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Who do you think you are?
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andrewgriesser_ESOSoul ShrivenPeople are funny. Complaining about people wanting to play with others that actually pull their own weight...wow. Build however you want, but if you can't perform the duties of your role, gtfo. Pretty simple standard that is followed by every game, and should be followed in the real world as well.
Now, if the issue is that they don't even give people a chance to stab some things before demanding a build/item link, then they are in the wrong. Those "Best Builds" come through testing and number crunching. You have to try some weird combos to provide enough data. With constant tweaks to the game itself there will always be another "viable" build that hasn't been thought of.2 -
Eew, the DPS add-ons have arrived? Uch... *barf*
Like those weren't annoying enough in WoW
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Vhalkyrie✭✭✭The only reasons I boot people from my group are if:
1) They are loot hogs and refuse to abide by chest sharing rules.
2) Criticizing other members of the group. There are respectful ways of offering tips on improving group success.
Having a bad player is annoying, but in most cases a little guidance smooths things out. As long as they have a good attitude, we'll make it through.
I haven't run across anyone asking me to link my equipment, but if I did, I would just leave the group. There are plenty of people who need to run the dungeon instances, and I can find another.Edited by Vhalkyrie on May 5, 2014 3:06PM3 -
Harkrider✭✭✭UniscornScarebear wrote: »Eew, the DPS add-ons have arrived? Uch... *barf*
Like those weren't annoying enough in WoW
No. You cannot collect that information for other players.
ESO's API does not allow for it.
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concobar✭✭✭I am the Hotstepper, I'm the lyrical gangsta.I will still look across the lands from my perch at Arrius, Nerf or no I will still be the Night. I may not be the hero Ebonheart Pact wanted but I will be the hero Ebonheart pact deserves.1 -
I agree about dps meters and gear checking they tend to make runs a miserable experience for a lot of people. Look, folks, it's a GAME. The OPer was absolutely right in that the gaming community has changed a heck of a lot in the past ten years or so. Rarely do people stop and help when you are battling a group never mind actually talk to one another. Most of the time I have to shut zone chat off because the level of vulgarity and nastiness in there... what happened to just talking to one another?
re: elitism. I don't know about y'all but I saw it rearing it's ugly head in the first week. NO one is an expert on this game yet. How can you be? It's barely been out for a month. Chill and let everyone else enjoy the game.1 -
YourNameHere✭✭✭MMOs have become a min/max game for so so many. And that is fine for them.
All I can tell you, hun, is get people who play like you do. It's hard. Find a guild if you haven't already.
And yes, I have run into people who parse. Those who scream and yell when I wasn't playing THEIR way. When I was in FF14, I made it to a level 50 Gladiator/Paladin. I enjoyed taking my time and doing things. But my guild would have nothing of it. They called me 'lazy' and said I was 'playing the game wrong' just because I wasn't grinding dungeons every day like THEY were.
I left there. I agree with you that no one should tell me what I should be doing with my game. But yet, if groups only want those in specific gear or skills, that is also their choice. Who here has played EQ or EQ2 when calls in level chat ask for level 95 with 320 AA and full raid gear? It's going to happen.
I hope you can still enjoy the game, because there is so much more to TESO than just the dungeons.NA Megaserver / RPer
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✭✭Thechemicals wrote: »If i dont want to play with you, your 14.99 per month plan isnt going to change that. You either get with the program or play within your spectrum of skill. I have seen plenty of idiotic builds that cause frustration and failure, if i catch it soon enough, i boot you.
Or why not ask them why the use the build. Then suggest something better for your group/dungeon you are in. If they refuse to change it then remove them? The act of just saying you suxxorz bye bye doesn't really help that player or community as a whole. Most people will have no problem changing their style if they are shown a new/better way to do it. There are so many options/builds in this game that getting everything perfect is nigh impossible. Specially at this point where people are still learning, and half the skills for most classes seem to be broken
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Nooblet✭✭✭✭UniscornScarebear wrote: »Eew, the DPS add-ons have arrived? Uch... *barf*
Like those weren't annoying enough in WoW
It is only possible to parse your own character. Game does not allow you to check DPS of other players(unless of course that player asks them and they respond)1 -
dawnhawk✭✭✭*boggle*
I knew the "exclusion is bullying too" crowd were getting more vocal but...really?
Play how you want - obviously for you that means don't play with people who put an emphasis on optimization.
Is there anything bad or wrong with what you want to do? Not as far as I'm concerned.
Would I choose to play with you? Likely not. I tend to not pug, and I play with people who's philosophy matches my own. Yours, from the evidence provided, does not (but it has nothing to do with your damage output).
You have the right to play how you want, so does everyone else. You do not have the right to demand everyone play WITH you.2 -
Fairydragon3✭✭✭✭Fairydragon3 wrote: »merryblues wrote: »I'm Batman!
Superman > Batman.
No it's Deadpool> headpool> Batman> Thor> Cap. A> IronMan......superman is not on this list
What's that?
http://www.ign.com/top/comic-book-heroes/1
CANT HEAR YOU WAY UP HERE AT NUMBER 1
It's rough being on top.
