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Class Change Needs To Come Next Year
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TaSheen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Holycannoli wrote: »tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »One reason I don't want class change tokens is that every time a class skill is changed or nerfed or buffed, the online community will start calling it a sneaky plot to sell class change tokens.
Changing classes without offering a class change token can be called a sneaky plot to get people to purchase more character slots.
I think a class change token will sell well.
Hard to purchase more character slots if you've already got 18 on various accounts on both servers.______________________________________________________
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ldzlcs065✭✭✭Agreed, since ZoS are rewriting the code, hope they take this into consideration and make class change feasible.3 -
xilfxlegion✭✭✭✭✭dinokstrunz wrote: »I see the argument of 'do not be lazy' in various forms crop up.
In my case 're-rolling' a character involves deleting a character that at the very least has all skill lines (sans antiquities and WW) and morphs levelled, all skyshards and lore books collected, all traits but nirnhoned researched, mount training done etc etc first.
There are no more slots in either account.
That has a simple answer: no u.
I'm sorry but that's just cope. It literally IS just laziness. If you don't have the desire to do what's needed to fill out a character of its skills then you're most likely not interested in playing the game in general. Don't make a new character, stick with what you have or put the effort it, it should never be any other way.
sigh. laziness is a crime now ? some of us work for a living and dont have time to reroll characters. if they are going to constantly kill certain classes then at the very least they should give an option to change classes. i work 6 days a week and dont have time to reroll characters.
they have made it so you can buy skyshards and skill lines on other characters --- it makes no sense that there arent class change options already.
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ADarklore✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Here is the problem with a class change token... they'd have to charge about $500 per change to make up for all they'd lose from people not creating an alt. It would devalue outfit/armory slots and everything else that is 'character bound'. This would not be a money-maker for ZOS, it would be a revenue LOSS in the long-run.
What they need to do is lower the cost of all the upgrade items, making it more cost effective for people to create an alt and still upgrade them right away.CP: 2121 ** ESO+ ** ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****
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FelisCatus✭✭✭✭✭Here is the problem with a class change token... they'd have to charge about $500 per change to make up for all they'd lose from people not creating an alt. It would devalue outfit/armory slots and everything else that is 'character bound'. This would not be a money-maker for ZOS, it would be a revenue LOSS in the long-run.
What they need to do is lower the cost of all the upgrade items, making it more cost effective for people to create an alt and still upgrade them right away.Here is the problem with a class change token... they'd have to charge about $500 per change to make up for all they'd lose from people not creating an alt. It would devalue outfit/armory slots and everything else that is 'character bound'. This would not be a money-maker for ZOS, it would be a revenue LOSS in the long-run.
What they need to do is lower the cost of all the upgrade items, making it more cost effective for people to create an alt and still upgrade them right away.
Not really. You could make the same argument that race change should also be that expensive. outfit/armoury slots are still purchased by people who only use one character and most people don't even bother with those tokens as they are already extortionate in price.0 -
dinokstrunz✭✭✭✭✭
✭xilfxlegion wrote: »dinokstrunz wrote: »I see the argument of 'do not be lazy' in various forms crop up.
In my case 're-rolling' a character involves deleting a character that at the very least has all skill lines (sans antiquities and WW) and morphs levelled, all skyshards and lore books collected, all traits but nirnhoned researched, mount training done etc etc first.
There are no more slots in either account.
That has a simple answer: no u.
I'm sorry but that's just cope. It literally IS just laziness. If you don't have the desire to do what's needed to fill out a character of its skills then you're most likely not interested in playing the game in general. Don't make a new character, stick with what you have or put the effort it, it should never be any other way.
sigh. laziness is a crime now ? some of us work for a living and dont have time to reroll characters. if they are going to constantly kill certain classes then at the very least they should give an option to change classes. i work 6 days a week and dont have time to reroll characters.
they have made it so you can buy skyshards and skill lines on other characters --- it makes no sense that there arent class change options already.
Then don't do it lol. This whole "I don't have time" is part of life, a lot of us have real life to contend do but that doesn't mean the game needs to be nullified. Jesus the mentality of some players on here is just astounding. Getting new characters can be fully prepped within weeks, you can buy skill lines with crowns/gold (if you can afford it from other players) if you want to drastically shorten the grind. There is literally no reason for class tokens to exist now. I don't get why some people can't fathom this.
