Who do you think you are?

Spritehawk

I think he is referring to someone else's thread on how they got removed from a party because of his lower melee damage. This thread kind of doesn't make sense unless you have read the other one. He is just venting his frustration over previous games and worry that it will happen to this one. And its a worry a few of us have.

Silowyi

Ok, don't get angry with me, but there is nothing wrong with the players who want to measure you to a standard they have set for themselves.

That said, I am not one of those people, I play with pretty much any group so long as they are nice people... I heal without reservation. I don't ask what someone's build is, what gear they are wearing, what rotations they use, etc. I think I play just fine but I have no delusions of being perfect and that's not my motivation. I want to be the best I can be, but I'm not worried about being the best.

Still, they have as much right to be "picky" as you have to "not" want them to be picky. Jobs have the right to exclude applicants who didn't get an MBA from Harvard, etc. I agree it sucks to have someone shine a light on you and look for your flaws but they have every right to do it. Just find your own niche of people who don't... there are well over a million people playing this game... avoid people whose play style is offensive to you.

I'm not defending anyone's methods just their right to employ them as they see fit.

seanolan

God, you are whiny...the point I have made, and MANY others have made as well, is that there ISN'T a set mold, most players DON'T play that way, and you should probably look for players like that. Why do you give a frak what the "elites" think? As has been said before, don't play with them. And find a group that suits you better. And stop bloody whinging like a milk drinker about a non-issue.

TheAmu

Just be patient. Someone will group with you. There are a lot of friendly people playing the game. At least from my experience.

Maybe you could advertise in the in-game chat that you're looking for a friendly, non-hardcore guild. I'm sure someone will offer you an invite, and then you'll have heaps of people you can call on for help.

This is something the game you are paying for offers. So why not make use of it. But of course, you can choose not to. That is part of you choosing to play the way you want. Unfortunately, it's not always going to yield the best (or even the most enjoyable) results.

So I hope you have some luck finding a nice group of people to kill all the things with.

Tripp3r

Harkrider wrote: »

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Welcome to the new world of MMOs. Brought to you by the edition of add ons like recount and gearscore.

As for ESO if they tell you they can see your dps then report them for exploiting. Since the API is closed they shouldn't be able to run anything like that.

As for their being more "elite" players. I honestly don't find that be true. I have been playing MMOs since 2002. I think there are (on a scale due to the number of people that play now) about the same amount of elite players. The only difference back then they were patient enough to answer questions, or help you become geared enough. The reason for was we were able to police ourselves so much better than now.

Back in EQ if you were a total jerk people you just wouldn't get groups anymore. Now when they put in these stupid group finder tools you can still be the biggest jerk, but there is no drawback cause you will still get groups.

If they figured out someway for us to get back to policing ourselves you would see the behavior drop drastically.

ESO's API does not allow for data collection regarding most statistics for other players. So damage meters, etc, are not going to appear (rather, reemerge) here unless the API is changed again.

Recount already exists mate.
Check curse.

Harkrider

Hrithmus wrote: »

Like i said before. I have seen Melee users get kicked for no reason then, them not being able to keep up with someone else's DPS. Me being a tank i speak up and say i'll leave if your kick that person because they like to play how they want.

Was a melee using all light armor and a 2 handed axe. Why should he get punished? He get kicked so i left the group.

Just like this thread. People are missing the point. If each class already has a set mold then so be it. I guess im maybe trying to shed the light on this happening way more then it should.

As I said in a previous statement, ESO's API does not allow for collection of certain statistics of other players. Thus, they did not get kicked for their DPS, because nobody else would know how they were performing in that regard.

Either they got kicked for another reason (and the possibilities are endless) or you're making up a story to support your case.

Not to mention, melee DPS is just fine. It's great, actually.

concobar

Harkrider wrote: »

concobar wrote: »

I am the night!

That's my favorite picture on the internet!

Harkrider

Tripp3r wrote: »

Harkrider wrote: »

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Welcome to the new world of MMOs. Brought to you by the edition of add ons like recount and gearscore.

As for ESO if they tell you they can see your dps then report them for exploiting. Since the API is closed they shouldn't be able to run anything like that.

As for their being more "elite" players. I honestly don't find that be true. I have been playing MMOs since 2002. I think there are (on a scale due to the number of people that play now) about the same amount of elite players. The only difference back then they were patient enough to answer questions, or help you become geared enough. The reason for was we were able to police ourselves so much better than now.

Back in EQ if you were a total jerk people you just wouldn't get groups anymore. Now when they put in these stupid group finder tools you can still be the biggest jerk, but there is no drawback cause you will still get groups.