I'm sorry I just cant get over on how big of a P***Y he is about his own powers. I'm tired of hearing about how he always needs to remain in control, and all it takes for him to snap is for him to accidental Destroy Metropolis in an alternate reality. Batman doesn't slip, and you know what his plan is for the rare case the he does? The Justice league. It takes the entire justice league to bring Bats down, Batman can do in all of the Justice league by him self.
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Qutayba✭✭✭This all comes down to what kind of grouping culture will develop in the game. Some other games either have or allow tools that give you lots of data about how others in your group are performing (or even that random guy standing in town with the cool armor or boasting in chat about his epeen). ESO, so far, does not have an armory, and add-ons like Recount can collect your own data, but not the data of others. I think that was a deliberate choice on the part of the designers because they want to reduce the kinds of experiences the OP describes.
That being said, groups ought to and do have a mechanism to kick people for not carrying their weight or for being jerks, or whatever. You don't really need a meter to tell when someone isn't participating to their fullest. Sometimes people with non-traditional gear will really know what they're doing, and sometimes people with amazing gear will be clueless how to be effective. My experience overall is that other players in ESO have been patient and helpful - I think most want to create a grouping experience vastly different from that *other* MMO.
My suggestion to the OP is to find guilds that match your play style. There are a lot of nice people in ESO, and I like the type of community that is developing in many parts of the game, but not everyone is going to share your style. So identify individuals and groups that do, and then build friendships with them. Then, you can avoid the annoying uber-l33ts.2 -
Harkrider✭✭✭Fairydragon3 wrote: »Fairydragon3 wrote: »merryblues wrote: »I'm Batman!
Superman > Batman.
No it's Deadpool> headpool> Batman> Thor> Cap. A> IronMan......superman is not on this list
What's that?
http://www.ign.com/top/comic-book-heroes/1
CANT HEAR YOU WAY UP HERE AT NUMBER 1
It's rough being on top.
I'm sorry I just cant get over on how big of a P***Y he is about his own powers. I'm tired of hearing about how he always needs to remain in control, and all it takes for him to snap is for him to accidental Destroy Metropolis in an alternate reality. Batman doesn't slip, and you know what his plan is for the rare case the he does? The Justice league. It takes the entire justice league to bring Bats down, Batman can do in all of the Justice league by him self.
Batman doesn't have a single superpower. Thus, not superhero.
He's a lonely, temperamental vigilante at best.Edited by Harkrider on May 5, 2014 3:10PM0 -
Rainingblood✭✭✭If you are speaking of vet dungeon content? There are situations where you need to be geared and knowledgeable of the encounter, or else you are a hindrance to the group. If you are pugging vet dungeons without proper gear or skills, or are unwilling to adjust your loadout for a certain fight, then why should others suffer because you are dragging the rest of the group down and piling up their repair bills?
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stefaan.de.wasch1b16_ESO wrote: »stefaan.de.wasch1b16_ESO wrote: »As for your comment of "people being bullied" ... well... this isn't highschool man... always have to option of walking away (which in highschool you can't always do)
"If" you get bullied in a game then that's upto you if you stay and take the abuse or walk off.
If people bully you in zone chat or mails then report them... But in a group ? Nope... that in a game is on the "bullee" not the "bully"
Oh please. I definitely walked away a lot in high school. Ran, actually, and then hopped a fence or two. I was always back before lunch period was over though.
Lol, hence I put "you can't always" I lost my hair at age 14, so I've been there 
Not good for an active social life at that age 
I just meant leaving campus for lunch... Sorry to hear about your (hair) loss.
Tbh, I've always thought no-hair was attractive for either gender. I realize I might be in the minority though... xD
Hehe ^.^
Hehe, I been over it a long long time ago... still, at age 46 I can now look at others and say : "2 years" ... "Hmmm... give it 6 years" I earned that right
The statement "if you put enough monkeys behind enough typewriters... sooner or later one will produce the works of Shakespeare" has sadly been proven utterly wrong by the internet...0 -
Fairydragon3✭✭✭✭Fairydragon3 wrote: »Fairydragon3 wrote: »merryblues wrote: »I'm Batman!
Superman > Batman.
No it's Deadpool> headpool> Batman> Thor> Cap. A> IronMan......superman is not on this list
What's that?
http://www.ign.com/top/comic-book-heroes/1
CANT HEAR YOU WAY UP HERE AT NUMBER 1
It's rough being on top.
I'm sorry I just cant get over on how big of a P***Y he is about his own powers. I'm tired of hearing about how he always needs to remain in control, and all it takes for him to snap is for him to accidental Destroy Metropolis in an alternate reality. Batman doesn't slip, and you know what his plan is for the rare case the he does? The Justice league. It takes the entire justice league to bring Bats down, Batman can do in all of the Justice league by him self.
Batman doesn't have a single superpower. Thus, not superhero.
He's a lonely, temperamental vigilante at best.
The word you are looking for is TURE hero.......HEY werent we talking about something else.............OH RIGHT.......I love Deadpool and Headpool. and now i want Tacos0 -
UniscornScarebear wrote: »Eew, the DPS add-ons have arrived? Uch... *barf*
Like those weren't annoying enough in WoW
It is only possible to parse your own character. Game does not allow you to check DPS of other players(unless of course that player asks them and they respond)
Ah ok, thanks.
