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Class Change Needs To Come Next Year
FelisCatus
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I really think if we don't get class change soon you're gonna see more people disappointed and burnt out. I know it's a heavily requested feature and something so simple (okay sure may the coding may not be) as changing your class would breathe so much life into this game again. There are many people like I, who stick with 1 character, have alts but don't enjoy using them but picked a class that we thought was cool x amount of years ago and have done so much on the character since that there is no desire to re-start. AWA did alleviate the issue but not fully. I'm sure many will disagree and I'm sure many will agree but I really think ZOS needs to add this ability. In any other elder scrolls game you can change your playstyle at will. If ZOS wants to keep classes that's fine 'cos it's an mmo but at least give people the chance to change how they play if ESO is really about "playing how you want". Dragonknight looks so dated and its playstyle for me is boring. Would also be nice if they updated the animations for all old classes. They changed the templar spear animation recently so don't see why they can't do that with older classes who really show their age.
Edited by Psiion on December 19, 2022 1:15AM 22
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cmetzger93✭✭✭✭✭Agreed. Many friends don't play because they invested so much time into one character and got burnt out on the class they picked. Lore wise it makes no sense that we can change race but not the spells we use10 -
tsaescishoeshiner✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭One reason I don't want class change tokens is that every time a class skill is changed or nerfed or buffed, the online community will start calling it a sneaky plot to sell class change tokens.PC-NA
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GetAgrippa✭✭✭✭✭
✭tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »One reason I don't want class change tokens is that every time a class skill is changed or nerfed or buffed, the online community will start calling it a sneaky plot to sell class change tokens.
Who cares. There's always outrage about everything. That's no reason not to do class change tokens. Just look at templars right now. The class is absolutely gutted. Anyone that mained a templar but wants to do a new class but doesn't want to level one, deserves the opportunity to class change, in my humble opinion.23 -
ApoAlaia✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I'd rather have class change 'shrines' thanks.
Everything is nickel and dimed, even menial things like changing hair/eye colour require a token.
The new 'harvesting' animations? Cool, that will be some extra cash, thanks; armoury slots? show me the money.
Class change should be implemented as a core feature and gold sink.20 -
Eric_Prince✭✭✭✭I'd rather have class change 'shrines' thanks.
Everything is nickel and dimed, even menial things like changing hair/eye colour require a token.
The new 'harvesting' animations? Cool, that will be some extra cash, thanks; armoury slots? show me the money.
Class change should be implemented as a core feature and gold sink.
Sounds good, but will never happen. Let's try to stay real here
To be the Chosen One really sounds like lots of fun,
But in the end you'll just be someone's lunch (c)5 -
sarahthes✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I think if it does get implemented it needs to cost more than a new character slot.0 -
RedBranch✭✭✭Agreed. Whoever doesn’t think it’s necessary, I encourage you to not buy one. We have our reasons! It’s the number one feature I’d like to see added.7 -
dinokstrunz✭✭✭✭✭
✭No it isn't the reason, people are burnt out because there's literally nothing to do this year, the game is a cluster mess right now. If you want class change just go play some other game, we need real content and upgraded features not more monetization hazards...
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FelisCatus✭✭✭✭✭dinokstrunz wrote: »No it isn't the reason, people are burnt out because there's literally nothing to do this year, the game is a cluster mess right now. If you want class change just go play some other game, we need real content and upgraded features not more monetization hazards...
Don't like it don't buy it?9 -
dinokstrunz✭✭✭✭✭
✭FelisCatus wrote: »dinokstrunz wrote: »No it isn't the reason, people are burnt out because there's literally nothing to do this year, the game is a cluster mess right now. If you want class change just go play some other game, we need real content and upgraded features not more monetization hazards...
Don't like it don't buy it?
Or just stop being lazy?6 -
Vulkunne✭✭✭✭✭
✭Class change Token please
They'll make great stocking stuffers."Today Victory is mine. Long Live the Empire." - Grand Admiral Vulkunne3 -
Vulkunne✭✭✭✭✭
✭dinokstrunz wrote: »FelisCatus wrote: »dinokstrunz wrote: »No it isn't the reason, people are burnt out because there's literally nothing to do this year, the game is a cluster mess right now. If you want class change just go play some other game, we need real content and upgraded features not more monetization hazards...
Don't like it don't buy it?
Or just stop being lazy?