If they figured out someway for us to get back to policing ourselves you would see the behavior drop drastically.

ESO's API does not allow for data collection regarding most statistics for other players. So damage meters, etc, are not going to appear (rather, reemerge) here unless the API is changed again.

Recount already exists mate.
Check curse.

Yeah, and nobody can see it other than you.

Nobody is getting kicked for their performance on damage meters, unless they're removing themselves from the group.

Thechemicals

If i dont want to play with you, your 14.99 per month plan isnt going to change that. You either get with the program or play within your spectrum of skill. I have seen plenty of idiotic builds that cause frustration and failure, if i catch it soon enough, i boot you.

rootimus

Hrithmus wrote: »

I have seen alot of people getting bullied...

I don't think that word means what you think it does.

Fairydragon3

Audigy wrote: »

Fairydragon3 wrote: »

They don't want to kick you out, they just don't want to play with you. Honestly it's their choice to play with you or not, you are always welcome to start your on group, then you make the rules. But you can't judge someone just because they want to play differently than you. also you could just Lie, there is no way they can monitor your stats during gameplay, they can only see their own

Do you see the flaw in your own statement?

You say that the OP should make his own group, but why not the Elitist´s?

Look, from my point of view random groups are exactly this, random. Nobody in these groups has the right to flame someone for his spec, dps, race or choice of pink armor. That's why these groups are called random

However, if someone wants to make some super elite group with a professional environment, why does he look for that group in a random group tool?

The issue the OP and many of us have is the abuse of the group finder tool, the abuse of random groups in MMO´s where one or two Elitist´s get in and start to boss around others.

If someone wants to break a new world record in gaming then he should open a guild for this. There is no reason to expect or demand professional gaming in a random pug.

First time you said that this was a randomized group. I haven't used the group finder, but I assume you can request yourself to be the leader. And you are doing the same thing they are, you call them elitist but maybe this is just how THEY like to play, just like how you like to play your way. You really need to think about this another way than just. OTHER PEOPLE ARE NOT LETTING ME PLAY!!! sounds to me like yall wouldn't get along anyway. so why do you want to try to play with those players

wllstrt75b14_ESO

well I hate to be devils advocate here but, why dont they have the right to kick you out of their group if you are not performing up to their expectations? They invited you didnt they? its not like you singed a contract that coves the entire duration of the dungeon.
Make some friends and work with people you like dont go into random groups especially ones that are only in it for the loot and xp as opposed to the fun.

Hrithmus

Harkrider wrote: »

Hrithmus wrote: »

Like i said before. I have seen Melee users get kicked for no reason then, them not being able to keep up with someone else's DPS. Me being a tank i speak up and say i'll leave if your kick that person because they like to play how they want.

Was a melee using all light armor and a 2 handed axe. Why should he get punished? He get kicked so i left the group.

Just like this thread. People are missing the point. If each class already has a set mold then so be it. I guess im maybe trying to shed the light on this happening way more then it should.

As I said in a previous statement, ESO's API does not allow for collection of certain statistics of other players. Thus, they did not get kicked for their DPS, because nobody else would know how they were performing in that regard.

Either they got kicked for another reason (and the possibilities are endless) or you're making up a story to support your case.

Not to mention, melee DPS is just fine. It's great, actually.

Ahh ic, one guy asked how much he was hitting for and he said the damage and they asked him to link his gear and weapon. After that they said "Your not doing enough damage" and pretty much told him to leave. Seen this happen 4 times with 4 different people. Same thing, Asked for damage, told them to link gear and then either got kicked or told to use a different weapon or ability slotted.

zeuseason

Hrithmus wrote: »

Please just enjoy the game and have fun....

This seems to work just fine for me! I'll never let someone tell me how to play a game. Not even ZOS as I refuse to repair my gear.

Fairydragon3

zeuseason wrote: »

Hrithmus wrote: »

Please just enjoy the game and have fun....

This seems to work just fine for me! I'll never let someone tell me how to play a game. Not even ZOS as I refuse to repair my gear.

ME TOO, **** That repair bill, ill just make another set!

Nooblet

Hrithmus wrote: »

Shillen wrote: »

When you group with someone you are affecting their game experience. They can choose to group with you or not for whatever reason they want. Who are you to tell them they can't?

So they have that right and i do not? Explain

You both have the right. You have the right to find players who have the same mindset as you, just like they have the mindset to find players like them.

Anyone joining a random group to do a dungeon needs to realize that people may have different beliefs or intentions. If a very bad player, or one with a strange build that isnt contributing what they should, they can be kicked. Such is life.