There are some minor arguments that I would agree on, things like outfit slots should be account wide and in honestly it's really strange why this isn't the case. But this whole "we need more shortcuts" for literally everything now is getting beyond silly.5 -
Rasande_Robin✭✭✭✭tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »One reason I don't want class change tokens is that every time a class skill is changed or nerfed or buffed, the online community will start calling it a sneaky plot to sell class change tokens.
Not only that, the Trial community will demand you change class for the "meta" at the time. So please no class change tokens.. race change for "bis" is bad enough.PC/EU: Orcana "something"-stone1 -
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✭Rasande_Robin wrote: »tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »One reason I don't want class change tokens is that every time a class skill is changed or nerfed or buffed, the online community will start calling it a sneaky plot to sell class change tokens.
Not only that, the Trial community will demand you change class for the "meta" at the time. So please no class change tokens.. race change for "bis" is bad enough.
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Zastrix✭✭✭✭✭Rasande_Robin wrote: »Not only that, the Trial community will demand you change class for the "meta" at the time. So please no class change tokens.. race change for "bis" is bad enough.
What are you talking about? Don't make comments like this if you're not a part of the so-called raiding community you antagonize.
Maybe the top-top-top tier raiding scorepushing preorganized groups would require you to change your race and a HARD maybe where it would probably be *suggested* that you're a specific race, they won't care as long as you can push the needed DPS numbers (I could only think that someone SUUUUUUPPPPERR sweaty would require dark elf for the fire resistance during planesbreaker).
I've run multiple trial in both Unity and Root and nobody and I mean nobody asked you to change your race to the current meta, not even the class. The only thing they would potentially ask if that you use a specific skill for major evasion or something for survivability.
The only other scenario where they ask for someone to put something which is BiS if for support group members to put something like RoJo and Zenkosh.110-114k Stage 4 Vamprie Magblade u39
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Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Those who are burning out after exhausting all the content including endless runs of this dungeon and that trial on only a single character won't get any relief from switching that character's class. They'd be better off starting afresh with a new character, repeating content yes but content they haven't done in ages so it'll feel fresh. Starting over on a different server or account is another way of relieving the burnout. I've seen plenty of posts from players confirming that, and also expressing surprise on realising how much they missed the first time round.
Those who want class change tokens so they can change class every time an update tweaks their existing class will complain soon enough when the next change comes and they feel they have been duped into buying the class change token in the first place and will also feel they have to spend even more on another one.
Meanwhile good luck not being kicked from a group if you're not playing the FOTM class.
From a business point of view, ZOS would have to charge what those wanting class change tokens would very likely complain was an extortionate price for them in order to offset the loss in revenue from reduced character slot sales, quite apart from recovering the development costs of implementing them.
As always with such changes, such as skyshards for alts and account-wide achievements, the golden rule is to be careful what you wish for. The chances are such changes won't be implemented in the way you'd like them to be.2 -
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✭✭Instead of a class change it would be nice if you could do multiple classes on one char. Not at the same time but being able to switch between class skills. I believe Final Fantasy has such a system?1 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Instead of a class change it would be nice if you could do multiple classes on one char. Not at the same time but being able to switch between class skills. I believe Final Fantasy has such a system?
The game was designed that way, unlike ESO. I found it one of the off-putting aspects of FFXIV each time I tried to get into the game, given that you can only do quests once so if you exhaust the lowbie content playing one class and then switch to a different class you're struggling to level that class up because you've already done the lowbie quests. That at least was how I found it, maybe it's different now.0 -
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✭Class changes would cost them money.
1) People who play 1 char and refuse to have alts will be less inclined to spend money. Oh sure they're heavily invested in the game and come on the forums to complain about it, but they will spend less money.
2) People who love alts will feel devalued - no longer does have 6 alts matter when you can spend money to class change to the FOTM every 3 months.
3) Constant nerfs for the class everybody plays. Imagine how many would've changed to DK for PVP - then DK gets nerfed, a new leader emerges and lo and behold... more class switching!
There is nothing good to come from class changes for the company - it'd cost them money to do, money to setup, create bugs which need money to fix and ultimately lead players to quit, costing the money. The people who say 'breathe new life' must find the game stale and wont be spending money atm while the people who 'dont do alts' are not the ones paying for crowns to buy skill lines and other things for alts, nor are they spending time re-doing mage line or other quests nor farming transmute crystals to support the random dungeon finder. So a class change might get them a short burst of cash, but would barely cover expenses, if at all, and then cost them in the long term.
