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✭✭✭✭✭Know GMT, this one don't know UTC sounds Argonian?Grinding just make you go in circles.
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BretonMage✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If you can calculate the time difference for UTC, then surely you can do so for EST? I have never used UTC myself, and usually just calculate the local time for whomever I'm dealing with at the time.2 -
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✭✭✭NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »It surprises me so many here don't know what UTC is. No it's not an "European thing" nor is it an European standard, it's an international thing which stands for Coordinated Universal Time and is the primary time standard which the world regulates clocks and time to. It's global.
EST/EDT and other local times across the world still follow it. Like EST is UTC-5 and PT is UTC-8, it's not like the US have their own version of timelines that doesn't follow the rest of the world.
And many of us know how large the US is, same with a lot of other places which are just as large. You don't have to bring it up so often, we had geography, and it's not the point here anyway.
UTC is just simple and convenient for something that is global and leaves no worries about daytimes saving some place may or may not have. Most mmos use it or at least mentions it along with some other time they are familiar with. It surprises me ESO so rarely does. Both EST and UTC can be mentioned.
If it stands for Coordinated Universal Time, then why is it UTC instead of CUT? 😁1 -
the1andonlyskwex✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Elvenheart wrote: »NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »It surprises me so many here don't know what UTC is. No it's not an "European thing" nor is it an European standard, it's an international thing which stands for Coordinated Universal Time and is the primary time standard which the world regulates clocks and time to. It's global.
EST/EDT and other local times across the world still follow it. Like EST is UTC-5 and PT is UTC-8, it's not like the US have their own version of timelines that doesn't follow the rest of the world.
And many of us know how large the US is, same with a lot of other places which are just as large. You don't have to bring it up so often, we had geography, and it's not the point here anyway.
UTC is just simple and convenient for something that is global and leaves no worries about daytimes saving some place may or may not have. Most mmos use it or at least mentions it along with some other time they are familiar with. It surprises me ESO so rarely does. Both EST and UTC can be mentioned.
If it stands for Coordinated Universal Time, then why is it UTC instead of CUT? 😁
I think it's a weird compromise between the French and English letter ordering where nobody got their first choice.2 -
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✭✭✭✭As a quick aside the USA isn't north of the arctic circle. With the exception of Alaska the northern border of the US is basically in line with central France. From what I can tell the d in EDT is referring to when the eastern time zone in the US enters daylight savings and each timezone in the US has its own equivalent.
Fun fact, this is true except for the state of Arizona. They permanently go by standard time and do not observe daylight savings. We're weird here in the states.
Another fun fact:
Some of the Native American reservations in Arizona don’t do DST, I can’t remember if it’s the Navajo or Hopi who don’t.
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✭✭✭BretonMage wrote: »If you can calculate the time difference for UTC, then surely you can do so for EST? I have never used UTC myself, and usually just calculate the local time for whomever I'm dealing with at the time.
I don't need to calculate the time difference to UTC, I know it. That's the whole point of it. If ZOS posts a start date in UTC, I know when that is.
The only time I ever have to deal with Eastern Time at the moment, is when ZOS for some reason can't be a**ed. It happens rarely enough that I don't remember, so I have to look it up every time.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭BretonMage wrote: »If you can calculate the time difference for UTC, then surely you can do so for EST? I have never used UTC myself, and usually just calculate the local time for whomever I'm dealing with at the time.
I don't need to calculate the time difference to UTC, I know it. That's the whole point of it. If ZOS posts a start date in UTC, I know when that is.
The only time I ever have to deal with Eastern Time at the moment, is when ZOS for some reason can't be a**ed. It happens rarely enough that I don't remember, so I have to look it up every time.
I mean you don't need to calculate it, but I would. Because I, like the vast majority of Americans, do not have UTC memorized. There's no timezones they could pick that this wouldn't be true for someone. None at all. Someone will always have to do so. ZOS picked their own HQ timezones, which makes perfect sense, since it's their game.Edited by spartaxoxo on November 18, 2022 3:53PM5 -
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✭BretonMage wrote: »If you can calculate the time difference for UTC, then surely you can do so for EST? I have never used UTC myself, and usually just calculate the local time for whomever I'm dealing with at the time.
UTC is fixed, ZOS time is not. It is hard to remember how much should I add or subtract this or that month (or even this or that day).The Three Storm Sharks, episode 8 released on january the 8th.
