So is the 'hide shoulder' a collectible or a style?

Dragonlord573 · February 2023

The patch notes says that it is a "requested outfit style" but also calls it a collectible.

tomofhyrule · February 2023

I heard some guildies talking about it as if it was a coding thing in terms of needing something in that slot, so it needed to be programmed as a 'null.'

However, at the outfit station, it works just like the Hide Helmet one. It's at the top of the menu where the 'Hide Helm' is. It works as expected.

The only thing is we need to use tickets to get it. But it's not tied to any events, so the assistant will have it permanently.

EDIT to add a pic:

Once you get it, it works just like the Hide Helm in the Outfit station

acastanza_ESO · February 2023

I find it baffling that this isn't just implemented the same way as the ability to hide the helmet.
I can only assume that there's just no one left at ZOS who understands how the code for hide helmet works in the first place.

But actually charging event tickets for it and having it applied in this bizarre way? Come on.

Dark_Lord_Kuro · February 2023

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

I find it baffling that this isn't just implemented the same way as the ability to hide the helmet.
I can only assume that there's just no one left at ZOS who understands how the code for hide helmet works in the first place.

But actually charging event tickets for it and having it applied in this bizarre way? Come on.

What? Are you saying its not at the oufit table like hide helmet?(once purchased)

Dragonlord573 · February 2023

tomofhyrule wrote: »

I heard some guildies talking about it as if it was a coding thing in terms of needing something in that slot, so it needed to be programmed as a 'null.'

However, at the outfit station, it works just like the Hide Helmet one. It's at the top of the menu where the 'Hide Helm' is. It works as expected.

The only thing is we need to use tickets to get it. But it's not tied to any events, so the assistant will have it permanently.

EDIT to add a pic:

Once you get it, it works just like the Hide Helm in the Outfit station

This is great news! Thank you.

flizomica · February 2023

My assumption is that it's effectively coded as an invisible shoulder style page, so it kinda makes sense it would be available in a similar format to other style pages.

chessalavakia_ESO · February 2023

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

I find it baffling that this isn't just implemented the same way as the ability to hide the helmet.
I can only assume that there's just no one left at ZOS who understands how the code for hide helmet works in the first place.

But actually charging event tickets for it and having it applied in this bizarre way? Come on.

I'd assume that it is implemented differently due to costumes as they may not be set up with separate shoulder parts in all cases which would present problems if you tried to remove the shoulders of a costume.

Alpheu5 · February 2023

flizomica wrote: »

My assumption is that it's effectively coded as an invisible shoulder style page, so it kinda makes sense it would be available in a similar format to other style pages.

Nobody had to do anything to gain the ability to hide their helmets. As a matter of fact, even way back in the day when outfitting stations were only dye stations, there was a toggle in the Gameplay options to hide your helmet.

Gating the shoulder toggle behind a ticket purchase has nothing to do with how other motifs are obtained and makes it an unnecessary ticket/time/money sink.

lillybit · February 2023

How many tickets does it cost please? Or is it just a token amount like crown store stuff so we won't know til live?

notyuu · February 2023

@lillybit
it cots 5 tickets from the event vendor and unlocks the hide shoulders as a style in the outfit station with an application cost of 5,000 gold

the Real question is, why does it cost tickets to buy in the first place?
IMHO it should be free (or at least cost something like 50 gold) to aquire what should have been in outfit system from day one
@ZOS_GinaBruno

Soraka · February 2023

Oh wow. I was assuming it was the same as hiding the helmet. What a bummer.

Tommy_The_Gun · February 2023

This is what happens when the accountants are the ones that design the game lol.

It should have been just base game feature (just like hide helmet is)... like who thought it will be good idea ?

What I also find weird is... why "hide helmet" is a collectible ? It should be a toggle button in your inventory near armor head slot in a 1st place... just like in... pretty much every other crpg out there lol.

luen79rwb17_ESO · February 2023

Good a requested feature that isn't monetized in an abusive manner.

The highly requested class change token should work like this.

CyberDiva · February 2023

Okay, so...... I will begrudgingly pay five tickets or some gold for the hide shoulders option. But to put a gold price on its application is just dumb. I am sorry, but it is just dumb. Why? We are already paying for the thing. Why is there a need to put a gold price on its application? Zero it out like the Helmet.