I hope it stays that way.
Because the annoying spamming of the DPS meter is something I can live without in ESO
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Keep at it, eventually they lose their will to fight back.
Head rubbings, tummy raspberries and face smushing... you can do them all!0 -
Just stating i haven't been arsed to read all the comments just so noone calls on that
But to the op, who do we think we are? I don't know lots of people including myself wants to play with people that are skilled and overall just good players when doing group content and as for myself it goes for who i socialize with aswell i guess.
Anyways to the point. The people (and yes i would include myself) that ask for gearcheck, dps meters ect ect do this because when we are inviting a player we don't know to a group it's a checkup on if they can perform well enough for what we want out of the game to do the content we do and how we do it.
You can call it elitism or whatever you want frankly most of us don't really care. If i run a VR10 dungeon or whatever it might be I want to play with good people with good gear and I would any day take a player that can contribute to taking group content faster, better ect ect, you pick instead of a player that can't.
As for gearchecks and dps meters; They have been part of mmo's for quite some years now and while they does not provide you with the skill of a player they give a good estimate.
Mmo's have been evolving for years and as an example stuff like enrage timers was introduced in some and stuff like that contribute to gearcheck, optimal builds, rotations and what not.
As some final thoughts on the matter you mention you pay for this game. Yes indeed you do but so does every other player and if a group decides that you or whoever it might be is not performing to thier standard and they want someone they think is and can perform better it's thier choice to pick. You don't have a right to get included in the group content you want to play just because you pay for the game that's for the playerbase to decide.
There is a reason that mmo games have top guilds and whatever for whatever category you play in be it pvp or pve and they pick the best players to be on the top, first and what not.
If you don't like elitism if that's what you chose to call it, don't play with those people (and i'm guessing they won't play with you either) but you simply cannot demand to be included.
Anyways just a few thoughts on the matter Enjoy. 2 -
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Keep at it, eventually they lose their will to fight back.
Head rubbings, tummy raspberries and face smushing... you can do them all!
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Mr_MajestykSoul ShrivenIn my opinion this is one of the most tired conversations across many MMOs. People have a right to be people. Both sides have valid points and the reality is that despite that truth, the bottom line is People are people.
When you randomly pug with people, they have no idea who you are, what your capabilities are, level of knowledge, level of screen awareness. So given that we don't conduct PUG interviews to group with people, games that allow addons which provide some estimate of your experience and capabilities become the best information available. How this information is used varies per individual, but it is no surprise that in this generation of apathy, instant gratification, read the last chapter first, loot centric, excessive whining gaming culture that so dominates most MMO's that some people will use this information to optimize group make up to get the job done as fast as possible. Honestly, its their right to do so.
MMO culture is very much a product of our world's culture. While I can be sympathetic to the OP, you must keep in mind that just because you see an attractive person, that you would like to ask out, they are not required to say yes because you want to. The game is no different.
While I have never considered myself an elitist by common gaming definitions, I have had so many bad pug experiences in MMOs that it is not my first inclination to pug group content. The reasons for those bad experiences covers a broad spectrum of issues, from low skill level, lazy, ignorant players to hyperspeed, self-centered, loot centric <insert derogatory descriptor here>. I myself like to open every container, search for chests, and enjoy the awesome jobs the devs did visually with this game. Others just want to get to the end, and that is ok with me, we don't make a good fit to group together.
Like life, we all have to find a way to fit into the culture in which we live. Gamers create the culture for MMOs, and we can define the norms. Whether or not addons can work as they do in other games can influence that outcome, but in the end its the people that make up the game that define the culture. Complaining about those people who don't see it your way on the forums will accomplish very little in shaping that culture. Especially, when you fail to understand why they think the way they do.
My 2cp.
P.S. So far my pugging experience in this game has been well above average than other MMOs. While there have been a few bad runs, the vast majority of them have been enjoyable experiences. I think this is in large part because we are all learning the encounters together. I suspect, when the content is more repetitive at the vet levels, this experience will change in general.
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rootimus✭✭✭✭✭paradoxorganisationb16_ESO wrote: »Just stating i haven't been arsed to read all the comments
Excellent. I couldn't be arsed to read your post.
Even on the internet, clear communication is important; it can be the difference between "helping your Uncle Jack off a horse" and "helping your uncle jack off a horse"; the difference between "knowing your s***" and "knowing you're s***".
Greybeards & Gals - Civilised, laid-back, mature gamers. Beards optional. |2 -
Fairydragon3✭✭✭✭paradoxorganisationb16_ESO wrote: »Just stating i haven't been arsed to read all the comments
Excellent. I couldn't be arsed to read your post.
Why not? Arse you sick?0 -
Kililin✭✭✭✭i dont even think either gear or dps checks are very useful for judging ones performance.
i just think you are nuts if you want to force other people to spend time with you. it is their time and they are allowed to spend it with whoever they want.
they are allowed to not invite you for whatever reason.
it puzzles me how anyone questions that.4