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✭✭✭✭✭BretonMage wrote: »If you can calculate the time difference for UTC, then surely you can do so for EST? I have never used UTC myself, and usually just calculate the local time for whomever I'm dealing with at the time.
UTC is fixed, ZOS time is not. It is hard to remember how much should I add or subtract this or that month (or even this or that day).
If you Google "what's X time in Y time zone" it will be the first result and always do the conversion for you. I don't memorize timezones that I don't come across often, and pay zero attention to if they fluctuate.
Edited by spartaxoxo on November 18, 2022 3:59PM0 -
tohopka_eso✭✭✭✭It's the same with measurements also. I have to use both metric and standard but when I'm conversing with a shop employee they give me a strange look when I use metric.
Most don't know or want to be troubled with the different convergence of degrees, measurements or time of day.0 -
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✭spartaxoxo wrote: »BretonMage wrote: »If you can calculate the time difference for UTC, then surely you can do so for EST? I have never used UTC myself, and usually just calculate the local time for whomever I'm dealing with at the time.
UTC is fixed, ZOS time is not. It is hard to remember how much should I add or subtract this or that month (or even this or that day).
If you Google "what's X time in Y time zone" it will be the first result and always do the conversion for you. I don't memorize timezones that I don't come across often, and pay zero attention to if they fluctuate.
I have worldtimebuddy in favorites for years, but for UTC I need just a second to know the difference. I even had EDT or EST saved there, but yesterday when checking the start time of the event I got "it is not applicable anymore" and it was removed. Well...
The Three Storm Sharks, episode 8 released on january the 8th.
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spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »BretonMage wrote: »If you can calculate the time difference for UTC, then surely you can do so for EST? I have never used UTC myself, and usually just calculate the local time for whomever I'm dealing with at the time.
UTC is fixed, ZOS time is not. It is hard to remember how much should I add or subtract this or that month (or even this or that day).
If you Google "what's X time in Y time zone" it will be the first result and always do the conversion for you. I don't memorize timezones that I don't come across often, and pay zero attention to if they fluctuate.
I have worldtimebuddy in favorites for years, but for UTC I need just a second to know the difference. I even had EDT or EST saved there, but yesterday when checking the start time of the event I got "it is not applicable anymore" and it was removed. Well...
Not gonna lie that's kind of weird that they removed it. New York City is in the Eastern Time Zone, you'd think one of the biggest business cities in the US would generally be present on even the most sparse time conversion sites.0 -
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✭As someone on GMT, I generally argue against using specific named timezones for international scheduling purposes. UTC is universal by definition. But I also understand why EST/EDT and CET/CEST are used because those locations are where the main teams are located (the main ZOS team being in Maryland and the EU server team being in Germany).
There are occasions where only EST/EDT is covered -- especially ironic when they're only doing server maintenance on, for example, PC-EU.
I doubt anything will change, nor do I see a specific need for it to change as long as both sides are covered?
The only way things could be better is if times (e.g. in the announcements or on their news articles) were converted to local time, but Vanilla does not support timestamp tags in the same way that Discord does (and the <t:?:?> tag is a relatively new addition), for example, and their News/main site would likely require more scripting for, honestly, no gain on their part.
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✭spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »BretonMage wrote: »If you can calculate the time difference for UTC, then surely you can do so for EST? I have never used UTC myself, and usually just calculate the local time for whomever I'm dealing with at the time.
UTC is fixed, ZOS time is not. It is hard to remember how much should I add or subtract this or that month (or even this or that day).
If you Google "what's X time in Y time zone" it will be the first result and always do the conversion for you. I don't memorize timezones that I don't come across often, and pay zero attention to if they fluctuate.
I have worldtimebuddy in favorites for years, but for UTC I need just a second to know the difference. I even had EDT or EST saved there, but yesterday when checking the start time of the event I got "it is not applicable anymore" and it was removed. Well...
Not gonna lie that's kind of weird that they removed it. New York City is in the Eastern Time Zone, you'd think one of the biggest business cities in the US would generally be present on even the most sparse time conversion sites.
I think it was summer time that was removed.The Three Storm Sharks, episode 8 released on january the 8th.