You can choose to be lazy, and only focus on having fun in life, and you will not be accepted by everyone.

You can choose to not shower, and not care about your hygiene and will not be accepted by everyone.

You can choose to be a model citizen, and make helping others your priority, and you will not be accepted by everyone.

The point is, in a group environment with random players on the internet, you cannot expect to get along, and fit in every group. If you find yourself getting kicked from more groups than you succeed in, perhaps you might try finding players with similar mindsets and group with them for a more pleasant experience.

Getorix

I tried to read the ops post but I couldn't get past "bullied" and "elite" in the first sentence of his tantrum. Our society is in a really scary place.

Milanna

Nooblet wrote: »

You can choose to be lazy, and only focus on having fun in life, and you will not be accepted by everyone.

You know, playing computer games for hours and hours a day can be percieved as particularly lazy by some.

JessieColt

Everyone pays.

You have the right not to group/play with people you term "elitist" and those players have the right not to group/play with you for whatever perceived reason they have.

However, you do NOT have the right to force them to group/play with you.

There are enough people in this game that all play styles can, and do, find others to group with.

You should be self aware, and have the courtesy to provide that information to others, regarding any issues you have.

I am a vamp, the very FIRST thing I tell people when I group is that I am a Vamp. This immediately lets them know that I am going to have issues with fire in any dungeon. If they do not want to group with me, I am mature enough to drop group and let them find someone else to join them.

It doesn't hurt me to do that. In fact, I personally feel better doing it that way, and those people ALSO feel better knowing that I am mature enough to do that.

Hell, I have people on my friends list that have sent me friends requests just because I was mature enough to drop group for them so that they could find someone else and we have always parted on good terms, with thank you's and good lucks being said.

I find that a lot of people that I have grouped with do not care that I am a Vamp and have issues with fire. In those cases, they have instead been aware and let me know if a boss fight is going to be fire intensive so that I go into the fight being more aware of what I need to do to stay out the way and keep the healer from having to expend more energy on healing me instead of keep the tank alive.

It also means that I am self aware enough that I keep/take plenty of healing pots with me, and I use them.

This is just one example of being "self aware". Your strengths and limitations may/will be different from mine, but you still need to be self aware and learn to accept those limitations, and rule your strengths.

I am not an "elite" player with top or super high dps, but I have other skills, like the rock solid ability to interrupt, or stun. So I learn to use those to my advantage so that even though my dps output isn't high, I am fully contributing in other ways to the group.

You need to accept that not everyone is going to want to group with you and insinuating that just because you pay for the game they should be forced to do so is only going to make you hate this game and stress you out, while having no affect on the other people that you are upset with.

Learn to let it go.

Stravok

In other MMOs I have played you HAD to play/spec/gear your toon a certain way or you would just be dead weight to your group and or raid. ZO said "play anyway you want" but they never said that was going to hold up in end game content or even it was a good idea.

There are imbalances in the game which they will hopefully fix very soon but for those to sit there and DEMAND that others play their way and to DEMAND they can play any way they want is just stupid and ANY long time MMOer knows that no matter what the situation is and what a game calls for sooner or later for the more serious types of players there will be classes and specs used over others to ensure the clearing of all end game content.

I also seem to think some (not all) people confuse the name Elitists for Good and that making the person pointing the finger at the "elitists" being a moderate or subpar player. The bottom line is you can play anyway you want BUT that may also come with a price.

Harkrider

Hrithmus wrote: »

Harkrider wrote: »

Hrithmus wrote: »

Like i said before. I have seen Melee users get kicked for no reason then, them not being able to keep up with someone else's DPS. Me being a tank i speak up and say i'll leave if your kick that person because they like to play how they want.

Was a melee using all light armor and a 2 handed axe. Why should he get punished? He get kicked so i left the group.

Just like this thread. People are missing the point. If each class already has a set mold then so be it. I guess im maybe trying to shed the light on this happening way more then it should.

As I said in a previous statement, ESO's API does not allow for collection of certain statistics of other players. Thus, they did not get kicked for their DPS, because nobody else would know how they were performing in that regard.

Either they got kicked for another reason (and the possibilities are endless) or you're making up a story to support your case.

Not to mention, melee DPS is just fine. It's great, actually.

Ahh ic, one guy asked how much he was hitting for and he said the damage and they asked him to link his gear and weapon. After that they said "Your not doing enough damage" and pretty much told him to leave. Seen this happen 4 times with 4 different people. Same thing, Asked for damage, told them to link gear and then either got kicked or told to use a different weapon or ability slotted.

Then you've had horrible luck to find yourself grouped with such morons.