I have no desire to spend enormous amounts of time over the holidays rerolling a new character. Its an option yes but this is about re-specification not necessarily ease of access. Like them ability/skill scrolls. Respec not restart."Today Victory is mine. Long Live the Empire." - Grand Admiral Vulkunne7 -
bmnoble✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Don't see why they would to be honest.
You all say it would be a great way for them to make money but is it really more than they can make off of all the various skill lines and sky shard unlocks already available in the crown store, that are already targeted at the same players, that would want a class change token?7 -
Vulkunne✭✭✭✭✭
✭Don't see why they would to be honest.
You all say it would be a great way for them to make money but is it really more than they can make off of all the various skill lines and sky shard unlocks already available in the crown store, that are already targeted at the same players, that would want a class change token?
And that's the problem. They have everything except this available to us. Why is this not an option and everything else is? Its a problem that created itself.Edited by Vulkunne on December 6, 2022 12:39AM"Today Victory is mine. Long Live the Empire." - Grand Admiral Vulkunne6 -
tonyblack✭✭✭✭✭If it’s free base game addition (for gold or other in game currency), then fine, if it’s another cash grab, what’s the point? You can already level in no time and upgrade your alts with just about anything through crown store (skyshards, skill lines, mount training, research, etc). Seems like a lost of opportunities to monetize on many things for ZOS and less longevity for players who instead of playing through several characters just do all they want on 1 and quit out of boredom.2 -
ApoAlaia✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I see the argument of 'do not be lazy' in various forms crop up.
In my case 're-rolling' a character involves deleting a character that at the very least has all skill lines (sans antiquities and WW) and morphs levelled, all skyshards and lore books collected, all traits but nirnhoned researched, mount training done etc etc first.
There are no more slots in either account.
That has a simple answer: no u.5 -
dinokstrunz✭✭✭✭✭
✭I see the argument of 'do not be lazy' in various forms crop up.
In my case 're-rolling' a character involves deleting a character that at the very least has all skill lines (sans antiquities and WW) and morphs levelled, all skyshards and lore books collected, all traits but nirnhoned researched, mount training done etc etc first.
There are no more slots in either account.
That has a simple answer: no u.
I'm sorry but that's just cope. It literally IS just laziness. If you don't have the desire to do what's needed to fill out a character of its skills then you're most likely not interested in playing the game in general. Don't make a new character, stick with what you have or put the effort it, it should never be any other way.4 -
bmnoble✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Don't see why they would to be honest.
You all say it would be a great way for them to make money but is it really more than they can make off of all the various skill lines and sky shard unlocks already available in the crown store, that are already targeted at the same players, that would want a class change token?
And that's the problem. They have everything except this available to us. Why is this not an option and everything else is? Its a problem that created itself.
Because for those in a rush who are the target audience, would spend less money using the class change token then using all those various other cash shop options to get a new character ready quickly, that is my theory at least.
Lets say they add a class change token, based on the way the other skill lines work, I would not put it past them, to require you to level up one of each class to level 50 to unlock changing to that class.
Would not surprise me if the class change token would do only that change your class and reset the 3 class skill lines back to 1 and require levelling them from scratch, even if you switched back to your old class.
I would fully expect them to use such methods to push people to make a new character instead.1 -
DreamyLu✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm against it. For me, a toon has a "personality" and his/her class is part of it (as well as the full associated set up): New class = new toon.
I would prefer a "booster to max level" token like in GW2, purchasable in store, allowing that you don't need to redo the whole levelling up just to have a new class.
I'm out of my mind, feel free to leave a message... PC/NA2 -
Molydeus✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm all for it. I am not an altaholic, never have been in any MMO I've played, and I have played many. I have one character that I do literally everything on. I've often wanted to swap classes, but I'm so invested in my character that I'm just never going to level up another one and go through all the same content again. I'd purchase a class change token in a heartbeat though.3 -
ApoAlaia✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭dinokstrunz wrote: »I see the argument of 'do not be lazy' in various forms crop up.
In my case 're-rolling' a character involves deleting a character that at the very least has all skill lines (sans antiquities and WW) and morphs levelled, all skyshards and lore books collected, all traits but nirnhoned researched, mount training done etc etc first.
There are no more slots in either account.
That has a simple answer: no u.
I'm sorry but that's just cope. It literally IS just laziness. If you don't have the desire to do what's needed to fill out a character of its skills then you're most likely not interested in playing the game in general. Don't make a new character, stick with what you have or put the effort it, it should never be any other way.