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One mer to bring them all
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Google generally uses geolocation based on your IP address. Which is a problem if you have an ISP located outside your own country, state, etc. as often the IP addresses will be for the country/state the ISP is headquartered in. For example, years ago when I had satellite internet, my IP address was from the Czech Republic instead of my own country (not Czech), which also required me to use various workarounds and VPNs at the time just to use Google since you couldn't simply select your language.spartaxoxo wrote: »BretonMage wrote: »If you can calculate the time difference for UTC, then surely you can do so for EST? I have never used UTC myself, and usually just calculate the local time for whomever I'm dealing with at the time.
UTC is fixed, ZOS time is not. It is hard to remember how much should I add or subtract this or that month (or even this or that day).
If you Google "what's X time in Y time zone" it will be the first result and always do the conversion for you. I don't memorize timezones that I don't come across often, and pay zero attention to if they fluctuate.
Just as a sidenote that this might not work for everyone, for a whole host of reasons.
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Google generally uses geolocation based on your IP address. Which is a problem if you have an ISP located outside your own country, state, etc. as often the IP addresses will be for the country/state the ISP is headquartered in. For example, years ago when I had satellite internet, my IP address was from the Czech Republic instead of my own country (not Czech), which also required me to use various workarounds and VPNs at the time just to use Google since you couldn't simply select your language.spartaxoxo wrote: »BretonMage wrote: »If you can calculate the time difference for UTC, then surely you can do so for EST? I have never used UTC myself, and usually just calculate the local time for whomever I'm dealing with at the time.
UTC is fixed, ZOS time is not. It is hard to remember how much should I add or subtract this or that month (or even this or that day).
If you Google "what's X time in Y time zone" it will be the first result and always do the conversion for you. I don't memorize timezones that I don't come across often, and pay zero attention to if they fluctuate.
Just as a sidenote that this might not work for everyone, for a whole host of reasons.
Ah. I see. Google will also convert x time to y time without needing to be in that time zone.
Perhaps some people will still have a hard time with it and need specific workarounds, but generally speaking I've found their time conversion tool works well for my purposes.Edited by spartaxoxo on November 18, 2022 4:31PM0 -
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Google generally uses geolocation based on your IP address. Which is a problem if you have an ISP located outside your own country, state, etc. as often the IP addresses will be for the country/state the ISP is headquartered in. For example, years ago when I had satellite internet, my IP address was from the Czech Republic instead of my own country (not Czech), which also required me to use various workarounds and VPNs at the time just to use Google since you couldn't simply select your language.spartaxoxo wrote: »BretonMage wrote: »If you can calculate the time difference for UTC, then surely you can do so for EST? I have never used UTC myself, and usually just calculate the local time for whomever I'm dealing with at the time.
UTC is fixed, ZOS time is not. It is hard to remember how much should I add or subtract this or that month (or even this or that day).
If you Google "what's X time in Y time zone" it will be the first result and always do the conversion for you. I don't memorize timezones that I don't come across often, and pay zero attention to if they fluctuate.
Just as a sidenote that this might not work for everyone, for a whole host of reasons.
Heh. As a current satellite user (only "broadband" I can get where I live) I actually laugh quite a bit at all the different towns in 5 or 6 states google thinks I live in. Truly amusing - but then I have a very odd sense of humor.______________________________________________________
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wenchmore420b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Just as a FYI concerning DST in the U.S., it is going away next year and no more of the "seasonal time changes".
As far as GMT, no, not everyone uses or even knows what it is. I only am familiar with it from my years as an astrologer.
As ZOS is a American company and based in EST, I have no problems with them using that.Drakon Koryn~Oryndill, Rogue~Mage,- CP ~Doesn't matter any more
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NotaDaedraWorshipper✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »BretonMage wrote: »If you can calculate the time difference for UTC, then surely you can do so for EST? I have never used UTC myself, and usually just calculate the local time for whomever I'm dealing with at the time.
I don't need to calculate the time difference to UTC, I know it. That's the whole point of it. If ZOS posts a start date in UTC, I know when that is.
The only time I ever have to deal with Eastern Time at the moment, is when ZOS for some reason can't be a**ed. It happens rarely enough that I don't remember, so I have to look it up every time.
I mean you don't need to calculate it, but I would. Because I, like the vast majority of Americans, do not have UTC memorized. There's no timezones they could pick that this wouldn't be true for someone. None at all. Someone will always have to do so. ZOS picked their own HQ timezones, which makes perfect sense, since it's their game.
Why? Most of us is telling them to show both. There would be no difference for you because yours would still be there as well, but a lot more helpful to people not part of the US.[Lie] Of course! I don't even worship Daedra!2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »Just as a FYI concerning DST in the U.S., it is going away next year and no more of the "seasonal time changes".