I've played for months on beta/PTS, literally run hundreds of dungeons (got the achievements for 100/1k boss kills, the 10mil combat number achievements, etc) and I've not seen a single person kicked from a group for their damage performance. Honestly, not a single one.

Make your own group. The dungeons aren't hard and you should be able to breeze through them without cookie cutter builds. I'm generally healing, so I don't really care about damage anyways. My main concern is a tank who doesn't block or a DPS who stands in fire.

Does it bug me when somebody isn't doing their job well enough to make the run easy? Sure. Do I kick them from the group for it? Nope.

Ran 2-3 dungeons last night with a 'tank' who had 40% less health than myself, and they used a 2-hander for who knows what reason. I didn't say a word, because we were still able to get through the content without too much hassle.

The only reason anybody should be removed from a group based on their performance is when it literally renders progression impossible. Otherwise, just keep playing the game and like I said, make your own group.

Ospoon

Xaaz wrote: »

Nobody has to put up with you or play with you. THEY also pay. Get over yourself.

You basically just validated his point, all the other posts could have been eliminated by your one response. In your defense, we're also not likely getting the full story. How often does someone complain about one group boot, unless it's happened multiple times already?

His point is that this game is supposed to encourage off-beat builds that allow everyone to play respectably, even if not top-tier in their chosen 'class'. Sure, it's the right of others to not play with him if he doesn't fit their mold, and i'll agree he's likely a bit bull-headed when it comes to ignoring obvious and perfectly viable trends (i.e. PLD/NIN in XI); however, in a game that has touted itself as being able to fit multiple builds for a single task and each be just as effective as the other, it's falling way short.

So, the community and min/maxers do what they always do when presented with less than opportune choices, they pigeonhole. It's both the developers and elitists' faults, technically speaking, but more lies on the fault of the devs for not living up to their promise. Templar is a perfect example of being forced to choose some traits in the healing line, just to play and survive 30+, unless you roll only with a resto staff.

merryblues

I'm Batman!

stefaan.de.wasch1b16_ESO

Harkrider wrote: »

stefaan.de.wasch1b16_ESO wrote: »

As for your comment of "people being bullied" ... well... this isn't highschool man... always have to option of walking away (which in highschool you can't always do)

"If" you get bullied in a game then that's upto you if you stay and take the abuse or walk off.

If people bully you in zone chat or mails then report them... But in a group ? Nope... that in a game is on the "bullee" not the "bully"

Oh please. I definitely walked away a lot in high school. Ran, actually, and then hopped a fence or two. I was always back before lunch period was over though.

Lol, hence I put "you can't always" I lost my hair at age 14, so I've been there Not good for an active social life at that age

Harkrider

merryblues wrote: »

I'm Batman!

Superman > Batman.

Koltiros1005b14a_ESO

What did I just read... You tried tanking with a staff...? You realize "play however you want." Doesn't mean like "play like a monk from a Japanese montage." Just put on a shield and do the world a favor.

Fairydragon3

Harkrider wrote: »

merryblues wrote: »

I'm Batman!

Superman > Batman.

No it's Deadpool> headpool> Batman> Thor> Cap. A> IronMan......superman is not on this list

Harkrider

stefaan.de.wasch1b16_ESO wrote: »

Harkrider wrote: »

stefaan.de.wasch1b16_ESO wrote: »

As for your comment of "people being bullied" ... well... this isn't highschool man... always have to option of walking away (which in highschool you can't always do)

"If" you get bullied in a game then that's upto you if you stay and take the abuse or walk off.

If people bully you in zone chat or mails then report them... But in a group ? Nope... that in a game is on the "bullee" not the "bully"

Oh please. I definitely walked away a lot in high school. Ran, actually, and then hopped a fence or two. I was always back before lunch period was over though.

Lol, hence I put "you can't always" I lost my hair at age 14, so I've been there Not good for an active social life at that age

I just meant leaving campus for lunch... Sorry to hear about your (hair) loss. Tbh, I've always thought no-hair was attractive for either gender. I realize I might be in the minority though... xD

Hehe ^.^

Harkrider

Fairydragon3 wrote: »

Harkrider wrote: »

merryblues wrote: »

I'm Batman!

Superman > Batman.

No it's Deadpool> headpool> Batman> Thor> Cap. A> IronMan......superman is not on this list

What's that?

http://www.ign.com/top/comic-book-heroes/1

CANT HEAR YOU WAY UP HERE AT NUMBER 1

It's rough being on top.

Blackwidow

Hrithmus wrote: »

WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?

They call me Mr. Bigstuff.