wrote: »

Are the people buying the flashy mounts doing it primarily because they like how they look themselves or primarily because they want to stand out to other people?

If it's the former, having an option to turn the effects down or off could work out.

If it's the latter, having an option for others to hide the effects or turn them down is going to hurt the appeal to the people buying them.

They added a toggle to hide non-combat pets in certain areas (I believe). People buy those to stand out too. Anyway, I think not negatively affecting the experience of other players should trump the "look at me" motivation of some players.

Kaelthorn_Nightbloom

Here's what it looks like without the cropping.



Entire screen not filled. Only most of it

LunaFlora

AzuraFan wrote: »

chessalavakia_ESO wrote: »

Are the people buying the flashy mounts doing it primarily because they like how they look themselves or primarily because they want to stand out to other people?

If it's the former, having an option to turn the effects down or off could work out.

If it's the latter, having an option for others to hide the effects or turn them down is going to hurt the appeal to the people buying them.

They added a toggle to hide non-combat pets in certain areas (I believe). People buy those to stand out too. Anyway, I think not negatively affecting the experience of other players should trump the "look at me" motivation of some players.

the toggle is for combat pets not non combat pets sadly

Luke_Flamesword

Here's what it looks like without the cropping.

There is some distance from camera. You can be much closer and very close encounters are not so rare in areas like writs area, where are many players in same spot. And even in that distance this is still quite big thing - we can see how much space in ground it covers. You can put dozen of players in this bubble and there still be same space for more

SaffronCitrusflower

Luke_Flamesword wrote: »

First Radiant Apex's mounts were just flashy, which was distracting and immersion breaking enough, but know we are achieveing new levels of visual litter with newest crown crates. I was doing my writs in and than my WHOLE screen was flashed with this wild, agressive animation (with of course loud sound effects) for couple seconds only because some player mounted in front of me. It's so big that he wasn't even in the same spot as me, just close to my character but it was enough to cover my whole vision for couple seconds. I didn't make a screen at the time, but I made preview screen to show it looked for me:



How far it will go? Do you really need to make big, long, loud and flashy animations just to sell more crates? How much of this visual litter we need before whole game will be unplayable in some areas, with dozens of this effects? It's getting worse with every year and with couple more iterations of apex like this, it will be really bad. You can make awesome looking mounts without all of these effect [snip]

Eh, microtransaction kill visuals of so many games, it's just sad...

[edited for minor bashing]

I agree completely. It's been years since I purchased a radiant mount because they are too colorful with too much animation. Also, many of them are way too loud when you summon them or have huge beams or effects that take up your whole computer screen.

I only buy mounts that summon silently and look relatively normal.

Dem_kitkats1

Eh, like pets, the visuals don't really impede my vision unless I'm standing right beside them. Also, some people like flashy. I think policing people's tastes is a bit silly. The last crates really weren't that over the top in terms of effects, so they're not only pushing flashiness, but trying to include everyone's tastes, which is pretty much impossible. The Apex mounts are also usually much more subtle in terms visual effects.

Luke_Flamesword wrote: »

I'm afraid that this won't gonna happen. From psychological point of view, most (not all, but many) radiant apex owners wants and use these mount not because they ONLY like the visuals, but mostly they want to feel more special, more premium, more distinguishued from other players. Whole reason of "boom effect" is to blow up in face of other "peasants" who can't afford this type of mounts. You can see this in real life, where most of rich people wants other people to see how rich they are. This just how most humans minds works and this thing is exploited to sell radiants, especially that this is very costly, premium product for niche players with a lot of cash. So ZOS can't implement this option, because many of these player will feel cheated, because they pay a lot of money not to see for this mount only by yourself - they need and want other to watch at them.

Personally, I am someone who enjoys flashier animations, and grinded hours of endeavors to obtain the styles that I enjoy more. It's not a matter of I have money and want to show off to people, It's simply what I like. I think it's unfair to judge someone whose preference is different than yours with a broad stroke whether it be flashy or plain. We all pay money for this game.

Snamyap

Dem_kitkats1 wrote: »

Eh, like pets, the visuals don't really impede my vision unless I'm standing right beside them. Also, some people like flashy. I think policing people's tastes is a bit silly. The last crates really weren't that over the top in terms of effects, so they're not only pushing flashiness, but trying to include everyone's tastes, which is pretty much impossible. The Apex mounts are also usually much more subtle in terms visual effects.