We will have to agree to disagree here.
If there wasn't a cash shop maybe that argument would hold? Still not sure if is reasonable to ask someone to delete 8 months to a year of 'work' as you put it through no fault of their own; I really dislike what they did to templar in U35 and I will like to replace my 6 templars with a class that I don't dislike - but still, that is irrelevant because a 'class change token' already exists.
I could buy skill lines, horse training, skyshards, research scrolls, whathaveyou and skip the 'work'.
So you are not saying 'don't be lazy', you are saying 'don't be poor'.4 -
Faulgor✭✭✭✭✭
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Class change quests would be fun.I'd rather have class change 'shrines' thanks.
Everything is nickel and dimed, even menial things like changing hair/eye colour require a token.
The new 'harvesting' animations? Cool, that will be some extra cash, thanks; armoury slots? show me the money.
Class change should be implemented as a core feature and gold sink.
To be honest, there should be something like Templar/NIghtblade/Sorcerer etc. guilds in the game. Classes also feel so lackluster because they have absolutely no visible relation to the rest of the world.
What has laziness got to do with this? I would literally have 30+ max level characters if that was an option, but 18 has been the max for years. There is literally no bloody way to "put the effort in" to magically make more character slots appear. Asking people to delete their characters to roll with new class changes is absolutely daft.dinokstrunz wrote: »I see the argument of 'do not be lazy' in various forms crop up.
In my case 're-rolling' a character involves deleting a character that at the very least has all skill lines (sans antiquities and WW) and morphs levelled, all skyshards and lore books collected, all traits but nirnhoned researched, mount training done etc etc first.
There are no more slots in either account.
That has a simple answer: no u.
I'm sorry but that's just cope. It literally IS just laziness. If you don't have the desire to do what's needed to fill out a character of its skills then you're most likely not interested in playing the game in general. Don't make a new character, stick with what you have or put the effort it, it should never be any other way.Edited by Faulgor on December 6, 2022 10:22AMAlandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.5 -
dmnqwk✭✭✭✭✭Class changes would cost them money.
1) People who play 1 char and refuse to have alts will be less inclined to spend money. Oh sure they're heavily invested in the game and come on the forums to complain about it, but they will spend less money.
2) People who love alts will feel devalued - no longer does have 6 alts matter when you can spend money to class change to the FOTM every 3 months.
3) Constant nerfs for the class everybody plays. Imagine how many would've changed to DK for PVP - then DK gets nerfed, a new leader emerges and lo and behold... more class switching!
There is nothing good to come from class changes for the company - it'd cost them money to do, money to setup, create bugs which need money to fix and ultimately lead players to quit, costing the money. The people who say 'breathe new life' must find the game stale and wont be spending money atm while the people who 'dont do alts' are not the ones paying for crowns to buy skill lines and other things for alts, nor are they spending time re-doing mage line or other quests nor farming transmute crystals to support the random dungeon finder. So a class change might get them a short burst of cash, but would barely cover expenses, if at all, and then cost them in the long term.5 -
FelisCatus✭✭✭✭✭Class changes would cost them money.
1) People who play 1 char and refuse to have alts will be less inclined to spend money. Oh sure they're heavily invested in the game and come on the forums to complain about it, but they will spend less money.
2) People who love alts will feel devalued - no longer does have 6 alts matter when you can spend money to class change to the FOTM every 3 months.
3) Constant nerfs for the class everybody plays. Imagine how many would've changed to DK for PVP - then DK gets nerfed, a new leader emerges and lo and behold... more class switching!
There is nothing good to come from class changes for the company - it'd cost them money to do, money to setup, create bugs which need money to fix and ultimately lead players to quit, costing the money. The people who say 'breathe new life' must find the game stale and wont be spending money atm while the people who 'dont do alts' are not the ones paying for crowns to buy skill lines and other things for alts, nor are they spending time re-doing mage line or other quests nor farming transmute crystals to support the random dungeon finder. So a class change might get them a short burst of cash, but would barely cover expenses, if at all, and then cost them in the long term.
I don't agree
1) I play 1 character and buy many houses that cost crowns and playing 1 character does not stop me from spending my money on the game. I also own all DLC and chapters. Did playing 1 character block me from opening my wallet?
2) You could argue that people only use alts for crafting writ dailies and you could also argue that the armoury system has decreased the need for more than 6 alts. Why make a new healer alt when you can just use armoury to change your cp and skills super fast?