As far as GMT, no, not everyone uses or even knows what it is. I only am familiar with it from my years as an astrologer.
As ZOS is a American company and based in EST, I have no problems with them using that.
That bill actually stalled out in the House and is going nowhere, so we will still be having seasonal time changes.4 -
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✭Lets be clear:
UTC is not a timezone. UTC is a time standard. It's fixed. It's unchanging. That's the entire point. And it's used globally in all fields where time matters that don't have some unique historically grown specific time like astronomy.
It's cool that this is an American game with American timezones and that you don't know UTC. Most of us aren't American, and nobody is saying they should stop posting EST/EDT. For everyone not American, a UTC time offset is a very straightforward and easily provided courtesy that many services in the world offer for very good reason.
Nobody expects you to know UTC. But please, don't ask the rest of us to memorize American timezones and varying summer time rules. You're not loosing anything if a UTC offset is added, but the rest of us gain convenience at next to zero-effort from ZOS.6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »Just as a FYI concerning DST in the U.S., it is going away next year and no more of the "seasonal time changes".
As far as GMT, no, not everyone uses or even knows what it is. I only am familiar with it from my years as an astrologer.
As ZOS is a American company and based in EST, I have no problems with them using that.
That bill actually stalled out in the House and is going nowhere, so we will still be having seasonal time changes.
Thankfully. My body does NOT like DST, and the fact they were apparently intending DST to become Standard Time instead of returning to "normal" standard time was very upsetting to me. And in fact, if they eventually go that way, I will simply reframe my life to continue on standard time. Just have to remember for things like appointments.______________________________________________________
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✭✭✭✭✭"UTC is not a time zone, but a time standard that is the basis for civil time and time zones worldwide. This means that no country or territory officially uses UTC as a local time." This is from a time and date site displaying the world clock.
And as others have pointed out fun facts I have one. The first time zones were created by railroads in US and Canada so they could make route schedules consistent.
Again what they use doesn't matter so long as they stick to it consistently.
If you live outside the GMT time zone you do calculate the difference in your time zone and UTC. You may have memorized how much to add or subtract but there is still that simple calculation that needs done.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."0 -
Kappachi✭✭✭✭TL;DR either way there's a timezone conversion, just look up your time in relation to ET, no different than you looking up your time in relation to UTC. Plus, on the forums they post the times in ET and UTC for maintenance, since the game creators are in ET time zone it makes infinitely more sense for them to just base everything off ET especially since one of their major servers are in that region.0 -
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✭✭✭wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »Just as a FYI concerning DST in the U.S., it is going away next year and no more of the "seasonal time changes".
As far as GMT, no, not everyone uses or even knows what it is. I only am familiar with it from my years as an astrologer.
As ZOS is a American company and based in EST, I have no problems with them using that.
That bill actually stalled out in the House and is going nowhere, so we will still be having seasonal time changes.
Ahhh, didn't know that. Thank You for update.
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✭✭✭✭✭Lets be clear:
UTC is not a timezone. UTC is a time standard. It's fixed. It's unchanging. That's the entire point. And it's used globally in all fields where time matters that don't have some unique historically grown specific time like astronomy.
It's cool that this is an American game with American timezones and that you don't know UTC. Most of us aren't American, and nobody is saying they should stop posting EST/EDT. For everyone not American, a UTC time offset is a very straightforward and easily provided courtesy that many services in the world offer for very good reason.
Nobody expects you to know UTC. But please, don't ask the rest of us to memorize American timezones and varying summer time rules. You're not loosing anything if a UTC offset is added, but the rest of us gain convenience at next to zero-effort from ZOS.
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✭✭✭✭✭NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »BretonMage wrote: »If you can calculate the time difference for UTC, then surely you can do so for EST? I have never used UTC myself, and usually just calculate the local time for whomever I'm dealing with at the time.
I don't need to calculate the time difference to UTC, I know it. That's the whole point of it. If ZOS posts a start date in UTC, I know when that is.
The only time I ever have to deal with Eastern Time at the moment, is when ZOS for some reason can't be a**ed. It happens rarely enough that I don't remember, so I have to look it up every time.
I mean you don't need to calculate it, but I would. Because I, like the vast majority of Americans, do not have UTC memorized. There's no timezones they could pick that this wouldn't be true for someone. None at all. Someone will always have to do so. ZOS picked their own HQ timezones, which makes perfect sense, since it's their game.
