Radiant Apex visuals gone too far

Luke_Flamesword

First Radiant Apex's mounts were just flashy, which was distracting and immersion breaking enough, but know we are achieveing new levels of visual litter with newest crown crates. I was doing my writs in and than my WHOLE screen was flashed with this wild, agressive animation (with of course loud sound effects) for couple seconds only because some player mounted in front of me. It's so big that he wasn't even in the same spot as me, just close to my character but it was enough to cover my whole vision for couple seconds. I didn't make a screen at the time, but I made preview screen to show it looked for me:



How far it will go? Do you really need to make big, long, loud and flashy animations just to sell more crates? How much of this visual litter we need before whole game will be unplayable in some areas, with dozens of this effects? It's getting worse with every year and with couple more iterations of apex like this, it will be really bad. You can make awesome looking mounts without all of these effect [snip]

Eh, microtransaction kill visuals of so many games, it's just sad...

[edited for minor bashing]

AScarlato

I always imagined Elder Scrolls being a more grounded fantasy world, as opposed to worlds like Final Fantasy and Aion /etc. that were more flashy and high fantasy.

A lot of the upper tier crown cosmetics are visual clutter and I find them personally unappealing. I even have a few apex mounts but the Roleplayer in me stopped using them because it just seemed like nonsense to be riding them.

Edit: Typo

vsrs_au

Same here. I got the nascent indrik mount, and I'm staying with it and not getting any of its morphs, because this mount looks natural and beautiful, and needs no improvement. I've also had my vision cluttered by these excessively bright and noisy animations. These, and the constant wing-flapping of twilights, are definitely impacting my enjoyment of the game.

Aislinna

BaalMelqartu

I respect that this is an annoying thing for y'all. For me personally, there are SO many things that need addressing that this is so far down the list. Plus, I have been saving up seals of endeavors for over a year just to finally get one radiant apex mount and then I come across posts like this that make me feel like no matter the goal I strive for, there are people wanting that one taken away too. I get a little tired of people thinking the game should change for their personal aesthetics when accomplishing that for 100% of people is absolutely impossible. Sometimes, compromise or acceptance is the route and this is such a small thing that it seems pretty easy to let go to me. Kind of a "pick your battles" deal.

That being said, I 100% completely agree about "flappy" the sorc pet. When you're grouped with someone using it or using it yourself, it's there being annoying 100% of the time, not just when you're mount riding.

I reiterate that I respect your opinions on the matter. I just wanted to address my view of the scenario as it is quite different.

TaSheen

BaalMelqartu wrote: »

I respect that this is an annoying thing for y'all. For me personally, there are SO many things that need addressing that this is so far down the list. Plus, I have been saving up seals of endeavors for over a year just to finally get one radiant apex mount and then I come across posts like this that make me feel like no matter the goal I strive for, there are people wanting that one taken away too. I get a little tired of people thinking the game should change for their personal aesthetics when accomplishing that for 100% of people is absolutely impossible. Sometimes, compromise or acceptance is the route and this is such a small thing that it seems pretty easy to let go to me. Kind of a "pick your battles" deal.

That being said, I 100% completely agree about "flappy" the sorc pet. When you're grouped with someone using it or using it yourself, it's there being annoying 100% of the time, not just when you're mount riding.

I reiterate that I respect your opinions on the matter. I just wanted to address my view of the scenario as it is quite different.

Agreed. I don't want the mount in the OP's post (eww), but I love my indriks (I don't have them all - I don't like yellow, red, + green, or "spectral") but I'm REALLY happy I can work toward getting the ones I like best on all my accounts now. Next up on my newest account: the Gloambound one, for both PC NA and EU.

Other than the indriks, I don't have "flash mounts". They don't bother me particularly, I just don't like any of them.

AzuraFan

Maybe there could be a setting to turn down/off effects like these. That way, players who want to see the effects can, and those who don't can turn them down/off. I think this has been asked for before (by players who are adversely affected by flashing lights) and has been ignored, but now that they'll be focusing more on QoL, perhaps it can be considered.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

We see this with more than just the radiant apex mounts. Even the monster arms packs, and the new coming Arcanist class shows it.