3) This happens now even without a class change token. ZOS is constantly reshuffling and rebalancing so class change token or not it would happen anyway. If it lead to more people buying class change tokens why is that an issue? It would by your logic then make people spend more money on the game with 1 character because they are changing class so often. You kind of contradict your first point. If people want to change class why is that an issue? If ZOS hypothetically wants to nerf NB into the ground and buff the hell out of Sorc. They'll do that anyway and you don't see people rolling new alts just to play Sorc because NB got nerfed.
There is lots of good to come from class change tokens. It would make the company a lot of money, it would give players more freedom to "play how you want" which is now a marketing staple of ZOS's casual friendly game design and vision. I still spend money because I enjoy other aspects of the game but I've done all quests. All that's left for me is PvP (however performance is too bad) housing or the card game really and maybe just filling out a stickerbook. I don't get any joy out of playing DK anymore. Did you get outraged when they added a new Necro/Warden and many people switched to that class? I assume not. So why is wanting to switch to a pre-existing class so radical and frowned upon?3 -
FelisCatus✭✭✭✭✭dinokstrunz wrote: »FelisCatus wrote: »dinokstrunz wrote: »No it isn't the reason, people are burnt out because there's literally nothing to do this year, the game is a cluster mess right now. If you want class change just go play some other game, we need real content and upgraded features not more monetization hazards...
Don't like it don't buy it?
Or just stop being lazy?
I have all my alts levelled to 50 and have gear farmed for them yet I don't enjoy playing them. All of my story and progression is on my main. My main is my avatar, my version of me. The one I roleplay as and I have a special connection to him as I've played as him for countless years.
If this game had a FF14 class change system where you could change class at will but you had to level up the new class's skill lines. I'd do that. I just don't want to repeat all quests again to get skill points find all sky shards again and mages guild books or other lore books again. Levelling a character is easy it's the rest that is painful. So it's not about being lazy it's about trying to retain one's sanity.Edited by FelisCatus on December 6, 2022 11:31AM6 -
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✭✭What has laziness got to do with this? I would literally have 30+ max level characters if that was an option, but 18 has been the max for years. There is literally no bloody way to "put the effort in" to magically make more character slots appear. Asking people to delete their characters to roll with new class changes is absolutely daft.[/quote]
I would agree with you if they had just released a brand new class and said the only way to use them was for us to delete one of are existing characters but each time they have released a new class they have provided new character slots.
If you haven't made use of those slots it becomes a problem of the individual's own making, from memory, your given 8 character slots by default and 1 that comes with the cat land chapter and another 9 you can buy. If you use up every single character slot without creating at least one of each class at that point you have no one else to blame for the situation you find yourself in.
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ApoAlaia✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭What has laziness got to do with this? I would literally have 30+ max level characters if that was an option, but 18 has been the max for years. There is literally no bloody way to "put the effort in" to magically make more character slots appear. Asking people to delete their characters to roll with new class changes is absolutely daft.
I would agree with you if they had just released a brand new class and said the only way to use them was for us to delete one of are existing characters but each time they have released a new class they have provided new character slots.
If you haven't made use of those slots it becomes a problem of the individual's own making, from memory, your given 8 character slots by default and 1 that comes with the cat land chapter and another 9 you can buy. If you use up every single character slot without creating at least one of each class at that point you have no one else to blame for the situation you find yourself in.
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I have 6 of each class (3 on each account).
I just don't have the kind of foresight required to anticipate what kind of changes ZOS is going to make every 3 months and how unpalatable this might turn out for me.
Hence wanting the ability to switch classes as I switch skills or attributes.
I don't have, and never will, any control over what they choose to do but I would like some more flexibility to adapt given the fact that the existing method (deleting a character, creating a new one and purchasing everything required from the cash shop) is beyond my means and spending 8-10 months to bring the character up to speed (as in, with the same qualities as the one I just deleted) is impractical.1 -
ramdrop✭✭✭I think the majority of players are bored levelling new characters as they have no reason to do so (nice account wide achievements).
Maybe this was the plan all along??Edited by ramdrop on December 6, 2022 1:33PM1 -
Holycannoli✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »One reason I don't want class change tokens is that every time a class skill is changed or nerfed or buffed, the online community will start calling it a sneaky plot to sell class change tokens.
Changing classes without offering a class change token can be called a sneaky plot to get people to purchase more character slots.
I think a class change token will sell well.1
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