Why? Most of us is telling them to show both. There would be no difference for you because yours would still be there as well, but a lot more helpful to people not part of the US.
Because they probably aren't going to put in every time zone, and this is a globally available game. Even if they put in both EST and UTC there would be people who'd need to convert such as all the players in the Pacific time zone.
I wasn't saying that I'd be against them listing both. But some seemed to be under the impression that everyone knows UTC or that there is a timezone they could pick where people didn't need to convert. So, I pointed out that there is not a timezone they could pick that would cover all players.
For the record, I wouldn't be against listing it in UTC in addition to ET. But I wouldn't want it to replace UTC for the same reasons OP doesn't want them to list it in ET. It's nice when stuff is your own timezone and you don't have to Google it. That said, I wouldn't be mad if they changed it either. It's not a big deal.Edited by spartaxoxo on November 19, 2022 12:25AM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »BretonMage wrote: »If you can calculate the time difference for UTC, then surely you can do so for EST? I have never used UTC myself, and usually just calculate the local time for whomever I'm dealing with at the time.
I don't need to calculate the time difference to UTC, I know it. That's the whole point of it. If ZOS posts a start date in UTC, I know when that is.
The only time I ever have to deal with Eastern Time at the moment, is when ZOS for some reason can't be a**ed. It happens rarely enough that I don't remember, so I have to look it up every time.
I mean you don't need to calculate it, but I would. Because I, like the vast majority of Americans, do not have UTC memorized. There's no timezones they could pick that this wouldn't be true for someone. None at all. Someone will always have to do so. ZOS picked their own HQ timezones, which makes perfect sense, since it's their game.
Why? Most of us is telling them to show both. There would be no difference for you because yours would still be there as well, but a lot more helpful to people not part of the US.
Because they probably aren't going to put in every time zone, and this is a globally available game. Even if they put in both EST and UTC there would be people who'd need to convert such as all the players in the Pacific time zone.
I wasn't saying that I'd be against them listing both. But some seemed to be under the impression that everyone knows UTC or that there is a timezone they could pick where people didn't need to convert. So, I pointed out that there is not a timezone they could pick that would cover all players.
No one said anything about every timezone, though. Just that they say UTC along with the usual EST/EDT. Yes, UTC will be used to convert to people's local time, but it is far more useful and easier for that than EST/EDT is for the rest of the world.[Lie] Of course! I don't even worship Daedra!4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »BretonMage wrote: »If you can calculate the time difference for UTC, then surely you can do so for EST? I have never used UTC myself, and usually just calculate the local time for whomever I'm dealing with at the time.
I don't need to calculate the time difference to UTC, I know it. That's the whole point of it. If ZOS posts a start date in UTC, I know when that is.
The only time I ever have to deal with Eastern Time at the moment, is when ZOS for some reason can't be a**ed. It happens rarely enough that I don't remember, so I have to look it up every time.
I mean you don't need to calculate it, but I would. Because I, like the vast majority of Americans, do not have UTC memorized. There's no timezones they could pick that this wouldn't be true for someone. None at all. Someone will always have to do so. ZOS picked their own HQ timezones, which makes perfect sense, since it's their game.
Why? Most of us is telling them to show both. There would be no difference for you because yours would still be there as well, but a lot more helpful to people not part of the US.
Because they probably aren't going to put in every time zone, and this is a globally available game. Even if they put in both EST and UTC there would be people who'd need to convert such as all the players in the Pacific time zone.
I wasn't saying that I'd be against them listing both. But some seemed to be under the impression that everyone knows UTC or that there is a timezone they could pick where people didn't need to convert. So, I pointed out that there is not a timezone they could pick that would cover all players.
No one said anything about every timezone, though. Just that they say UTC along with the usual EST/EDT. Yes, UTC will be used to convert to people's local time, but it is far more useful and easier for that than EST/EDT is for the rest of the world.
I didn't say they did. That's a strawman.
Someone responded that "everyone" knows UTC. And I saw another that implied that they shouldn't have to convert timezones.
I stated that the only way ZoS can achieve nobody having to convert time zones is to list them all.
And that's a true statement. Anything beyond that is an inference about something that I have not stated. Again, I wouldn't be against them listing UTC in addition to ESTEdited by spartaxoxo on November 19, 2022 12:58AM3