Luke_Flamesword wrote: »

I'm afraid that this won't gonna happen. From psychological point of view, most (not all, but many) radiant apex owners wants and use these mount not because they ONLY like the visuals, but mostly they want to feel more special, more premium, more distinguishued from other players. Whole reason of "boom effect" is to blow up in face of other "peasants" who can't afford this type of mounts. You can see this in real life, where most of rich people wants other people to see how rich they are. This just how most humans minds works and this thing is exploited to sell radiants, especially that this is very costly, premium product for niche players with a lot of cash. So ZOS can't implement this option, because many of these player will feel cheated, because they pay a lot of money not to see for this mount only by yourself - they need and want other to watch at them.

Personally, I am someone who enjoys flashier animations, and grinded hours of endeavors to obtain the styles that I enjoy more. It's not a matter of I have money and want to show off to people, It's simply what I like. I think it's unfair to judge someone whose preference is different than yours with a broad stroke whether it be flashy or plain. We all pay money for this game.

Then you should have no objections to a toggle so other people don't have to look at it, thanks for your support! 😉

Shihp00

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PDarkBHood wrote: »

Nope, the Radiant Apex visuals have not gone too far at all. Keep them coming and I will buy tons of crates (waiting for gifting to return before I continue to buy crates, but that is a different story). Remember, no out of this world Radiant Apex visuals, no crates; I will not spend any money on half-backed Radiant Apex visuals.

believe it or not, more than half the playerbase would agree with this statement.
Most eso addicts i've met don't care about "immersion" and don't have any forum accounts or even bother participating in any of these "discussions" (same guys who breathe/supports the game and would spend endless money on it dgaf about lore).

People here forget that the forums does not represent the entire playerbase (id say less than 5% L0L), if it did I wouldn't be seeing the same 20 names on every post

Dem_kitkats1

Snamyap wrote: »

Dem_kitkats1 wrote: »

Eh, like pets, the visuals don't really impede my vision unless I'm standing right beside them. Also, some people like flashy. I think policing people's tastes is a bit silly. The last crates really weren't that over the top in terms of effects, so they're not only pushing flashiness, but trying to include everyone's tastes, which is pretty much impossible. The Apex mounts are also usually much more subtle in terms visual effects.

Luke_Flamesword wrote: »

I'm afraid that this won't gonna happen. From psychological point of view, most (not all, but many) radiant apex owners wants and use these mount not because they ONLY like the visuals, but mostly they want to feel more special, more premium, more distinguishued from other players. Whole reason of "boom effect" is to blow up in face of other "peasants" who can't afford this type of mounts. You can see this in real life, where most of rich people wants other people to see how rich they are. This just how most humans minds works and this thing is exploited to sell radiants, especially that this is very costly, premium product for niche players with a lot of cash. So ZOS can't implement this option, because many of these player will feel cheated, because they pay a lot of money not to see for this mount only by yourself - they need and want other to watch at them.

Personally, I am someone who enjoys flashier animations, and grinded hours of endeavors to obtain the styles that I enjoy more. It's not a matter of I have money and want to show off to people, It's simply what I like. I think it's unfair to judge someone whose preference is different than yours with a broad stroke whether it be flashy or plain. We all pay money for this game.

Then you should have no objections to a toggle so other people don't have to look at it, thanks for your support! 😉

Did I say i disagree with that? lol Not the point of my post

Elsonso

BloodyStigmata wrote: »

You're playing an MMO. Your immersion was doomed from the start.

Injured, definitely... Doomed? Not a given. They could have shown restraint in how they do visuals in the game, and which things they chose so they could monetize them, or maybe more appropriately, what they chose _not_ to do, whether or not it was monetized.

However, "restraint" does not sell, and ESO has an expensive store where people demand more than just a simple reskin.

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

Here's what it looks like without the cropping.

I find this mount to be rather obnoxious, actually. I will certainly be the last to complain if they stop doing stuff like this.

Finedaible

yeah, that newest Voidmother's Welwa mount in particular is an incredible eye sore whenever someone pulls it out. It's as if whoever designed the mini-harrowstorm on the Curse-bound Senche-raht Darkfang thought the effects were not obnoxious enough and decided to go full ham on the effects.

AndreNoir

I have a problem with only one of them - Meridian blinding horse with a ball in a rider's hand