Araneae6537 · February 2023

tomofhyrule wrote: »

I heard some guildies talking about it as if it was a coding thing in terms of needing something in that slot, so it needed to be programmed as a 'null.'

However, at the outfit station, it works just like the Hide Helmet one. It's at the top of the menu where the 'Hide Helm' is. It works as expected.

The only thing is we need to use tickets to get it. But it's not tied to any events, so the assistant will have it permanently.

EDIT to add a pic:

Once you get it, it works just like the Hide Helm in the Outfit station

I’m glad that it’s implemented from the outfit station like the similar hide helmet so that we set up different outfits accordingly!

I know there are additional options to hide helmet that also work with costumes but expect that many of the costumes were not set up to work with hide shoulders.

CyberDiva wrote: »

Okay, so...... I will begrudgingly pay five tickets or some gold for the hide shoulders option. But to put a gold price on its application is just dumb. I am sorry, but it is just dumb. Why? We are already paying for the thing. Why is there a need to put a gold price on its application? Zero it out like the Helmet.

Seriously? It’s 500 gold. If you’re on one of the PC servers I could mail you some.

I’m surprised it will cost tickets but whatever, I’m glad we’re finally getting a hide shoulders option!

ForumBully · February 2023

I totally missed this in the notes (yes, I scroll to combat changes). Ummm...ok. I guess you want to add some value to the event tickets partition? I'll definitely take it, and thank you for it. Seems like a roundabout way to offer something that should have been so simple, BUT, if this is a sign of things to come (hide tabard), I'm on board and will finally have something to use event tickets to acquire.

ForumBully · February 2023

I totally missed this in the notes (yes, I scroll to combat changes). Ummm...ok. I guess you want to add some value to the event tickets participation? I'll definitely take it, and thank you for it. Seems like a roundabout way to offer something that should have been so simple, BUT, if this is a sign of things to come (hide tabard), I'm on board and will finally have something to use event tickets to acquire.

alternatelder · February 2023

Why is this (a feature requested for yeeeaasrrrs) locked behind a ticket purchase???

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin

Araneae6537 · February 2023

alternatelder wrote: »

Why is this (a feature requested for yeeeaasrrrs) locked behind a ticket purchase???

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin

Would you have rather it cost Crowns? Or Gems?

But seriously, isn’t it rather soon to complain about the price? I don’t think we know how many tickets it will cost nor how many we will get in upcoming events. Generally, one will have extra tickets AND the current year’s items/morphs return for the New Life festival, so one can use that information and prioritize accordingly.

Necrotech_Master · February 2023

Araneae6537 wrote: »

alternatelder wrote: »

Why is this (a feature requested for yeeeaasrrrs) locked behind a ticket purchase???

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin

Would you have rather it cost Crowns? Or Gems?

But seriously, isn’t it rather soon to complain about the price? I don’t think we know how many tickets it will cost nor how many we will get in upcoming events. Generally, one will have extra tickets AND the current year’s items/morphs return for the New Life festival, so one can use that information and prioritize accordingly.

i think the issue people are having is that this should have been a key feature integrated into the game with no "purchase' requirement at all lol

i personally do not see why it should cost anything to unlock, since it is effectively providing the same functionality as hide helmet, but there is a ticket cost to unlock + gold cost to apply a hidden shoulder as a style, why such a large disparity between hide helmet and hide shoulder?

Araneae6537 · February 2023

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

alternatelder wrote: »

Why is this (a feature requested for yeeeaasrrrs) locked behind a ticket purchase???

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin

Would you have rather it cost Crowns? Or Gems?

But seriously, isn’t it rather soon to complain about the price? I don’t think we know how many tickets it will cost nor how many we will get in upcoming events. Generally, one will have extra tickets AND the current year’s items/morphs return for the New Life festival, so one can use that information and prioritize accordingly.

i think the issue people are having is that this should have been a key feature integrated into the game with no "purchase' requirement at all lol

i personally do not see why it should cost anything to unlock, since it is effectively providing the same functionality as hide helmet, but there is a ticket cost to unlock + gold cost to apply a hidden shoulder as a style, why such a large disparity between hide helmet and hide shoulder?