1) People who play one character are less inclined to spend money? Are you kidding me? Do you know how many houses I own and how many crown crates I've purchased? How many gems I've spent on mounts and motifs and pets? Get outta here. Changing my class with a token is not going to cease or diminish my spending on this game. Ludicrous.
2) Many people, but not all, who have several alts assign a personality or backstory to each of them that makes them unique. This is a ROLEPLAYING game; not everyone is chasing FOTM meta. Class change token does not devalue these players or their alts.
3) FOTM classes will rotate in and out via nerfs which is what happens in literally every MMO on a regular basis, and you'll have people change to the next FOTM class and people who won't. If a class becomes overpowered and gets nerfed, people need only swap to a different class by firing up an alt or purchasing another token. Nothing is stopping you from having a stable of alts like many people do already.
Options are good for people.Edited by Molydeus on December 9, 2022 3:15PM4 -
Nic727✭✭✭✭It has been asked since game launch andI have no idea why the devs are not working on that already. It could bring a lot of people back like myself.
I have a main Templar. I created an alt warden, but playing from level 1 again isn’t my thing, so I don’t really play anymore.
I also have no idea why it’s a problem for people who play multiple characters. Continue to play your 5+ characters, but let us play our one character like we want!Edited by Nic727 on December 18, 2022 9:20PM1 -
Rasande_Robin✭✭✭✭Rasande_Robin wrote: »Not only that, the Trial community will demand you change class for the "meta" at the time. So please no class change tokens.. race change for "bis" is bad enough.
What are you talking about? Don't make comments like this if you're not a part of the so-called raiding community you antagonize.
Maybe the top-top-top tier raiding scorepushing preorganized groups would require you to change your race and a HARD maybe where it would probably be *suggested* that you're a specific race, they won't care as long as you can push the needed DPS numbers (I could only think that someone SUUUUUUPPPPERR sweaty would require dark elf for the fire resistance during planesbreaker).
I've run multiple trial in both Unity and Root and nobody and I mean nobody asked you to change your race to the current meta, not even the class. The only thing they would potentially ask if that you use a specific skill for major evasion or something for survivability.
The only other scenario where they ask for someone to put something which is BiS if for support group members to put something like RoJo and Zenkosh.
I'm not talking about "your" trial community, but the people and norm in general.
Please do not add Class-Change token it will mess up more than it will fix. I don't have to explain myself.
Though they will earn a lot more money every time they use a sledge hammer on class balancing.
Just as "Looking-For-Raid" was a "good idea" it messed up the game more than it fixed.PC/EU: Orcana "something"-stone1 -
tohopka_eso✭✭✭✭Instead of a class change it would be nice if you could do multiple classes on one char. Not at the same time but being able to switch between class skills. I believe Final Fantasy has such a system?
The game was designed that way, unlike ESO. I found it one of the off-putting aspects of FFXIV each time I tried to get into the game, given that you can only do quests once so if you exhaust the lowbie content playing one class and then switch to a different class you're struggling to level that class up because you've already done the lowbie quests. That at least was how I found it, maybe it's different now.
nope its still that way. I play FFXIV every now and then so, if you switch jobs (classes) and no lowbie quests left you have to do it the old fashion way of leveling. but, also weapons are attached to the specific job unlike ESO, so if i want to be a arcane archer in ESO i can but not in FFXIV.0 -
ALAEACUS✭✭✭dinokstrunz wrote: »I see the argument of 'do not be lazy' in various forms crop up.
In my case 're-rolling' a character involves deleting a character that at the very least has all skill lines (sans antiquities and WW) and morphs levelled, all skyshards and lore books collected, all traits but nirnhoned researched, mount training done etc etc first.
There are no more slots in either account.
That has a simple answer: no u.
I'm sorry but that's just cope. It literally IS just laziness. If you don't have the desire to do what's needed to fill out a character of its skills then you're most likely not interested in playing the game in general. Don't make a new character, stick with what you have or put the effort it, it should never be any other way.
Oh shut up with this gatekeeping, No True Scotsman fallacy, crap. This problem shouldn't have existed to begin with. You're saying that people are lazy because they don't want to spend 50 - 100 hours leveling a new character they never wanted from scratch, not to mention also gearing them out because all gear you own is bound to your main character?
Your argument is basically "Players don't want to do X so they must not really care about the game in the first place." or "Only players that do X are real players, all others are lazy."
People are Meta chasers already. If Templars fall out of favor, and everyone switches to Sorc, it does NOT affect you in ANY way. Let people play the game how they want.Edited by ALAEACUS on December 18, 2022 11:52PM2 -
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