There seem to be little sense of subtle or that less is more. Nope, just more effects. More glow, more flashes, more colours that doesn't match the world, more sounds, more effects of all kinds. More more more.

Which sticks out to me. Like @AScarlato, so have Elder Scrolls always felt rather grounded to me. Not to the level of the grim and gritty low fantasy, it's always felt rather high fantasy with plenty of magical and fantastic traits, sometimes even feeling a bit sci-fi on occasion. But even with those traits it was sensible and not very in your face.

AcadianPaladin

I'm pretty good at ignoring bad fashion, characters that glow in the dark and such but it is hard to ignore mounts that go 'boom' and explode in your face when someone summons them.

chessalavakia_ESO

Are the people buying the flashy mounts doing it primarily because they like how they look themselves or primarily because they want to stand out to other people?

If it's the former, having an option to turn the effects down or off could work out.

If it's the latter, having an option for others to hide the effects or turn them down is going to hurt the appeal to the people buying them.

Further, you've got the question of how popular the flashy mounts are.

It seems like more and more games are swapping to flashy visuals

It's possible those of us that don't like them like myself are simply old/out of touch and the majority like it and development time shouldn't be wasted on us in this regard.

Ashryn

I agree with the OP and had this EXACT same experience today with that mount at a wayshrine! It is truly obnoxious!

Juju_beans

I've had to lower my video settings because so many do it in the big cities...I lagged out so bad

SirLeeMinion

I have to agree, OP. Up to this point, I've thought many of the radiant mounts were fun. But, this one is too big, too bright, for too long.

I'd like a toggle to turn of other's mount effects.

Shagreth

It's beyond ridiculous and sad, but yeah, for me it started with certain skins and dye colors many years back, then some outfits (i.e. a certain towel) then ESO quickly turned into a freakshow. It bothers me because Elder Scrolls follows a certain aesthetic that has completely broken. I guess ESO being an mmo - it was inevitable to happen, expressing ourselves and all that jazz. But please consider people's feedback on this, and again, moving forward we hope to see nice earnable stuff, the nix-ox in Necrom is a decent start.

@ZOS_Kevin

CGPsaint

AScarlato wrote: »

I always imagined Elder Scrolls being a more grounded fantasy world, as opposed to worlds like Final Fantasy and Aion /etc. that were more flashy and high fantasy.

A lot of the upper tier crown cosmetics are visual clutter and I find them personally unappealing. I even have a few apex mounts but the Roleplayer in me stopped using them because it just seemed like nonsense to be riding them.

Edit: Typo

The Wailing Shackler Wolf is a great radiant apex mount. It's not super flashy and has just the right amount of pizzazz. Holding A (on Xbox) makes runes float around you! Squeeeeeeeee!

LukosCreyden

vsrs_au wrote: »

Same here. I got the nascent indrik mount, and I'm staying with it and not getting any of its morphs, because this mount looks natural and beautiful, and needs no improvement. I've also had my vision cluttered by these excessively bright and noisy animations. These, and the constant wing-flapping of twilights, are definitely impacting my enjoyment of the game.

Twilights and sorc pets in general are just awful all round. Killed one of my favourite classes (no-pet sorc). They look hideous and they suck to use.

As for glowy mounts, I like more subtle glows, like the dromathra mounts or the vale senche, as opposed to the violent explosions of light, color and sound we often get. It is ironic that the truly rare mounts are the NORMAL and grounded looking ones lol.

Shihp00

i still get mini heart attacks from the Cursebound senche-raht

James-Wayne

I never seen that many in a zone at any given time, maybe 3 at most when they first come out and then you see nothing for a few months so I think its ok personally.

You could also craft in your home or go to a zone with nobody

WiseSky

Umm I think you have to see what other mmos have to offer before you say "immersion breaking"

TaSheen

Yeah.... I have friends who play both Tera and FF - always pushing at me to play. I'm like.... Um not only NO but HELL NO.

Nestor

I have some Apex mounts but dont use them because the Mounting Animation is distracting, annoying and takes more time. Riding them is fine. So, if we could toggle the mounting animation I would.

AScarlato

WiseSky wrote: »

Umm I think you have to see what other mmos have to offer before you say "immersion breaking"

Other games having worse doesn’t make it okay for this setting.