I would have expected it to be a new option that would just appear in the outfit station after an update. I agree the implementation seems odd but likewise, it doesn’t seem to be worth complaining about and the positives here greatly outweigh the negatives.

I realize it’s human nature to focus on the negative, or even the perceived negative, and I don’t think I’ve seen a game forum any different, and yet it seems to me there has been an excessive amount of posts complaining or protesting every type of thing. Maybe it should not matter to me, but 1) I worry that actual problems will get buried under general saltiness and 2) if people complain whatever ZOS does, then how can we hope they will listen to any feedback? My concerns may be misguided, but it is what I endeavor to follow myself and post things I’m happy about too and to give any requests or complaints only the weight they merit (which I realize is subjective, but some things hopefully we can all agree are non-issues, like a small gold fee?)

Necrotech_Master · February 2023

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

alternatelder wrote: »

Why is this (a feature requested for yeeeaasrrrs) locked behind a ticket purchase???

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin

Would you have rather it cost Crowns? Or Gems?

But seriously, isn’t it rather soon to complain about the price? I don’t think we know how many tickets it will cost nor how many we will get in upcoming events. Generally, one will have extra tickets AND the current year’s items/morphs return for the New Life festival, so one can use that information and prioritize accordingly.

i think the issue people are having is that this should have been a key feature integrated into the game with no "purchase' requirement at all lol

i personally do not see why it should cost anything to unlock, since it is effectively providing the same functionality as hide helmet, but there is a ticket cost to unlock + gold cost to apply a hidden shoulder as a style, why such a large disparity between hide helmet and hide shoulder?

I would have expected it to be a new option that would just appear in the outfit station after an update. I agree the implementation seems odd but likewise, it doesn’t seem to be worth complaining about and the positives here greatly outweigh the negatives.

I realize it’s human nature to focus on the negative, or even the perceived negative, and I don’t think I’ve seen a game forum any different, and yet it seems to me there has been an excessive amount of posts complaining or protesting every type of thing. Maybe it should not matter to me, but 1) I worry that actual problems will get buried under general saltiness and 2) if people complain whatever ZOS does, then how can we hope they will listen to any feedback? My concerns may be misguided, but it is what I endeavor to follow myself and post things I’m happy about too and to give any requests or complaints only the weight they merit (which I realize is subjective, but some things hopefully we can all agree are non-issues, like a small gold fee?)

of course, the positive being that the option will be here at all, but at the same time they are making it "overly difficult" for apparently no reason, its doing the same thing as hide helmet basically, but why is it "more difficulty" (cost to obtain vs being built into the game, and while the gold cost is negligible, why is there a gold cost at all when its doing the same as hide helmet)

looking back, they kind of did the same harsh treatment to the jewelry crafting, they locked jewelry crafting behind summerset which either requires ESO+ or owning that dlc, and more difficult to craft (due to every item having an unrefined material) which makes it far more expensive to do crafting over any other gear craft

Soraka · February 2023

Does that mean that people who play later won't be able to get it? Or will it always be available for ticket?

Necrotech_Master · February 2023

Soraka wrote: »

Does that mean that people who play later won't be able to get it? Or will it always be available for ticket?

its available at the impressario assistant, which is available year round, but if it cost tickets then you still wont be able to get it until you can get tickets again, which would be during an event

edit for clarity: as in if you had less than the tickets needed to buy it you would still have to wait for an event to earn tickets for it

Jaimeh · February 2023

I don't mind that it's behind 5 tickets, because a) it's a small amount, and b) some players have no interest in a lot of the event collectibles, so it's nice to have another option for them to spend tickets on. Also, I think the game needs more permanent gold sinks, so I'm fine with the 5k gold cost. Should have they added it from the beginning, like the hide helmet? Sure, but they didn't, and found an opportunity to implement it now in a way that fits the state of the game now. It's a rare instance that they don't actually try to milk us, or give a gift that gets progressively worse (like the seals), so I'm very pleased with it.

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So is the 'hide shoulder' a collectible or a style?

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