Snamyap

I love welwas, I pleaded for welwa mounts and was happy when they added them, even if I'm not too fond of the heavy weight riding animations. I got the other two. But I'm really on the fence with this one. I got the endeavour points, but those spider legs and indeed that summoning animation, it's all really overdone.

Jaraal

AzuraFan wrote: »

Maybe there could be a setting to turn down/off effects like these. That way, players who want to see the effects can, and those who don't can turn them down/off. I think this has been asked for before (by players who are adversely affected by flashing lights) and has been ignored, but now that they'll be focusing more on QoL, perhaps it can be considered.

Yeah, they have settings to hide pets and companions in cities.... no reason they can't add a 'hide radiant apex effect' toggle as well. Personally, I don't mind most of the flashy effects, but I think there's nothing wrong with making them optional for those who either don't like seeing them or are injured by visual overstimulation.

ArchMikem

We really need a "Disable Mount Visual Effects" setting. Another QoL suggestion to toss onto the pile.

Elsonso

AScarlato wrote: »

I always imagined Elder Scrolls being a more grounded fantasy world, as opposed to worlds like Final Fantasy and Aion /etc. that were more flashy and high fantasy.

Elder Scrolls is not without some flashy stuff, but yes, I agree that things are just escalating. Each new mount has to outdo the ones that came before it.

I consider them to be the MMO part of the game, not the Elder Scrolls part of the game. I just classify it as part of the required monetization for the revenue model they chose, and not something that really represents Elder Scrolls.

Lady_Galadhiel

I was talking with a friend about this the other day, he couldn't understand how I could possibly dislike this mount.
For me these radiant apex, followed by the Nightfall ones and close third the ayleid ones, are the worst with summoning effects.

Ilumia

It seems like the flashy, noisy, attention demanding stuff has become more and more over the top over time. And to ne it is very immersive breaking and annoying. But thankfully it seems most players do not look like that or use these mounts all the time. Otherwise I'd not be able to stand the game.

OldStygian

ArchMikem wrote: »

We really need a "Disable Mount Visual Effects" setting. Another QoL suggestion to toss onto the pile.

This, a thousand times, this.

tomfant

Fully agree. Some are just over the top. Not only immersion breaking, but also dangerous for people sensitive to flashy animations.

I'd welcome an option in the game settings to turn these animations off.

Luke_Flamesword

You could also craft in your home or go to a zone with nobody

This is kind of logic like: "if your neighbour is disco fan who makes loud, flashy parties in his home in middle of night, you can just sell home and go live in the desert".

I'm not fan of flashy or oversaturated cosmetics, but I can live with that. Even with limited options some people will dress their characters like power rangers, etc. so this is just effect of freedom of choices. That's fine. I can live with many of radiant apex, because their flashines fits into acceptable boundaries. But this abomination from first post is just too much. I was blinded with this animation for couple seconds - can't see and do nothing only because someone summons mount? And I'm the one who should banish yourself from most convienant place to make writs, because ZOS wants to sell some crown crates?

It was always narration "It's only cosmetics, if you don't like it, don't buy it" and now it will be: "if you don't like being visually *** and blinded, just stay in your home and don't visit places with other players"?

Maybe there could be a setting to turn down/off effects like these

I'm afraid that this won't gonna happen. From psychological point of view, most (not all, but many) radiant apex owners wants and use these mount not because they ONLY like the visuals, but mostly they want to feel more special, more premium, more distinguishued from other players. Whole reason of "boom effect" is to blow up in face of other "peasants" who can't afford this type of mounts. You can see this in real life, where most of rich people wants other people to see how rich they are. This just how most humans minds works and this thing is exploited to sell radiants, especially that this is very costly, premium product for niche players with a lot of cash. So ZOS can't implement this option, because many of these player will feel cheated, because they pay a lot of money not to see for this mount only by yourself - they need and want other to watch at them.

And this is exactly like in real life - common people have to pay cost of rich people "having fun", like with for example you should take care of your carbon limits and travel less, because rich people with their jets push these limits too much. And now even in game I should "hide in home", because someone else wants to boom in my face with his overpriced mount